At least 7 shot dead at Sikh temple near Milwaukee

[Miss Waynfleet]

http://www.chicagotribune...0805,0,7753463,full.story

 

[TLLK]

AFAIK there hasn't been any updates on this sad story.

[Little_star]

Tragic but unsurprising.

Until America does something about its lax gun laws these attacks will continue to happen.

The CNN coverage was appalling last night. 

[Countess of Cows]

 

"Until America does something about its lax gun laws these attacks will continue to happen."

and i might respectfully add, spend more on mental health than prisons. 
 

[hanzo1]

I think It has to do with the sensationalist media too actually I think It plays a major part

[TLLK]

I think It has to do with the sensationalist media too actually I think It plays a major part

ITA.

[TLLK]

"Until America does something about its lax gun laws these attacks will continue to happen."

and i might respectfully add, spend more on mental health than prisons. 
 

[royalwatcher2010]

"Until America does something about its lax gun laws these attacks will continue to happen."

and i might respectfully add, spend more on mental health than prisons. 
 

  If I could give you a million stars, trust me, I would.

[Clover]

"Until America does something about its lax gun laws these attacks will continue to happen."

and i might respectfully add, spend more on mental health than prisons. 

Countess of Cows,
That pretty much sums up the problem here! 

[Aliza]

"Until America does something about its lax gun laws these attacks will continue to happen."

and i might respectfully add, spend more on mental health than prisons. 
 

Criminals never have problems getting guns, legal or illegal.  IMHO it's those seeking to legally protect themselves from those criminals who would suffer if the Second Amendment and the right to bear arms, (which Thomas Jefferson maintained was the cornerstone for safeguarding all the other rights guaranteed in the Bill of Rights), was abandoned.

RIP to those innocent victims of terrorism in Wisconsin, I can all too well imagine what their families are going through.  There should be zero tolerance for terrorism and all terrorists should be punished as severely as possible.

I agree with you about the prisons; can the US just keep building more and more prisons?  It's no great solution, but I don't know what other solution is feasible, although mental health is definitely an area that needs expanded support, to put it mildly.

[federica]

"Until America does something about its lax gun laws these attacks will continue to happen."

and i might respectfully add, spend more on mental health than prisons. 
 

Criminals never have problems getting guns, legal or illegal.  IMHO it's those seeking to legally protect themselves from those criminals who would suffer if the Second Amendment and the right to bear arms, (which Thomas Jefferson maintained was the cornerstone for safeguarding all the other rights guaranteed in the Bill of Rights), was abandoned.

RIP to those innocent victims of terrorism in Wisconsin, I can all too well imagine what their families are going through.  There should be zero tolerance for terrorism and all terrorists should be punished as severely as possible.

I agree with you about the prisons; can the US just keep building more and more prisons?  It's no great solution, but I don't know what other solution is feasible, although mental health is definitely an area that needs expanded support, to put it mildly.

  for you. Criminals, terrorists, and the mentally unstable will always find a way to procure guns-- just look at what happened in Norway last year or Scotland in 1996.

[Snow Queen]

"Until America does something about its lax gun laws these attacks will continue to happen."

and i might respectfully add, spend more on mental health than prisons. 
 

Criminals never have problems getting guns, legal or illegal.  IMHO it's those seeking to legally protect themselves from those criminals who would suffer if the Second Amendment and the right to bear arms, (which Thomas Jefferson maintained was the cornerstone for safeguarding all the other rights guaranteed in the Bill of Rights), was abandoned.

RIP to those innocent victims of terrorism in Wisconsin, I can all too well imagine what their families are going through.  There should be zero tolerance for terrorism and all terrorists should be punished as severely as possible.

I agree with you about the prisons; can the US just keep building more and more prisons?  It's no great solution, but I don't know what other solution is feasible, although mental health is definitely an area that needs expanded support, to put it mildly.

Great post Aliza and I agree with you. 

