The Romanovs

[katerzzz]

Wow i was only one day gone, and this beautiful post is like a grooming tree at the evergreens hehehe... Really interesting, about olga as an empress, yeah, i have thought about it myself, but i dont think those moronic bolsheviks would accept a woman as their empress, they were socialist only in the part of their convienence, but forgot that marx told that everybody was equal, bolsheviks only raped women(in germany  ) and treated them like maids, nothing else. I agree about olga and her marvellous mind, she could have been a really good empress, but those stupid pauline laws prevented it ... But do you know who would have been a really good tsar?? yeah, alexei, he was compassionate, humble, and very smart, he could have a wonderful military carrier and with polishing here and there, would have been a lot better than fragile nicky. Sadly his body wasnt cooperating, and he was really young when all this chaos happened, and with haemophilia b the chances to survival were narrow, well who knows how long he would have lived, without the revolution, Leopold lived long engought to marry and have children and died, because an accident, same with a spanish prince, who died at 33, only because a car crash... So many ifs.. but sadly a tragically end. The romanovs died, but Russia paid a big price for it: Tsar Stalin, the man was awful and killed more than 30 million in his regime, That could have been spared with a good emperor/empress with a constituonal monarchy, and a efficient duma...nowdays the is Tsar Vladimir at the power, and may says he is a good tsar, time will tell..... I´ve read that Tatiana was a potential bride for Edward VII... Maybe without the Revolution, or if tatiana would have been survived, then maybe Edward wouldnt need to fall in love with a lowclass, leech nazi social climber but to have a royal very beautiful russian wife, with really strong family values, and pretty genes, maybe now the royal windsors, wouldnt be so ugly.... and cousin lilibet would be only a minor royal by this time...

If you read it on this board, it was probably me Olga and Tatiana were both picked out as brides for Edward VIII by their parents in the 1910s but, obviously, nothing ever came of it.

[Miss Waynfleet]

Edward must have been THE bachelor, they speculated if he marries Ingrid, Margrethes mother, or Queen Juliane.

[katerzzz]

Edward must have been THE bachelor, they speculated if he marries Ingrid, Margrethes mother, or Queen Juliane.

Oh, he was MW, he was the first media-friendly royal. Take the charisma and personality that Diana had, and then times it by like A GAZILLION, and even then you didn't come close to the charm that EVIII emitted. It was said that he could walk into a room full of coal miners and within half an hour would be able to speak, act, talk, and even mine like them.

[Artemis]

You are welcome, Kitty. 

I've done some reading.  When you google do hemophiliac carriers have heavy menstrual cycles this site is now the 6th entry!   

It says if you are a "symptomatic carrrier" you have to let doctors/dentists know, and should consider wearing a medic alert bracelet. 

Had the Romanovs survived, it's quite possible Maria would not have had a long life - she could have died in childbirth if her baby was big.   
How sadly ironic considering it is said she is the one who dreamed of marriage and lots and lots of babies. 

Yes, it depends. Usually the carrier's symptoms are not life-threatening, but, especially if the decease is unknown (and adding that the medical treatment back then wasn't as advanced as it is now), it can come to a critical condition. It would be interesting to know more about Maria's tonsillectomy because an increased tendency to bleed is "normal", but not necessarily dangerous.

It is known that, but hemophilia is so complex that all these things literally vary from patient to patient, the decease decreases with advanced age. If you reach advanced age at all, childhood is indeed the most dangerous time for bleeders and thus (I guess that was the case with one of Alexei's Hessian uncles) many affected children died very young in the old days.

This said, I do not know which type of hemophilia affected the Romanovs, so it might all have been much worse for them.

[KittyHeaven]

Great info and posts from Schockobaerin and katerzzz!  

About Tatiana or Olga as possible brides for Edward VIII, weren't they too closely related for that? All were great-grandchildren of Queen Victoria-talk about keeping it in the family!  

Hemophilia might definitely have become an issue in such a marriage. The Grand Duchesses would have right back where the whole hemophilia tragedy started in the first place..England.

[Miss Waynfleet]

Edward must have been THE bachelor, they speculated if he marries Ingrid, Margrethes mother, or Queen Juliane.

Oh, he was MW, he was the first media-friendly royal. Take the charisma and personality that Diana had, and then times it by like A GAZILLION, and even then you didn't come close to the charm that EVIII emitted. It was said that he could walk into a room full of coal miners and within half an hour would be able to speak, act, talk, and even mine like them.

