Is Freddles a faithful husband?

[Royal Me!]

Fred fears Mary telling all?
I think Mary should not underestimate Fred.
He's got the real version of their Slip Inn meeting.
When it comes out, it'l probably be wrapped in brown paper and definitely not a fairytale.

[divinemiss]

yes he has cheated, yes Mary knows and no she hasn't forgiven him.

why would you state publicly at the beginning of an engagement/marriage that you won't tolerate infidelity unless you're pretty sure the buggers being playing hide the salami in different sandwiches?

[Kuei Fei]

Fred fears Mary telling all?
I think Mary should not underestimate Fred.
He's got the real version of their Slip Inn meeting.
When it comes out, it'l probably be wrapped in brown paper and definitely not a fairytale.

I sometimes don't think Mary quite understands just who she is dealing with when she thinks to challenge her husband about anyhting. On these forums and in public, we see a lot of the benign nature of royalty, the posh life, the ditzy smiles, the silly uniforms and hats, but we all to rarely see the other side, the ruthless nature of these people. They didn't get to the top via smiling and being stupid, they got to the top via being ruthless killers who almost enjoy pulling the trigger. Fred isn't stupid and he isn't entirely ignorant of how to defend himself if ever the time should come. He knows more about her than she possibly could about him and living with a prince, especially one in line to inherit, is never really a picnic.

[Snow Queen]

Mary should never challenge Fred because he is a Prince? That would be a very miserable and unequal relationship. She should be respectful of his position, especially in public, but in their private life it's unrealistic  to expect her to tip-toe around him and be submissive to his every want & need just because he's a prince. He's spoiled and lazy as it is, that would create an even bigger monster. He may have met "Mary Donaldson" but he married her and turned her into "Crown Princess Mary". No one forced him to do that, he made that choice all on his own. But to answer the question, I believe they have an open marriage. Mary accepts it because she's greedy and wants to keep her position but she's miserable. Fred and Mary are two peas in a miserable rotting pod.  

[just a serf]

By marrying in she agreed to have an unequal relationship. Mary's role is to give birth to the heirs. She could be divorced tomorrow and everything could continue as before.

[Cloaked]

By marrying in she agreed to have an unequal relationship. Mary's role is to give birth to the heirs. She could be divorced tomorrow and everything could continue as before.

I think that by having a very public and religious wedding, Mary and Fred agreed to a marriage of equal respect.
They both would expect support for their own roles within that frame work of mutual respect but never-the-less they married in the sight of God and to consider unfaithfulness or an open marriage would make a mockery of the marriage.  
People change and relationships have to adapt and cope with hardships of every unforeseen kind.  Couples need to keep their marriage a happy one; devotion to maintenance is essential. Through it all, faithfulness and loyalty to the marriage should be mandatory and if Mary has accepted anything less then she is selling herself short... and Fred is a spoiled hypocrite.
Continued unfaithfulness would be a definite grounds for divorce and a signal that the perpetrator is not suited to life as a married person.  They could be kidding themselves as to their ability to ever make anyone a loyal lifetime partner.

To give birth to heirs is a bonus to any marriage.  The DRF would have continued on without Mary and Fred having children.  It is super nice for couples who want children to be able to have them though.

I don't know if Fred has been unfaithful. I know that he has behaved badly (or stupidly at best) in a nightclub.
I hope that he has been faithful and that he has respect for his wife and for the institution of marriage.
If he and Mary have agreed to an open marriage then I would be disgusted.

[Snow Queen]

By marrying in she agreed to have an unequal relationship. Mary's role is to give birth to the heirs. She could be divorced tomorrow and everything could continue as before.

Publicly they have unequal roles but privately in their marriage they shouldn't. It's the same with the other CP couples. I doubt that Haakon, Felipe and Victoria view their spouses as unequal to them in their marriage and private family life. There has to be a balance to public duty & family life. A good relationship can't be built with someone who views the other partner as inferior. Maybe that's part of Fred & Mary's problem. Mary is so obsessed with being Crown Princess that she has forgotten who "Mary" is. These two have not coexisted as a real married couple for many many years.

[getafix]

Fred fears Mary telling all?
I think Mary should not underestimate Fred.
He's got the real version of their Slip Inn meeting.
When it comes out, it'l probably be wrapped in brown paper and definitely not a fairytale.

