The Romanovs

[Schockobaerin]

I think he did deserved It did he blink an eye when he killed others?

The people have spoken


But the kids were innocent and that was terribly cruel

The problem with that statement is that what "the people" ended up with after they had spoken far surpassed in brutality anything inflicted on them under the Tsars...Lenin and Stalin and their death camps and other atrocities annihilated millions and millions of Russians...in the most harsh and inhumane ways imaginable.

 And this was the "worker's paradise" that was was promised to them by the Bolsheviks.

I agree with you kittyheaven, and it seems that nicholas lost his position, because he wasnt as cruel as his father was, he let a lot people go of jails in anastasias birth, he wasnt as opressive as his father was, and look what happened, people talked, but gave the power to money hungry people who did far worser than ivan the terrible, not like the soviets respected the jews or the others, anyone who wasnt russian were like slaves, Stalin shamed himself of his georgian background.. How a terrible sick man like Stalin came to the power?? i dont know... In Greece Constantine and Anne Marie have a foundation for the greeks quakes victims, with the money they received from the goverment.. Simeon was elected president of his country, and was indeed a good one, Juan Carlos gave his people the democracy back... So sometimes second chances arent so bad..Sometimes to give the "people" the power is a big mistake: After Wilhem came Hitler, After Louis came Napoleon, after nicholas came Stalin, after Carol came some brutal dictator, after Alfonso came Franco, after Pahlavi came the extremist in Iran, and the list is long. But in contrast look what happened in England, Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, Monaco, Scandinavia, all their monarchs opted for a democratic goverment, and acepted their lost of political power, and it was indeed the right choice.. Maybe if Russia have made the same choice back then, they wouldnt have suffered 70 long years of restrictions and blood...

[PeDe]

A lovely portrait

this is the most handsome looking RF by far. Nobody from today could hold a candle to them (although, I'd throw in the little infantas, Felix, and little Henrik in this category of good looking children)

[StephanieDesiree]

A lovely portrait

this is the most handsome looking RF by far. Nobody from today could hold a candle to them (although, I'd throw in the little infantas, Felix, and little Henrik in this category of good looking children)

Olga's dress and jewelry!       

[Cloaked]

To me, the father looks handsome and the young boy as well.
The daughter standing behind her father's chair is stunning and I find the youngest girl sweet.
The others I don't find extraordinarily handsome.
They all look sullen.

[potahto]

To me, the father looks handsome and the young boy as well.
The daughter standing behind her father's chair is stunning and I find the youngest girl sweet.
The others I don't find extraordinarily handsome.
They all look sullen.

Maria was stunning, her mother thought she was too chubby though

[TLLK]

I have to agree with Schockobaerin. Whatever his faults as ruler, he did not deserve the end he got..and certainly his unbalanced wife and their five kids didn't either.

Nicholas was weak and not terribly bright. He inherited an autocracy that had practiced brutal repression, bigotry, immorality and unbelievable debauchery for several hundred years.

His great misfortune was that he was on the Throne when the revolutionaries were put into a position to take their revenge. This is exactly the same situation Louis XVI found himself in in 1789..a mild and ineffectual ruler basically paid for the sins and excesses of his predecessors. 

:star:Kitty Heaven for your post. I completely agree.

[LucyintheSky]

Artemis, in my bizarre quest to discover the menstrual cycles of OTMA through the powers of the google, I discovered that Alexei had THE WORST form of hemophilia.   

I'm considering signing onto the sugar boards and asking Dutch dude how many kotex he things OTMA and Alix blew threw in a month.  Should I?   
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OMG  That would be awesome!!Please do!!

[Artemis]

You are welcome, Kitty. 

I've done some reading.  When you google do hemophiliac carriers have heavy menstrual cycles this site is now the 6th entry!   

It says if you are a "symptomatic carrrier" you have to let doctors/dentists know, and should consider wearing a medic alert bracelet. 

Had the Romanovs survived, it's quite possible Maria would not have had a long life - she could have died in childbirth if her baby was big.   
How sadly ironic considering it is said she is the one who dreamed of marriage and lots and lots of babies. 

Yes, it depends. Usually the carrier's symptoms are not life-threatening, but, especially if the decease is unknown (and adding that the medical treatment back then wasn't as advanced as it is now), it can come to a critical condition. It would be interesting to know more about Maria's tonsillectomy because an increased tendency to bleed is "normal", but not necessarily dangerous.

