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« on: September 19, 2015, 08:49:33 AM »

Hi,

As Harry becomes more and more popular I thought it would be a good idea to discuss whether Harry could or should become the next Prince of Wales. I wrote a pretty long post about this so I will cut it up and post it in installments. Let me know what you think!

Harry as the next Prince of Wales ? A feasible alternative?

William was once the golden child of the British monarchy. As the eldest son of the heir to the throne he would one day rule over the United Kingdom and its great Commonwealth. Through his father, he descended from a great line of Kings and Queens who have served the people of the United Kingdom for generations. Through his mother he could trace his lineage to the grandest families of the English aristocracy. He would combine the greatest qualities of both his parents; the compassion, charisma and dedication of his mother with the duty and sense of tradition of his father. And because of Diana?s influence, the great titles, wealth and privilege he inherited would be tempered with his humility and desire to serve others. Not only did he possess all the qualities that would make him a good and great King, they came packaged within a young man who had the model good looks and floppy blonde hair of pop idol. William could do no wrong.

However, over time, these great hopes and expectations have faded. The great qualities that were attributed to William have been proven to not exist, or if they do exist, to be present in very limited quantities. The hardworking, diligent young man we expected has instead warped into a disinterested, arrogant, middle-aged man with little dedication and no substance for the rigors of royal service. Instead of the modern young prince who would revitalise the monarchy, we have received a stuffy English Lord possessing all the haughty reticence and disregard for the public that would not be uncommon for a similar man two hundred years previous. William is, in effect, a throwback to the olden times; where royalty were men and women of leisure, who did little to serve their people, and in fact viewed the common man with such low regard that the working classes should consider it an honour to merely be allowed in their presence.

The palace spin of William as a good and great man will go on, but when the truth of the matter is so self-evident, we cannot help but see William for what he is. There was a time when William might have become a great man and developed all the qualities needed to be a good king. But that time has passed and his character is now set. He has been given every chance, every opportunity to serve his country, but too many times he has proven himself unsuitable, unwilling and unable to carry out even the most basic requirements of royal service. For William has shown, despite having all the advantages in life, that he is not a man of duty, of faithfulness or of service. More and more the public cannot help but see the difference between the man that was promised and the man that was received.

However, if we were to look elsewhere for a more suitable candidate, we would not have to look far. For Harry, the younger brother, casually dismissed as ?the spare? since birth, has over the years proven himself to be a far more suitable for the role. Harry has slowly and diligently made his way through life ? making a few missteps along the way - but learning from his mistakes and steadily improving himself. In Harry we have a man who serves others, not merely because he is required to do so as a Prince of the United Kingdom ? but because he wants to. Not only has Harry has cultivated his manners, his conversation and his ability to interact with others in order to better carry out his royal duties, he is a man who is becoming increasingly loved, admired and approved of. When we have such a superior candidate in Harry there needs to be a serious discussion about whether he should become the next POW. Because if William is given the title of POW, it would be a great disservice to the people the monarchy is meant to serve and damage the standing of the monarchy within Great Britain.


Is it even legally possible to make Harry the POW?

However, before we discuss whether Harry should become the next POW, first we must discuss whether he could. In a system of monarchy where the eldest son of reigning King or Queen has always been made POW, is it even possible for Harry to be made POW? The answer to that is, yes, it is legally possible for Harry to be the next POW. While it has been tradition for the eldest son of the monarch to be made POW, the title is not automatically inherited, but rather bestowed upon the heir by the monarch. For example, Charles was not made POW until 1958, six years after Elizabeth became queen. Unlike the succession to the throne which is determined by parliament, it is the monarch who determines who becomes POW. However, the title must first be made free in order to be given to Harry, and this will not happen until Charles has ascended the throne and is no longer the POW. This also means that if Harry is to be made POW, it must be Charles who gives him the title.  

If Harry were to be made the next POW what would his and William?s respective roles be?

There is no precedence in history for how such a scenario would play out ? but it could go something like this. William would still be the designated heir to the throne, but Harry will take on all the roles that have traditionally been filled by the heir to the throne ? the roles that Charles now currently carries out as POW. William will be seen to have stepped aside from his official duties temporarily in order to raise his family, but with the understanding that once his children are grown he will step up to official royal duties and eventually serve as King. (Whether this is true or not is beside the point ? it is simply a way to explain this upheaval in a way that isn?t too shocking to the general public). However, once William is King, Harry may give up the POW title in order for it to be given to George, the heir, as is traditional. But if Harry becomes truly popular in his role as POW, he may be allowed to keep the title until his death out respect for the contributions he has made to the United Kingdom and the work he as done.

Does there even need to be a POW?

Instead of appointing William or Harry to be POW, Charles could just not appoint anyone. This is a very valid alternative as there have been many times in history where there has been no POW. For example, the current queen was never made Princess of Wales. As she was a daughter she was only heir presumptive not heir apparent, and could not accede to the position when there was always a possibility that her father may have a son (however unlikely it was). Princess Elizabeth still did the work of the heir and Prince(ss) of Wales, she just didn?t have the official title. However, after Charles? long reign as POW people are used to having one around? it would be nice to carry on the tradition, even if it isn?t the heir who is appointed POW.

Harry doesn?t need to be POW in order serve his country, however, there are practical benefits to giving Harry the title. As POW, Harry?s higher rank would lend greater prestige to the events he attends and show greater respect to his hosts; Harry would not be attending merely as Prince Harry of Wales but THE Prince of Wales. This increase in rank would have many tangible and intangible effects which would increase the amount of good he is able to do in the world.

There may also be popular dissent if Harry is seen to be doing all the work of the POW without having the reward of the title. People have a sense of fairness and justice, and if they see Harry, a well-loved public figure, being mistreated they would not like it. Treating Harry poorly would tarnish the popularity of the monarch and the monarchy in general ? and would be something that would best be avoided.

Officially recognising Harry?s role and importance within the monarchy would also stop a lot of the gossip and speculation that would come from the unusual situation of William not working, and Harry taking on the responsibilities traditionally carried out by the heir. If this new state of affairs were not publicly acknowledged there would be endless speculation and gossip about why this was the case. It would be better to officially acknowledge Harry?s importance and central position within the royal family by making him POW; there will still be gossip and speculation, but officially making Harry POW will but a lot of that to rest.