A shame that he wasn´t blessed with political intuition. 

[KittyHeaven]

BINGO Miss Waynfleet. For all his charm, he seems to have been dumber than a box of hair...not to mention shockingly racist.

He once became very upset that he was forced to receive Holy Communion from a Black priest.   :

I share a birthdate with him btw...June23rd. 

[BessieWallis Warfield]

You are welcome, Kitty.  

I've done some reading.  When you google do hemophiliac carriers have heavy menstrual cycles this site is now the 6th entry!  

It says if you are a "symptomatic carrrier" you have to let doctors/dentists know, and should consider wearing a medic alert bracelet.  

Had the Romanovs survived, it's quite possible Maria would not have had a long life - she could have died in childbirth if her baby was big.  
How sadly ironic considering it is said she is the one who dreamed of marriage and lots and lots of babies.  
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Yes, it depends. Usually the carrier's symptoms are not life-threatening, but, especially if the decease is unknown (and adding that the medical treatment back then wasn't as advanced as it is now), it can come to a critical condition. It would be interesting to know more about Maria's tonsillectomy because an increased tendency to bleed is "normal", but not necessarily dangerous.

It is known that, but hemophilia is so complex that all these things literally vary from patient to patient, the decease decreases with advanced age. If you reach advanced age at all, childhood is indeed the most dangerous time for bleeders and thus (I guess that was the case with one of Alexei's Hessian uncles) many affected children died very young in the old days.

This said, I do not know which type of hemophilia affected the Romanovs, so it might all have been much worse for them.

Artemis, in my bizarre quest to discover the menstrual cycles of OTMA through the powers of the google, I discovered that Alexei had THE WORST form of hemophilia.  

I'm considering signing onto the sugar boards and asking Dutch dude how many kotex he things OTMA and Alix blew threw in a month.  Should I?  

[katerzzz]

Great info and posts from Schockobaerin and katerzzz!  

About Tatiana or Olga as possible brides for Edward VIII, weren't they too closely related for that? All were great-grandchildren of Queen Victoria-talk about keeping it in the family!  

Hemophilia might definitely have become an issue in such a marriage. The Grand Duchesses would have right back where the whole hemophilia tragedy started in the first place..England.

EVIII and the Grand Duchesses were second cousins through their fathers George V and Nicholas II, both of whom were grandchildren of Chrisian VII of Denmark through his daughter Queen Alexandra of Britain and Empress Maria Feodorovna (Dagmar of Denmark), and they were also they were second cousins through George V and Empress Alexandra whose parents Edward VII and Princess Alice, Grand Duches of Hesse-Darmstadt respectively were children of Queen Victoria. And they kept it in te family to keep the blood 'blue' I suppose...and no, they weren't too closely related by Edwardian standards, an example of cousin-cousin marriage would be Victoria-Melita of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha who married two of her first cousins; she was the daughter of Queen Victoria's son Prince Alfred, and married her cousin through her aunt Princess Alice (mother of Alix of Russia), future Grand Duke Ernst Louis in 1894. The couple divorced in 1901 and Victoria-Melita then remarried another cousin, this time through her mother Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna of Russia, her new husband was Grand Duke Cyril Vladimirovich who was the son of Vladimir Alexandrovich, who, along with Victoria-Melita's mother was a child of Alexander II of Russia. First cousin marriages were common throughout the period...another example would be Queen Maud and King Haakon of Norway, who were related through Maud's mother Alexandra of Britain, and Haakon's father Frederick VIII. The last first cousin marriage in the royal families was....in fact....1919 between Grand Duke Jean's parents. There have been lots of marriages between second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth etc cousins ever since then. In fact, if you go back far enough into the 1400s there was a full sibling marriage, though this was declared invalid by the pope.

I think that's why everyone but obstacles in the way, the BRF had worked so hard to get haemophilia out of the royal family that the idea of it being brought back into the family by a marriage of the heir to one of the Grand Duchesses woulda been to big a risk to take.

You are welcome, Kitty.  

I've done some reading.  When you google do hemophiliac carriers have heavy menstrual cycles this site is now the 6th entry!  

It says if you are a "symptomatic carrrier" you have to let doctors/dentists know, and should consider wearing a medic alert bracelet.  