It is known that, but hemophilia is so complex that all these things literally vary from patient to patient, the decease decreases with advanced age. If you reach advanced age at all, childhood is indeed the most dangerous time for bleeders and thus (I guess that was the case with one of Alexei's Hessian uncles) many affected children died very young in the old days.

This said, I do not know which type of hemophilia affected the Romanovs, so it might all have been much worse for them.

Artemis, in my bizarre quest to discover the menstrual cycles of OTMA through the powers of the google, I discovered that Alexei had THE WORST form of hemophilia.   

I'm considering signing onto the sugar boards and asking Dutch dude how many kotex he things OTMA and Alix blew threw in a month.  Should I?   

You could try, a la 'inquiring minds wanna know'. 

Thank you and katerzzz for letting me know that Alexei was suffering from the worst form, type B. This makes you think why anyone of the guys, who pretended to be Alexei after 1918, could have been taken seriously the least bit - the poor boy could've been happy if he survived the fall off a chair, let alone some bullet shots.

I still believe it is a different story concerning the girls. As a probable carrier Maria might have had symptoms like an increased tendency to bleed, but with the right medical treatment she could have survived this. After all, her mother was a carrier too and I haven't heard that she had problems while giving birth?

Anyway, as they are all dead and gone now (even AA  ), it doesn't make much sense to speculate about it I think.

[Artemis]

By the way, these two pictures of Anastasia and Alexei have always been my favorites from the Romanov collection, probably they are among my favorite royal pics of all times. 





They were an affectionate family. 

[BessieWallis Warfield]

You are welcome, Kitty. 

I've done some reading.  When you google do hemophiliac carriers have heavy menstrual cycles this site is now the 6th entry!   

It says if you are a "symptomatic carrrier" you have to let doctors/dentists know, and should consider wearing a medic alert bracelet. 

Had the Romanovs survived, it's quite possible Maria would not have had a long life - she could have died in childbirth if her baby was big.   
How sadly ironic considering it is said she is the one who dreamed of marriage and lots and lots of babies. 

Yes, it depends. Usually the carrier's symptoms are not life-threatening, but, especially if the decease is unknown (and adding that the medical treatment back then wasn't as advanced as it is now), it can come to a critical condition. It would be interesting to know more about Maria's tonsillectomy because an increased tendency to bleed is "normal", but not necessarily dangerous.

It is known that, but hemophilia is so complex that all these things literally vary from patient to patient, the decease decreases with advanced age. If you reach advanced age at all, childhood is indeed the most dangerous time for bleeders and thus (I guess that was the case with one of Alexei's Hessian uncles) many affected children died very young in the old days.

This said, I do not know which type of hemophilia affected the Romanovs, so it might all have been much worse for them.

Artemis, in my bizarre quest to discover the menstrual cycles of OTMA through the powers of the google, I discovered that Alexei had THE WORST form of hemophilia.   

I'm considering signing onto the sugar boards and asking Dutch dude how many kotex he things OTMA and Alix blew threw in a month.  Should I?   

You could try, a la 'inquiring minds wanna know'. 

Thank you and katerzzz for letting me know that Alexei was suffering from the worst form, type B. This makes you think why anyone of the guys, who pretended to be Alexei after 1918, could have been taken seriously the least bit - the poor boy could've been happy if he survived the fall off a chair, let alone some bullet shots.

I still believe it is a different story concerning the girls. As a probable carrier Maria might have had symptoms like an increased tendency to bleed, but with the right medical treatment she could have survived this. After all, her mother was a carrier too and I haven't heard that she had problems while giving birth?

Anyway, as they are all dead and gone now (even AA  ), it doesn't make much sense to speculate about it I think.

Alix did manage to give birth five times without any complications we are aware of.  But are all carriers what they call "symptomatic"?

[Lolly]

You are welcome, Kitty. 

I've done some reading.  When you google do hemophiliac carriers have heavy menstrual cycles this site is now the 6th entry!   

It says if you are a "symptomatic carrrier" you have to let doctors/dentists know, and should consider wearing a medic alert bracelet. 