If Charles were to continue to refuse to give Harry the title, even when Harry proved himself to be the most deserving of it, it would show that the British monarchy is unwilling and unable to adapt and evolve in order to suit new circumstances. It shows that the monarchy would rather wither and die while sticking to tradition than stay relevant and better serve the citizens of the United Kingdom. There will always be the possibility that the British public could be stuck with first born duds who aren?t suited to the position, and appointing Harry as POW would be a good way to prove that the monarchy has effective ways to get around this while still serving the needs of its people. By showing that the royal family is adaptable and capable of evolving, it shows the monarchy can continue to thrive and effectively serve the people for many, many generations to come. So yes, it probably would be best to have an official POW.
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« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2015, 08:52:57 AM »

When Charles is King will he actually want to make Harry POW?

There are many reasons why William is unsuitable to be the next POW: he does the bare minimum of work, skives off at every opportunity, and uses every excuse he can to avoid his duties. He barely does any charity work, only seems to do a handful of official royal events and most of the royal duties he does carry out seem to be playing polo, going to galas and attending sporting events. William and Kate also have a pattern of not doing any work for a really long time, only to do a spurt of engagements just before they go on holiday; which seems to be a calculated ploy to at least appear to be working so the plebs don?t complain too much about their numerous and extravagant holidays.

William?s civilian work record also seems to be spotty at best: he did a gap year after graduating university; joined the army as a helicopter pilot where he didn?t even do the full flight training program and where he flew so few hours he was in danger of losing his licence; he quit the armed forces before he had done the minimum number of years required (to compensate for the expensive flight training); took another gap year; then took an agriculture course, half of which he didn?t complete because he went to Mustique for a holiday; and for the past year he hasn?t seemed to be doing much because he was still ?training? to be a helicopter rescue pilot. He?s finally started to do some work for the rescue helicopter service, but only as a co-pilot and will only do a 2/3 roster because of his ?royal duties?.

Unlike William, Harry actually seems to work consistently. Harry has been in the army for ten years and done two tours of duty. He is retired now but has hit the ground running and hasn?t seemed to take any significant breaks. He had no gap year ? there was no waffling about like William. Harry has founded his own charity Sentebale, and has been the driving force behind setting up the Warrior Games which has been a massive undertaking and a massive success. Harry is open and engaging, and people are genuinely excited and happy to see him. He is likeable, personable and is an enthusiastic contributor to the charities he supports.

In comparison, William seems to enjoy getting away with doing as little as possible. He doesn?t actively try to achieve things ? he?ll go along with established charities and do a video message or a visit. But founding charities or creating events that contribute to society? ? he just doesn?t do that. He seems to do the minimum so the public can?t really complain ? I mean he still is working ? but when you compare him to an actual hard working royals then his deficiencies become apparent rather quickly. William?s attitude towards his royal work is also poor. He seems to resent every public engagement he is forced to take part in. You can see it on his face and the way he carries himself; he resents being there. When William?s reticence and disdain for royal work is so apparent, it clearly makes Harry a superior candidate.

There is also the practical reason that William just doesn?t get the same invitations to tour overseas that Harry does. How can William carry out successful overseas tours when he isn?t even invited to begin with? In order to get New Zealand to extend an invitation for William to tour the country, the Queen had to suck up to the New Zealand Prime minister by inviting him to stay with her at Balmoral, where he could then have the ?opportunity? to extend an invitation for William to tour. There seems to have been no behind the scenes powerbroking required in order for Harry to get the same invitation. And countries seem to be specifically requesting Harry visit them over William. This is understandable William?s official visits to Washington DC and China in the past year are just further proof that people aren?t really that interested in him even when he does visit.

But is all this enough to make Charles want to appoint Harry as POW? There is no getting around the fact that by sidestepping William and appointing Harry as POW it will cause a scandal. By taking this unusual and unprecedented step, Charles will broadcast to the rest of the world that yes, William is unsuitable to be the next POW (and unsuitable for royal work in general). This will reflect badly on William and the entire royal family. However, would this short-term upheaval be worth it in the long run?

If William were to be made the next POW, he would be bad at it. Through his lack of interest he would degrade the standing of the royal family in the public?s eye. There will be increasing discontent about his suitability for the role, especially when he is seen to enjoy all the perks of royalty without having any of the responsibilities. So, wouldn?t there be a greater backlash if William were appointed as POW and was seen to be cynically milking the position for all it was worth without giving anything back?

The British royals have always been worried about being overthrow; it happened to their French, Russian and Greek cousins, why not them? That is always in the back of their mind. Securing their position, by securing the role of the monarchy within the United Kingdom. If there is enough disapproval of William and the future of the monarchy was seriously threatened by William?s unsuitability, then yes, I think Charles would throw William aside in a heartbeat in order to secure his own position and the extravagant lifestyle he is accustomed to.


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« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2015, 08:54:12 AM »

Will the public support Charles making Harry POW?

Royalty cannot exist without the support of the people, and if Charles were to appoint Harry as POW, then the public would need to support the move, or at least not be too upset by it. If there were too much public backlash, then it would just not be feasible to do it. Royalty ultimately needs the support of the people if it wishes to rule, otherwise the people will just get rid of them. However, Harry already has popular support so I don?t think Charles needs to worry too much public backlash.

But bypassing the heir to the throne is a drastic move and there needs to be a very, very good reason to do so. So for Harry to become POW it is unavoidable that two things must happen ? William must be shown in a more negative light, and Harry in a more positive one.

This will not be too hard as it is generally becoming more and more known that William is in fact an asshole. William is an expert at portraying himself as a perpetual victim, while never really acknowledging the very great privilege he has enjoyed since birth. He is more than happy to accept all the perks of being royal, while carrying out hardly any of the duties that come with those privileges. In his dealings with other people he has shown himself to be emotionally self-indulgent, controlling and mean. He wants ? nay ? expects ? the entire world to do what he wants ? even when it causes detriment to others; and because he is in direct line to inherit the throne he has generally gotten his way.