Excellent RM! 

Its best to remember who holds the honey-pot before trying to kick it over 

No matter how immature or what ever Floppy Frodo is and will be... He is still going to get that chair. No one is going to by pass him and give it to MEdiana  Best to buckle up, and keep swollowing

yes. I beleive he has cheted. And continues to cheat with NO compuction wotsoeva

G

[editorathome]

"Is Freddles a faithful husband?"
 

[isis]

Emilie Jerichau .... "friend of the couple" ...  


She is now living in the UK ... working for Groupon ... let's see if Freddles starts turning up at "official meetings" in London! 

Which one of them arranged the out-of-country job for this girl???
Fred, Mary...or the DRF's PR group?

[My13]

Thanks for the interesting replies, everyone!

I'd like to ask those of you who think he's cheated and Mary hasn't forgiven him - what do you make of all the sugary interviews and PDA, then? Trying to fix what can't be fixed, pure PR, or something in between?

Good thread, My13! 

Of course, I don't know anything with 100% certainty, but I've just heard so many very credible-sounding stories from different sources who do not know each other. And then there are the photos and videos.

it's like my husband says, where there's smoke, there's usually fire. He's just been in too many compromising positions - at Karriere Bar with a brunette, on a boat in Aus witha  brunette, in a nigthclub with a blonde, talking to a naked DJ, etc., etc. I've not heard of any other CPs being captured in those situations. In fact, the only other royal to be is our good friend up in Sweden - and look how that turned out 

It also fits well with his "Poor Me" world view - he thinks the world owes him something because of his "terrible" childhood and the difficult position he's in. In that sense, I think he feels he is justified in doing whatever he wants to please himself and even his wife, kids, etc just have to deal with it.

He is a spoiled, selfish brat! I've always thought that and therefore, I would not surprise me one bit if this guy was seeing more action than a Jerry Bruckheimer film!

Back at ya, thrilla I think you've nailed Fred's personality

Care to share about the stories you heard? I had the impression most Danes are very, ermm, deferential to the DRF, so it's telling if even they think Fred's the cheating type

[Hester]

Emilie Jerichau .... "friend of the couple" ...  


She is now living in the UK ... working for Groupon ... let's see if Freddles starts turning up at "official meetings" in London! 

Which one of them arranged the out-of-country job for this girl???
Fred, Mary...or the DRF's PR group?

May not have been a sensible move ... with the British tabloids unchained! 

[My13]

yes he has cheated, yes Mary knows and no she hasn't forgiven him.

why would you state publicly at the beginning of an engagement/marriage that you won't tolerate infidelity unless you're pretty sure the buggers being playing hide the salami in different sandwiches?

You have a point there. Did the interviewer ask her whether she would tolerate infidelity? I could understand her answer if that's what she was asked, but if she brought up the infidelity issue on her own - that's like your new boss telling you in front of the whole office that she won't tolerate stealing office supplies.

Freddo is a natural born cheater and has always been - and still is .
I think Meary thought she would be able to stop it - that marriage/herself/kids would be enough for him. Well well...

I think that's likely. Unlike CG and Silvia, F&M at least had enough in common that Mary might have had feelings for him beyond "Yeah, Black Amex!" She wouldn't have married him if he were a plumber, but once they got together I can see her buying into the whole "love story of the ages" the sugar press was serving up.

[Laprincess]

I think that's likely. Unlike CG and Silvia, F&M at least had enough in common that Mary might have had feelings for him beyond "Yeah, Black Amex!" She wouldn't have married him if he were a plumber, but once they got together I can see her buying into the whole "love story of the ages" the sugar press was serving up.

Please see one of the diagnostic criteria for Narcissistic Personality Disorder I posted in "Nose in the Air" thread:

A Narcissist "is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love."

[abs]

I believe it was before they were married and on vacation in Skagen (Denmark). Press lurking outside a place they used to go to a lot when there. Mary and Derf came out late and walked home - Mary was nagging Derf about "that girl" - ""what were you doing with that girl". She was really upset, it was reported.
She knew all along, but couldn´t resist the title, status and privileges that came with him, faithful or not.