Had the Romanovs survived, it's quite possible Maria would not have had a long life - she could have died in childbirth if her baby was big.  
How sadly ironic considering it is said she is the one who dreamed of marriage and lots and lots of babies.  

Yes, it depends. Usually the carrier's symptoms are not life-threatening, but, especially if the decease is unknown (and adding that the medical treatment back then wasn't as advanced as it is now), it can come to a critical condition. It would be interesting to know more about Maria's tonsillectomy because an increased tendency to bleed is "normal", but not necessarily dangerous.

It is known that, but hemophilia is so complex that all these things literally vary from patient to patient, the decease decreases with advanced age. If you reach advanced age at all, childhood is indeed the most dangerous time for bleeders and thus (I guess that was the case with one of Alexei's Hessian uncles) many affected children died very young in the old days.

This said, I do not know which type of hemophilia affected the Romanovs, so it might all have been much worse for them.

According to everything I've read about tests etc on the bones, Alexei suffered from the rarer form of Haemophilia B.  

[Miss Waynfleet]

BINGO Miss Waynfleet. For all his charm, he seems to have been dumber than a box of hair...not to mention shockingly racist.

He once became very upset that he was forced to receive Holy Communion from a Black priest.   :

I share a birthdate with him btw...June23rd. 

Well, we have to thank the USA for Wallis, no? 

[katerzzz]

BINGO Miss Waynfleet. For all his charm, he seems to have been dumber than a box of hair...not to mention shockingly racist.

He once became very upset that he was forced to receive Holy Communion from a Black priest.  :

I share a birthdate with him btw...June23rd. 

Well, we have to thank the USA for Wallis, no? 

  We can blame them for Wallis but thank them for Krispy Kreme donuts. I like Krispy Kreme....

[Miss Waynfleet]

We can blame them for Wallis but thank them for Krispy Kreme donuts. I like Krispy Kreme....

 

And Grace Kelly 

[katerzzz]

We can blame them for Wallis but thank them for Krispy Kreme donuts. I like Krispy Kreme....

 

And Grace Kelly 

Ofc. How could I forget Grace?

And Barack Obama.

And The Avengers.

This list could go on....lets try not to digress from this wonderful thread though.

[Miss Waynfleet]

Okay 

I love this photo so much of Alexej and Princess Ileana of Romania

[Schockobaerin]

oooppsss i apologize again! because of my bad english    it was edward VIII not VII like i wrote back then
I must say the edward VIII Bride story was read here in a post by the lovely Katerzz
Edward was really charming, he was like Harry today: party boy, charming and why not? handsome, but sooo dumb the poor thing, how could he fall in that woman spell, she was ugly and old, who knows what hiddden charms did she have.... What a deja vu, that remember me of another "blue prince" falling in love with an evil old witch with hidden talents.. mmm I know im sounding superficial, and i know why charles prefered matured camilla instead teenaged diana, but Edward let his peoplre down, for a wh0r€ Gossip says he was unhappy, but didnt divorce Wallis because of his pride, and maybe it was for the greater, if he was racist, no matter how handsome he was, and how ugly george vi and queen mother were, the latter were a far better choice that this man, that belongs to the other post.
Back to the Romanovs, im really sorry about marie and her haemophilia, because she was the one who wanted a family of her own more than anybody, i believe more than a soldat at the ipatiev house had a crush in marie, they smuggled a cake for her 19th bday, she, anastasia and alexei were the charming ones with their captors, Alexei playmate was the kitchen boy, and he liked the boy dearly, and asked a lot about him when he was sended away(the bolsheviks didnt want to kill the boy), Nicholas himself was really nice to his captors, and never ever (even as a tsar) he showed racism or disrespect for the lower classes, nicholas problem was their bad advisors, and until the very end he worked(at least tried) for his country (unlike some queen V, who just hid herself on an island, to do her favorite hobby: to mourn). The windsors could learn a thing or two from their cousins Romanovs, about to be humble and charismatic. Maybe nicholas and alexandra were ahead their time,If nicholas father hadnt died as young as he had, governed 15 or 20 more years, then nicholas came to the power,matured and helping, Alix would be accostumed and overcome her shyness,  maybe then... But who knows....Nicholas was a peace man, i dont understand why he went to so many wars, who at the end destroyed his imperium and his life...