However, the press have started to ? very gradually ? release snippets of information regarding William?s true persona; nothing too overt ? but enough that people are starting to notice. The press are still holding a lot back a lot of the dirt they have on William but if they were to slowly start releasing these stories then that would be enough to sink William?s reputation.

But why would the media reveal the truth about William after they have protected him all these years? The most important thing to remember about the media is that they value page clicks and circulation above all else. Their respect for the palace and its wishes is not some altruistic deference to a bygone code of chivalry ? they do what the palace wants because otherwise they would lose access to the royals and all the lovely page clicks royal stories bring. (It could be argued that the palace does have many powerful connections and they could use their influence to keep certain stories out of the press; but this influence only goes so far as evidenced by all the sordid details of Charles and Diana?s marriage breakdown being published. If the palace had any true control none of that would have seen the light of day). The only reason the press haven?t revealed the truth about William is the palace doesn?t want them to. However, if Charles (as King) were to give tacit approval for the media to reveal the truth about William? That would be a completely different matter.

However, even if Charles didn?t complain about the media?s treatment of William, it would not prevent William himself from complaining about it and threatening to withhold access to him and his family if the press continued to print negative stories about him. To lose access to William, Kate and their cute kids would not be good for the media and all the page clicks stories about William?s family would bring. But truthfully, the few highly biased stories William might deign to give the media and the little titbits of info he may occasionally throw their way will not get anywhere near as much attention as finally revealing all the sordid details of his private life. We know that from the War of the Wales? that nothing increases circulation like a good scandal. And while the press may not have exclusive access to William, Kate and the children, they will still have access to paparazzi shots (even the Cambridges need to go outside occasionally), as well as being able to photograph them at public events; there will still be a lot of photos of them to print.

Increased circulation from the scandal would be the main reason the press would finally go after William. However, there would also be another, more personal and ultimately more satisfying reason for the journalists to finally expose the truth about who William really is. They would finally, finally, be able to take down the entitled little douchebag who has treated them like shit for the last two decades; who has bullied them, derided them and made their lives as difficult as possible. The guy who would constantly complain that the media is invading his privacy, while at the same time deliberately withholding access which would curb some the press? desperation. The guy who would complain about certain pap shots, while at the same time tipping off other photographers about his family?s whereabouts when it suited his interests. The guy who told the press to hold off on publishing the first pictures of George and Charlotte together, and then put them on his own twitter account before everyone else. Yeah, that douche. Taking down that guy would be awesome.

But would Charles allow the press to go completely nuts and reveal absolutely all the sordid details about who William really is? No. Charles will still have some control (Charles, as King, will still be the gatekeeper for access to the royal family after all). He will allow these stories to be published, but at the same time will limit just how far they go. There still needs to be some respectability for the royal family, and George and Charlotte will still need to be protected. But that won?t prevent the media publishing ?opinion pieces? about how unsuitable William is to be POW. And it won?t prevent them from publishing ?rumours? or implying certain things about William?s character. They can discredit William without going too far.

On the other hand, Harry has proven himself, and will continue to prove himself to be a superior candidate for the role of POW. By the time Charles is King, Harry will have, for quite some time, been doing full time royal work. And I don?t mean just meeting celebrities, and going to gala fundraisers and all the fun stuff. Harry will be doing the everyday jobbing work or being a royal; the visits to charities, the opening of schools, attending local community events and paying respects at remembrance services. Harry will also do all the other boring ceremonial stuff; the state dinners, the trooping of the colours, the garter ceremonies, the investitures of knights and the visits to European events attended by other dignitaries and royals. He will do all the little jobs that William and Kate would view as being beneath them. Merely by Harry?s actions, and William?s inaction, Harry will show himself to be a superior candidate to William.

Furthermore Harry?s reputation will also improve when it is shown that he has been deliberately and unfairly targeted by the press for much of his life and that while Harry?s youthful mistakes and transgressions were publicised, William?s were ignored. Harry?s bad behaviour was singled out for a number of reasons. Firstly, the press needed to sell papers and the narrative of Harry as the wild younger brother would increase circulation. The press couldn?t print such stories about William as he was the heir and clearly off limits, but Harry was fair game. If the palace (Charles) had objected, I?m sure that Harry would have been more protected just as William was, but this did not happen. Secondly, Charles used Harry?s wild reputation to show that he was such a good father in dealing with his ?wayward? son. An example of this is when it was publicly revealed that Charles had sent Harry to visit a rehab facility after Harry had been caught smoking pot. Charles could have handled the matter privately and kept it out of the press, because seriously, a sixteen year old smoking a bit of pot? No big deal really. But no, Charles just had to let everybody know about Harry?s transgressions in order to show how beautifully he dealt with his fatherly responsibilities. This was a cynical ploy by Charles in order to boost his reputation after the battering it had taken in the wake of Diana?s death. Third, there was a deliberate strategy to discredit Harry in order to build William up as the responsible heir by comparison. The palace allowed this to happen as it showed the heir in a good light and the press was more than happy to go along with this as. To be so unfairly treated by the press, and at such a young age, must have been a very trying thing for Harry to go through. He was still young and vulnerable, and trying to figure out his place in this world while dealing with all this must have been very difficult.

But by far the biggest scandal for Harry has been wearing a Nazi uniform to a costume party. Holy crap did Harry screw up here. No denying it, no justifying it. It was bad. He showed seriously awful judgement here. But do you know what was not widely reported? That William also went with Harry to the costume store and encouraged him to wear the Nazi uniform. And not only that but William was looking for a ?native? costume to attend the ?Colonials and Natives? party. They didn?t have the Zulu costume William wanted, so he settled for animal skins and black leggings instead. Were the black leggings William trying to make himself look black? ? not so much black-face as black-leg? As a willing participant and the elder of the two, shouldn?t at least some of the responsibility for this have fallen on William as well?

You also have to wonder, did William deliberately encourage Harry to wear the Nazi uniform in order to make Harry look bad?  Sure, William wanted to dress like a native which is pretty bad as well, but maybe a part of him knew how much worse Harry dressing as a Nazi would be? This would be vindictive and cruel, but not out of the realm of possibility on William?s part considering that he likes to publicly make ?jokes? about how stupid Harry is. These ?jokes? William makes about Harry aren?t jokes between brothers - they are straight up insults.