Had the Romanovs survived, it's quite possible Maria would not have had a long life - she could have died in childbirth if her baby was big.   
How sadly ironic considering it is said she is the one who dreamed of marriage and lots and lots of babies. 

Yes, it depends. Usually the carrier's symptoms are not life-threatening, but, especially if the decease is unknown (and adding that the medical treatment back then wasn't as advanced as it is now), it can come to a critical condition. It would be interesting to know more about Maria's tonsillectomy because an increased tendency to bleed is "normal", but not necessarily dangerous.

It is known that, but hemophilia is so complex that all these things literally vary from patient to patient, the decease decreases with advanced age. If you reach advanced age at all, childhood is indeed the most dangerous time for bleeders and thus (I guess that was the case with one of Alexei's Hessian uncles) many affected children died very young in the old days.

This said, I do not know which type of hemophilia affected the Romanovs, so it might all have been much worse for them.

Artemis, in my bizarre quest to discover the menstrual cycles of OTMA through the powers of the google, I discovered that Alexei had THE WORST form of hemophilia.   

I'm considering signing onto the sugar boards and asking Dutch dude how many kotex he things OTMA and Alix blew threw in a month.  Should I?   

You could try, a la 'inquiring minds wanna know'. 

Thank you and katerzzz for letting me know that Alexei was suffering from the worst form, type B. This makes you think why anyone of the guys, who pretended to be Alexei after 1918, could have been taken seriously the least bit - the poor boy could've been happy if he survived the fall off a chair, let alone some bullet shots.

I still believe it is a different story concerning the girls. As a probable carrier Maria might have had symptoms like an increased tendency to bleed, but with the right medical treatment she could have survived this. After all, her mother was a carrier too and I haven't heard that she had problems while giving birth?

Anyway, as they are all dead and gone now (even AA  ), it doesn't make much sense to speculate about it I think.

Alix did manage to give birth five times without any complications we are aware of.  But are all carriers what they call "symptomatic"?

There are few studies on it, but it seems about 1/3 of carriers have low clotting factors, with the other 2/3s unaffected. Victoria Eugenia didn't know she was a carrier until her eldest son didn't stop bleeding at his circumcision. The royal houses knew the risk of hemophilia at the time of her marriage but Alfonso XIII really wanted to marry her. However, he never forgave her when two of his sons were born with the disease.

[Kuei Fei]

Maybe nicholas and alexandra were ahead their time,If nicholas father hadnt died as young as he had, governed 15 or 20 more years, then nicholas came to the power,matured and helping, Alix would be accostumed and overcome her shyness,  maybe then... But who knows....Nicholas was a peace man, i dont understand why he went to so many wars, who at the end destroyed his imperium and his life...

Because he listened to his crazy wife.  She's the one who sent the orders to the front during WWI.  She had absolutely no idea what she was talking about, but Nicky listened to her. 

Alex in turn was listening to Rasputin, who was a monk; times like this I understand the importance of the separation of Church and State. If Rasputin had been kept in a monastary instead of being allowed to end up carousing and interfering in the government, I wonder how differently things would have gone.

To me, the father looks handsome and the young boy as well.
The daughter standing behind her father's chair is stunning and I find the youngest girl sweet.
The others I don't find extraordinarily handsome.
They all look sullen.

IN the past it wasn't expected that people smile in photographs.

The eldest daughter was pushing 23 and by the standards of those days she was an adult woman as were her two younger sisters aged 19 and 21. Ana at age 17 was almost grown up and the only child was 13 year old Alexei.

They were kept artificially young and very emotionally immature and undeveloped. Marriage wasn't really talked about, except when Olga went to Romania to be seen by King Carol and she ended up refusing because she wanted to marry a Russian.

The romanovs died, but Russia paid a big price for it: Tsar Stalin, the man was awful and killed more than 30 million in his regime, That could have been spared with a good emperor/empress with a constituonal monarchy, and a efficient duma

If Nicholas had done so sooner; it took the threatened suicide of his uncle Grand Duke Nicholas (Nikolasha) to get Nicholas to sign one creating a Dume. Nikolasha literally pulled a gun out right in front of Nicholas and said he would shoot himself in Nicholas' presence.

Anyway, these days the current family rivalry rocks on, the Vladimirovichi vs. the rest of them.