[Aliza]

"Until America does something about its lax gun laws these attacks will continue to happen."

and i might respectfully add, spend more on mental health than prisons. 
 

Criminals never have problems getting guns, legal or illegal.  IMHO it's those seeking to legally protect themselves from those criminals who would suffer if the Second Amendment and the right to bear arms, (which Thomas Jefferson maintained was the cornerstone for safeguarding all the other rights guaranteed in the Bill of Rights), was abandoned.

RIP to those innocent victims of terrorism in Wisconsin, I can all too well imagine what their families are going through.  There should be zero tolerance for terrorism and all terrorists should be punished as severely as possible.

I agree with you about the prisons; can the US just keep building more and more prisons?  It's no great solution, but I don't know what other solution is feasible, although mental health is definitely an area that needs expanded support, to put it mildly.

  for you. Criminals, terrorists, and the mentally unstable will always find a way to procure guns-- just look at what happened in Norway last year or Scotland in 1996.

Exactly my point!  Do you remember the hot water Prince Philip found himself in for saying something similar?
Thank you for the star!

[Aliza]

"Until America does something about its lax gun laws these attacks will continue to happen."

and i might respectfully add, spend more on mental health than prisons. 
 

Criminals never have problems getting guns, legal or illegal.  IMHO it's those seeking to legally protect themselves from those criminals who would suffer if the Second Amendment and the right to bear arms, (which Thomas Jefferson maintained was the cornerstone for safeguarding all the other rights guaranteed in the Bill of Rights), was abandoned.

RIP to those innocent victims of terrorism in Wisconsin, I can all too well imagine what their families are going through.  There should be zero tolerance for terrorism and all terrorists should be punished as severely as possible.

I agree with you about the prisons; can the US just keep building more and more prisons?  It's no great solution, but I don't know what other solution is feasible, although mental health is definitely an area that needs expanded support, to put it mildly.

Great post Aliza and I agree with you. 

Thank you for your welcoming compliment!  I was hesitant about posting something so controversial because I am brand new here and it was great to see there are like and differing points of view both represented here.

[tgb]

I think you can also tie our gun culture to our lax gun laws, and then shooters to the culture. It's easy to say stricter regulations won't stop a gunman, but the country has never tried -- and while you can point to Scotland in one single year or Norway the same, those are a severely isolated incident whereas in the U.S. we have mass shootings regularly.

For example, just to graze the surface of the argument, of the 58 mass shootings (by a strict definition) in America from 1982 to Aurora -- in other words, prior to this incident -- 46 of the shooters obtained weapons legally, only 10 obtained them illegally, and it is unknown in 2 cases. Of the guns used, 62 were semi-automatic, 34 were assault weapons, 20 were revolvers, and 18 were shotguns. Can anyone argue we couldn't make a huge difference in the rate of gun violence in this country and the numbers of fatalities by making even just semi-automatic weapons harder to obtain or illegal? If a criminal is going to shoot anyway, as suggested, he's going to hit a lot fewer people without a semi-automatic, and it's tough to argue not owning a semi-automatic is a grievous injury to anyone's rights.

By a looser definition of mass shooting, America is averaging 20 every single year. Norway's relative stats don't even come close. I come from a gun-owning family and I support the right of people to own guns within reason, but when we are talking about simply building more and more prisons as we bury more and more innocent people who have died by fire from legally obtained high-powered guns we are increasingly throwing money behind our right to own, there is a huge problem, I think -- and one that other countries just as 'free' as the U.S. have been able to cut into very deeply through regulation and a number of other means. It's not even close how much worse the U.S. is in this regard. And meanwhile the gun lobby is pushing through cookie cutter legislation like 'Stand Your Ground' when, at least in my state, we already had the Castle Doctrine for self-defense. IMO something has to give. What happened at this temple and in Aurora is just awful, and I think the scale of these events is preventative.  

I think we should at least throw as much money behind mental health as the gun lobby if we aren't going to do anything about guns. Hugs!