The press completely ignored William?s racist costume choices. Yes, Harry wearing the Nazi uniform was the bigger story, but William?s ill judgement (and yes, some joint culpability in this situation), was completely overlooked. By completely ignoring William?s part and focusing on Harry, Harry got screwed by the press. Again. (And I?d also like to point out that Harry was only twenty years old here. Still young. Lots of people have done things they seriously regret at this age).

Then of course, there are the naked pictures in Las Vegas. Harry was a soldier about to go off to war. Possibly die. Possibly see his good friends die in front of him. He was young and having fun. You know what, he messed up. He admitted he messed up. But I think what is most important here is that Harry has acknowledged that he has made mistakes in the past; but that he has learnt and grown from those experiences; it?s what you do afterwards that counts and with his work with at risk youth, this is an admirable message. We?ll give him a pass on this one.

There is also another matter which would show Harry in a very sympathetic and admirable light if it were revealed. Harry is dyslexic. It hasn?t been officially confirmed, but Jeremy Clarkson revealed it in a tweet. But why haven?t we been told of Harry?s dyslexia? Beatrice was diagnosed when she was seven and is open about the fact that she is dyslexic and has done charity work regarding this cause. So why hasn?t Harry done this also?

I remember reading that Harry was only diagnosed when he was about to graduate from Eton. I?ve googled and searched for information trying to figure out where I first read this, but I can?t find anything.  So who knows? Might be true, might not be. But it has been known for a long time that Harry has always struggled with school and in fact had to repeat a year during prep school. Revealing that he had dyslexia when he was young might not have been the best idea; he was still a kid, he didn?t need to deal with the press making conjectures about his intelligence especially during the time when his parents were publicly at war with each other and then in the aftermath of his mother?s death. That might have been a bit much to deal with, but perhaps it might have been helpful to reveal his dyslexia when he was older and still being called a dunce; it would have taken some of the pressure off and he would have been called admirable for his struggles.

But he?s thirty now and still hasn?t revealed he?s dyslexic? That?s a bit odd. The only reason I can think of for why he hasn?t revealed his dyslexia is because there is a bit of a scandal behind it. The scandal isn?t because he?s dyslexic, but because of how long it took for his learning disorder to finally be diagnosed. If it is true that he was diagnosed so late in life, then for his entire school career his parents completely missed that fact that he had a serious learning disability.

If true, those reports that he was only diagnosed when he was about to graduate high school show his father in a really, really, REALLY bad light. That is some serious level of completely f**king over your kid through disinterest. It was known that Harry was having trouble in school for YEARS. His parents, his teachers, his educators, all missed it. He went through his entire school career thinking he was stupid, because his mother and father just did not care enough to you know, figure out what the hell was going on. This is especially bad when his cousin Beatrice had already been diagnosed with dyslexia and there is a known genetic component to the condition. And, when you take into account that Charles and Diana had access to every available resource to help him, this is unconscionable.

Now, how could the sainted Diana have missed such a thing? Harry turned thirteen a couple of weeks after Diana?s death. Certainly she was alive long enough to have picked up on this? Nope. Harry and William went to boarding school when they were seven. Diana didn?t do the school runs, she didn?t help them with homework after school, she didn?t just hang out with them and spend time with them on a day to day basis. She was only there for the holidays and weekends and fun stuff. Childrearing was outsourced.

Now for someone of her class this was considered normal. Ok fine. For her class and time it was somewhat understandable. And sure, there are some times when boarding school at seven might be appropriate; parents not being able to look after their kids because of work or illness, or kids living in on an isolated place and needing to be sent away to get a good education. Ok fine. But the fact that Diana was particularly known for being a good mother while sending her kids away to boarding school at seven when there was no compelling reason to do so. Yeah... does not compute. It doesn?t mean that Diana didn?t love her sons or enjoy spending time with them, it just means that perhaps she was not as involved in their lives as the press made out.

Charles? involvement in his sons? lives seems to have been somewhat lacking as well. Charles? alleged disinterest in the boys was widely publicised ? but this is probably more to do with Diana manipulating the press in order to make Charles look like a bad parent than anything else; Charles probably spent about as much time with the boys as Diana did. And in many ways Charles was a good father ? he seems to have shown interest in the boys lives and obviously loved and cared for them. This lack of involvement didn?t mean he didn?t love them or like spending time with them, it just means that for him it was pretty normal to send your kids away at seven and not really have much to do with them on a day to day basis. This lack of involvement continued on for the rest of Harry?s childhood and teenage years. For example - the incident where Harry was caught smoking pot happened when Harry had been left alone for two months over the summer holidays while Charles was away somewhere else with Camilla. This was after Harry had spent the whole year away at boarding school. The emotional disconnection where Charles thinks its ok to basically abandon his sixteen year old son for a year is astounding.  The public would never have supported Harry staying under the same roof as Camilla ? so Charles had to make a choice ? spending the summer with Camilla or with Harry. He chose Camilla. Charles did what he wanted to do, and showed that even though he may love his son ? Harry would never be his first priority. Charles would always put his own interests and wants above his children?s. Again, this doesn?t mean that Charles didn?t love his son, or want the best for him, it just showed where his priorities lay.

Adding on to all this is that for a large part of Harry?s childhood the War of the Wales? was going on and Charles and Diana were probably too distracted fighting one other to show much attention to their kids. In this setting it is completely understandable how Harry?s dyslexia was so overlooked. But to the ?common? person, who you know, loves their kids, raises there kids, and more than likely don?t send their kids to boarding school at 13, let alone 7, it make the royals appear in such a bad light.

So, if it were revealed that Harry had to go through the hell of undiagnosed dyslexia for pretty much his whole childhood? This would make him a very sympathetic figure. But, how to reveal the fact that Harry has dyslexia without making his father look like a complete tool? It can be done. If you are going to blame Charles for this, you also need to blame Diana and people aren?t going to want to do that. And this information could be released in such a way as to show Charles in a sympathetic light. Harry, could slowly let out dribs and drabs about his dyslexia.
?Yes I was diagnosed with dyslexia when I was younger.?
A few months later he might elaborate, ?Yes, I was in high school when I was diagnosed with dyslexia.?
A few months after that, ?Yes, I was in my last year of high school when I was finally diagnosed. I think it goes to show how difficult it can be to diagnose. I went to the best schools, and had the best teachers, and involved, loving parents, and it was still missed. It was very hard on my father when we finally received the diagnosis. He would have done anything to have made my life easier and spared me these troubles. But we just didn?t know. But, it?s something that has made me stronger. I have changed and grown so much because of my struggles.? Etc. etc.

So, Harry, a man who has worked hard for his country, who got screwed over by the press, was thrown to the wolves when his older brother was protected, and most importantly had to struggle through his whole childhood with undiagnosed dyslexia? Yes, this is a sympathetic man. There is nothing that the press and public love more than a good redemption story and Harry going from public scapegoat to the golden child is a media narrative everyone can get behind.

So, with his increasingly admirable reputation people will start to ask, ?Wait,  why shouldn?t Harry be POW? When he?s doing all the work of a POW anyway? Maybe William just isn?t suited to that kind of work. Let him focus on his family. I?m sure he?ll step up once his children are grown and he is King. Let Harry have some of the recognition, after all, he deserves it.?
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« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2015, 08:57:35 AM »

What can Harry do in order to make himself a better candidate for the role of POW?

There are some things Harry can do right now in order make his transition into the role of POW as seamless as possible. The first thing he needs to do is to separate his professional life from William?s. During Harry?s most recent trip to Africa Harry talked about all the research he had done and how he was looking forward to sharing it with his brother in order to help William with his conservation work. Hmm. Harry goes to Africa for three months, does all the legwork, and William is automatically going to benefit from all this while still doing as little as possible? That?s not cool. I?m sure Harry is more than happy to help his brother out every now and then ? that?s normal ? but you kind of reach a point where Harry helping out is really William taking advantage of him. For example, much of the charity work Harry does is under the auspices of The Royal Foundation; a foundation set up to manage the charity activities of William, Kate and Harry. However, if you go the Royal Foundation?s website you will see that the vast majority of the work that has been done for the foundation has been carried out by Harry. And in fact they do not even list all of the work Harry has done because then it would be even more obvious how little William and Kate do in comparison.

Just how much credit the Royal Foundation takes for Harry?s work was glaringly obvious during the first Invictus Games. If you went to the official Invictus Games Website, the first thing that you saw in big bold letters at the top of the page was (and I?m paraphrasing here, it was some time ago and I don?t remember the exact wording)
?The Royal Foundation of the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge and Prince Harry are proud to bring you the Invictus Games.?

The Invictus Games was entirely Harry?s doing. It was his baby. Let me repeat that? the Invictus Games was entirely Harry?s doing ? they would not even exist without him and yet, you have William and Kate claiming credit or at least partial credit in big bold letters at the top of the official website. Not only that but they had the audacity to place their names ahead of Harry?s. It?s kind of disgusting really. Fortunately, if you go to the official Invictus Games website now there is nary a mention of the Royal Foundation or William and Kate. I had hoped that this was signalling that Harry was finally separating himself from the Royal Foundation but during Harry?s most recent engagement at the Battle of Britain Memorial this was what the Court Circular released -

KENSINGTON PALACE 14th September, 2015   

Prince Henry of Wales, Patron, the Royal Foundation of The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge and Prince Harry, this evening attended a dinner for the Battle of Britain Memorial Flypast and Endeavour Fund Spitfire Scholarship at Goodwood House, Chichester, West Sussex."

Harry attended this event on his own, but the press release still managed to get William and Kate?s name in there as well. The Palace are still eager to use Harry to prop up William and Kate, which is not cool.

Ideally it would be best for Harry to remove himself from the Royal Foundation entirely and set up his own foundation. That seems to be the only way that he will be able to stop the Cambridges from taking credit for his work. There might be some grumblings about this but Harry is getting older now and it would be only natural for him to want to be more independent and strike out on his own. The Cambridges and Charles can?t really complain about that, can they?

William will also continue to try and take advantage of Harry?s popularity. I can just imagine William turning up on the first day of the next Invictus Games in Orlando to ?support? his brother. Supporting his brother is great, but when that support draws attention away from Harry and his accomplishments ? that?s not cool. Just by turning up William will draw attention away from Harry simply because he is heir to the throne and will automatically garner media attention. The story won?t be ?Harry is triumphant as he opens the Invictus Games!? it will be, ?Proud Prince William looks on as his brother opens the Invictus Games.? Not all news outlets will show such glaring favouritism, but there will be at least some headlines to this effect ? it will be unavoidable.

In this hypothetical scenario William could show support for his brother by showing up at a later date, however, I don?t know if William would listen especially when the publicity from attending will do wonders for his public profile. William does have a reputation for just doing what he wants and he gets away with it too because he is a direct heir to the throne. If William absolutely put his foot down and refused to attend at a later date, what is Harry going to do? Bar William from showing up at the games the first day and have security escort him away? Can?t do that. And I?m sure that William will think he is actually doing Harry a favour ? by turning up isn?t William giving much needed publicity to Harry?s charity? William will not see how inappropriate it is. Harry will need to learn how to refuse his brother?s ?help? and really put his foot down about it as William?s ?help? will always come with strings attached. Harry needs to keep his professional life separate from the Cambridges as they will only bring him down. No matter how hard or how difficult it will be to strike out on his own he needs to do it. He will reap the benefits eventually and it will also have the added benefit of not having to deal with William and Kate?s bullshit.

The next thing Harry needs to do is emotionally separate himself from William. This will be a very hard thing to do. Harry can still care about William and want the best for him, but Harry needs to recognise that William will not always have his best interests in mind. They can still be friendly ? and William may even extend invitations to him to visit the kids ? but Harry needs to accept that William will always sacrifice him for his own advantage. The emotional connection Harry still has to William will make it far easier for William to manipulate Harry into doing what he wants, even if it causes Harry harm. So for this reason it is essential that Harry emotionally cut ties with William.

This emotional separation already seems to be happening on its own. William has steadily been isolating himself from the royal family and this seems to have extended to Harry as well as we rarely hear reports of the brothers hanging out. Harry may have been William?s best man, but he was not made either of the children?s godparents. If the brothers were especially close you would think that Harry would be godfather to at least one of the kids by now. The Cambridges have also not released photos of the kids with Harry. It?s normal to release family snaps but when no official photos of the kids with Harry have been released it doesn?t exactly scream close happy family. Keeping Harry literally out of the picture may be because the Cambridges know that a photo of Harry with the kids will garner a lot of media attention ? perhaps even more than photos of the kids with their actual parents ? and they will not want Harry to have the publicity boost over them. Those kids are for the Cambridges to use for good press ? not Harry! It might be cynical for me to believe this, but I also think its true.

I also don?t think Harry will receive many invitations to visit the Cambridges. The main reason for this is that Harry?s increasing popularity and good press will be pissing off William no end. William was always the special little snowflake ? he was good looking, heir to the throne and always got better press than his brother, but now that the tables have turned how dare his little brother be more loved and praised than he is! William?s petulance knows no bounds and I think that this shock to William?s ego will be one of the main reasons that he will less willing to spend time with Harry. 

William will also be less inclined to extend invitations for Harry to visit the kids; namely because William doesn?t want anyone to see how good Harry is with them, but also because William will use those kids as a power play and hold access to the kids over Harry; if you don?t do what I say and/or want you won?t get to see the kids. Harry shouldn?t play those games. There?s no point. Access to the kids will always be conditional. Harry can say ? look, I?d love to see the kids anytime, let me know when I can visit them ? and leave the ball in William and Kate?s court, and if they don?t extend an invitation, its on them, not Harry.

This distance between the brothers was on show at a recent polo match Harry attended before he left for Africa. The press had been tipped off before hand that they would have the opportunity to photograph William, Kate and George at the match. While there were many photographs of George with William and Kate, and many photographs of George running around with his young cousins, there were no photographs of George with Harry. From the awkward and somewhat pained expression Harry had on his face I think that it was very clear that at some point Harry had been instructed that he was not allowed to be photographed with George. We do know that Harry and George where in close proximity to one another and it would have been very easy for them to be photographed together, we even know that they did spend time together but it was in a tent where they couldn?t be photographed. I think Harry was given very clear directions that he was not allowed to take attention away from Kate and William. This was about the Cambridges, not  Harry. Harry always looks so happy and natural with kids, and kids love him too; William and Kate didn?t want photos of Harry and George upstaging their photo op. It was far more important that their kid be photographed with them, than their kid having a great time hanging out with his cool uncle. That is f*****d up parenting; image conscious above all else. Happy loving parents would love for the fun uncle to spend time with their kid. But no, not the Cambridges. It was more important they get the good shot and the good publicity.

Harry also needs to emotionally cut ties with Charles. Yeah, this is a big one.  Again, it doesn?t mean that they can?t hang out or enjoy spending time with one another, and it doesn?t mean that Charles doesn?t love Harry, it just means that Harry needs to acknowledge that his father will never have his back 100% and that Charles will always place his own wants and needs above Harry?s. Charles has consistently sacrificed Harry at the alter in order to get good PR for himself, and has been all too willing to neglect Harry when it suited him. It?s sad, but there it is.

If I had any advice for Harry I would say that I think it is healthy to accept one?s parents limitations ? because once you accept who your parents actually are you can make peace with it and move forward; acknowledging their flaws while still appreciating their good qualities. I think this makes children (including adult children) happier once they acknowledge their parents faults, it is healthy and it stops kids from being constantly disappointed by their parents behaviour ? hoping their parents will act in a certain way ? when they never will.
I don?t really know who Harry can trust in the royal family, but it seems Harry has good aides ? and he seems to be the type of person that engenders trust in the people who work for him. So if Harry wants to find people he can truly trust, it may be best for him to look for them outside of the royal family.

Once Harry has professionally and emotionally separated himself from his family he needs to be diligent in maintaining that separation, especially in regards to the Cambridges. As William?s reputation sinks lower and lower, he will be desperate to do anything he can to shore up support for himself, which will include using and abusing Harry for his own advantage. William will manipulate Harry in any way he can ? I would hope that Harry would be able to get himself out of most of William?s schemes but there are some ploys that Harry cannot help but be snared up in. William will do such things as invite Harry to be photographed with the kids. Harry would be aware of the fact that this is a ploy for William to get good publicity for himself, but it would be impossible for Harry to turn down such an invitation without looking like a bad guy, and William knows it. Then of course Harry will be invited to various children?s birthday parties and family events where Harry will be photographed with the Cambridges. The underlying meaning of the photos being that yes, Harry thinks the Cambridges are great so you must too!

William will try to muscle in on Harry?s achievements. If Harry spends months and months preparing and organising tours or engagements overseas ? last minute William will suddenly decide that he will go with Harry too! Isn?t that great! William?s done it before. When it was revealed William had gone on a boar hunting trip in Spain just days before launching a high-profile appeal to stop the illegal hunting of Wildlife, he quite understandably, received a lot of criticism for this. It was suddenly announced that he would be attending an International Wildlife Trafficking Symposium, that he had not been scheduled to attend, but Harry had. A quick boost of good publicity for William while totally muscling in on Harry?s thing. But hopefully Harry won?t allow William to get away with these stunts for much longer. Harry will have to put his foot down. If William is worried about his reputation ? he needs to fix it himself. Not steal the goodwill, work and preparation of others in order to make himself look good. Don?t fall for it Harry. Don?t play his f**king games.

Not only will William and Charles continue to take advantage of Harry, they will think it their right to do so. Charles will be King some day, as will William. As future Kings they think that it is only right that all others serve them. And Harry will have been brought up his whole life to believe that it is his duty to serve the monarchy - and by monarchy, what they mean is the reigning king or queen. It would be very hard for him to shake the conditioning that he has had since birth, but I hope he does.

Hopefully the worse that William and Charles treat him, the more pissed off he?ll get. Hopefully he?ll reach breaking point and finally institute healthy boundaries, separating himself from his family.  But I don?t know if William or Charles will ever let it get to that point ? they will still need to use Harry for their own means and if they push too far they might lose Harry forever. I think Charles may be less willing to take advantage of Harry than William ? partly out of affection and partly because having an accomplished popular son in Harry reflects well on him.

The Cambridges are a sinking ship and Harry needs to cut himself free of all that mess. Harry needs to keep himself separate, not only from the bad PR that will be associated with the Cambridges, but because that type of situation can and will be very, very emotionally draining for him- anyone who says otherwise would be lying. Having to go through all that mess with a brother you were once close to and probably still care about on some level, is not something I would wish on anyone. Harry needs to cut himself free from all the mind games, manipulation, anger, emotional blackmail and passive aggressive behaviour William will display as he is increasingly lambasted and criticised by the media and public. That is a whirlwind of a shitstorm Harry should, emotionally, have no part in. William?s behaviour will only get worse, and far more toxic. William is an adult, and Harry needs to let William be responsible for his own behaviour and the consequences of his actions.

I?m not saying that this is going to be easy for Harry, hell no, it?s going to be hard. So f****g hard. But once he has healthy boundaries and independence from his family, he will be able to have confidence in who he is as a person separate from all them. He will finally have true independence and not be at the beck of call of his father and brother. The fact that Charles and William will always put themselves above Harry, even if may cause detriment to Harry, is a hard truth to accept ? but it needs to be done. Once this is acknowledged and accepted, and the loss of the brother and father he wished he?d had is mourned, then he can move forward. There is a power in the acceptance of the situation as it really is ? it is painful, but only then can Harry move forward as his best self.

But in truth, I don?t know if Harry will be able to save himself from the machinations of his family ? he is too emotionally enmeshed with them. They are his family after all and it would be very hard for anyone to accept that their family don?t have their best interests at heart. And I think he still doesn?t wish to disappoint his family by denying what they want of him. I don?t know if he will ever be able to completely cut emotional ties with them, but I hope that he may be able to, with time, put at least some distance between them.

And if you think this is an entirely sugary piece about Harry, it isn?t. Harry also needs to get over himself a little. Harry still makes comments about how he was pushed into this life of royal service and how he would like to stay in Africa if he didn?t have to be a prince. This is kind of ungrateful. Yeah, he has had some hardships to deal with in his life, but everyone does. His might be a little bit different to other peoples ? but everyone has hardships, and struggles and limitations placed on their lives. That is a pretty normal part of being human. Perhaps he still hasn?t fully accepted, or learnt to appreciate the fact that he has been blessed with an extremely awesome life. He doesn?t appreciate the life that he has now ? he simply wants an even more awesome life than the awesome life he already has.

And no matter how much more suitable we think Harry is ? he is still a royal. He will always have that part of him that thinks he is better than others. No matter how much more likeable Harry is than his brother? he is still a royal by birth ? raised from infancy to believe in his superiority over others. He may think he is humble, and he very well may be, but when he?s been kowtowed to his whole life there is probably at least a very small part of him that believes this. He can?t really help it. Hell, if I?d been raised royal with all that deference I?d probably think pretty well of myself as well.

And when/if Harry marries do you really think he?ll be living in some cottage? No. He?ll have a fancy country house, he will have a fancy London apartment, he will still go on fancy vacations and employ teams of servants, he will still take helicopters around the country instead of driving. He will do all that ? that is just what royals do. People may be more willing to accept Harry getting these perks because he actually seems to work ? but he will still lead the life of a posh aristo. He will still live a life far above that of the common man, and we always have to remember that this is at the heart of who he is.

I don?t even know if Harry will be able to overcome the hurdles of his upbringing. I hope he will ? but the selfishness and petulance of royalty might shine through. He was raised in the same environment as William after all. We don?t know what Harry will be or do in the future ? we can make pretty good assumptions about him now ? but it is only now at the age of thirty-one that he will be going into full time royal work properly. So we?ll soon see who he really is.
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« Reply #4 on: September 19, 2015, 08:59:31 AM »

The Backlash

No matter how much it is shown that Harry is a more suitable candidate, appointing him as POW will cause a scandal. The title of POW has been passed on to the eldest son in an unbroken line for centuries; to finally break this tradition is a drastic move and not something that can be done lightly or without consequence. However, through a combination of Harry?s hard work, press support and royal PR, the public will come to accept and even embrace the idea of Harry as the next POW. The press will of course report the scandal with glee and massive coverage but will ultimately come to support Harry and the palace in this matter; they media will not want to piss off Charles and lose access to the royal family.

There are also going to be people who object to Harry becoming the POW no matter what. ?Prince William is the heir to the throne, he should become the POW, that?s just the way it is,? they?ll argue. Fair enough. It?s like the Queen ? she could abdicate now and let Charles be King, but that?s just not how it?s done (in England at least) ? so she won?t. Unfortunately, the type of people who would object to Harry becoming the next POW for these reason are more than likely set in their ways and probably won?t ever change their minds.  But these staunch traditionalists are a small minority and more than likely old, so they won?t be around much longer to complain about it anyway.

Criticisms of such a move can also be counteracted with the argument that making Harry the next POW is an important step in modernising the monarchy. Surely forcing William to become the next POW simply because he happened to be born first is somewhat archaic? Especially since making the heir the POW is more of a tradition than a fixed rule. Isn?t shaking things up every now and then a good thing? Diana was widely praised for doing things differently and modernising the monarchy ? surely modernising the monarchy by making Harry POW is also admirable? By adapting in order to better meet the changing needs of the people, it shows that the royal family can continue to be relevant in a modern and constantly evolving Britain. A monarchy that stays the same simply stagnates, becoming redundant and useless ? and nobody wants that. There will still be a POW ? that tradition will still be observed ? they will just be doing things a little differently now.

Then there will be Diana?s supporters, who will be furious, incensed even, that their lord and saviour?s eldest son has been so cruelly treated by Charles and had his rightful title taken away from him. ?Is not this reminiscent of the very worst treatment that Charles doled out to Diana? Surely isn?t this just history repeating itself?? they?ll argue. ?Charles is just jealous! He is jealous that William is younger and better looking and more loved than he is! He is jealous that Diana?s son is getting more attention than he is, just like he was jealous when Diana got more attention than him!? they?ll cry.  Yeah, you can imagine the shitstorm. But Harry is also Diana?s son isn?t he? Wasn?t she the one whose nickname for Harry was ?Good King Harry?? Certainly even she thought Harry has what it takes? And if you want to be supportive of Diana?s sons, you cannot only be supportive of William, you also have to be supportive of Harry. If Harry proves himself to be the better candidate for the role, why not make him POW?

And of course, William will throw the mother of all hissy fits. For as much as he dislikes the actual work of royalty, he will not give up the perks and deference he believes are his by birthright. William will go on the offensive and leak various stories to the press about how unfair it all is. He will badmouth Harry to the press; publicly and privately, as much as he can. However, the criticisms of Harry won?t stick and all of William?s PR strategies will fail because Harry will have consistently worked for over a decade and shown himself to be a dedicated and useful royal, whereas William?er?yeah.

William of course will pull out his tried and true method for deflecting criticism when shit really hits the fan - he will play the victim card.  ?The press are treating me just as badly as they treated Mummy ? and they killed her! I am being cruelly targeted and victimised just like Mummy was! How dare you!? And he will use his children to deflect criticism in the same way. ?How dare you treat me so badly! My children are traumatised! TRAUMATISED! Oh the horror! Won?t you think of the children! How dare you expose my sweet innocent children to the same horrors I endured as a child! The humanity ?? etc. etc.  etc.

But you know what? If the press couches their criticisms in the fact that they are having legitimate concerns about his suitability to take on the role of POW, an important public position, then yes, the press will be fully justified in their actions, even if it may expose his children to such things. What, we?re not supposed to criticise other public figures who have important roles simply because their children might read about it in the papers? We?re not supposed to criticise Tony Blair of David Cameron because their children might read about it in the newspapers? Yeah, that doesn?t fly. If William were so concerned about his children he would have already removed himself from the line of succession.

William will need to be managed. A lot. The royals will need to work out an understanding that makes William happy, because otherwise he with bitch and complain constantly, and for the rest of his life, about how badly he was treated. William will have to be soothed by Charles and convinced that yes, he is still the most specialist boy in all the land and that yes, he is still the heir to the throne and will be King one day. And of course, as heir, he will still get all that sweet sweet dough from the Duchy of Cornwall (the income from the Duchy of Cornwall is given to the heir to the throne, not tied to the title of POW. Right now its about 30 million pounds a year). Wouldn?t it be better for Harry to take on all the small jobs, leaving William, the future king, to take on all the more important tasks? William will eventually be soothed and mollified with this line of reasoning, especially now that he doesn?t have to do all the duties he doesn?t actually want to do. If the terms are right, William will think he won (the idiot), and Harry will be invested as the next POW.

But ultimately any backlash to the move will be stifled merely by the fact that Harry is more suitable for the role. Harry will continue to acquit himself creditably in his royal duties and responsibilities, and be seen as an asset to the country. While William will increasingly be seen as more reluctant and less able to carry out such duties. There is no arguing with results and while Harry has what it takes, William, I?m afraid, does not.

How important will the monarchy be in the future?

If/when Harry is put forward as a candidate for the role of POW it will only be after the Queen has died, Charles is no longer the POW and the title has been made available. After the queen has died the reverence that the monarchy is currently held in will greatly diminish. People will not give Charles the same respect that the queen enjoyed ? they just won?t. And people will be far less likely to put up with all the crap the royal family pull.

There will be massive downsizing of the monarchy. Buckingham Palace and Windsor castle will more than likely be opened to the public and the royals will be pushed off somewhere cheaper to live. The grace and favour apartments at Kensington Palace will likely no longer be made available to royalty. Eventually the Duchies of Cornwall and Lancaster will be absorbed by the state, and grants given by the government to the royal family will be drastically cut. People will no longer be willing to fund the royal family to the tune of three hundred million pounds a year (yes, it is that much - https://republic.org.uk/s...t/files/royalexpenses.pdf  ) when they are already some of the richest people in the country.

This unwillingness to fund the royal family at current levels will be helped on by the press finally reporting how much the royals take advantage of their position. Not just the hundreds of millions of pounds they get from the government ? but from other sources as well. They get a lot of free or heavily discounted goods and services because businesses want the publicity and prestige of being associated with the royal family - and the royal family definitely take advantage of this. The queen doesn?t pay her veterinarian anything and she owns a stable of racehorses, the royals get heavily discounted leases on new Range Rovers and Audis, they get a heavy discounts on the helicopters they lease and there will be numerous, numerous other ways they take advantage of their position.

They also receive many ?gifts? from Arab sheiks and princes that are basically these rich men?s way of buying their way into the British upper echelons. When a Saudi Prince sends your wife a necklace worth a half a million pounds, and you accept it, you?re not exactly going to turn them down when they ask you to introduce them to English high society, are you? I have heard stories of Charles discreetly flogging valuable gifts from rich Arabs in order to make a few bucks, so this definitely does happen. Yeah, Charles gets 30 million pounds a year from the Duchy of Cornwall, but a prince has still got to eat and pay for his heavily discounted mates rates helicopter lease, right?

If a president or other head of state were given such discounts, freebees and gifts they would have to declare them and not be able to keep them if they were valued above a certain amount. For example, the President of the United States can only accept gifts worth a few hundred dollars. But the royal family are entirely exempt from these restrictions. This is kind of disgusting when you realise that the royal family are rather cynically using their position of Head of State for financial gain.

There are numerous other ways that the royal family take advantage of their position as well. For example if anyone dies in Cornwall without a will then the money automatically goes to the Duke of Cornwall, which is Charles. He usually donates it ? but to charities of his choosing like Gordonstoun. Ok ? a rich public school needs more money? Not exactly the worthiest of causes when there is lots of poverty and deprivation in Cornwall. There are so many ways the royal family use their position for financial gain that we just don?t know about ? and once they all come to light, people are just not going to be willing to put up with this behaviour any more.

I think that in general politicians will still wish to keep the royal family around (excepting the republicans of course). The British royal family has been an integral part of British life for a thousand years and if it suddenly disappeared people would be rightly pissed off. People still like the idea of monarchy ? the pomp, the circumstance, the history, the Britishness of it. The royal family is a part of British identity no matter how you look at it. But the willingness of politicians to put up with the royal family?s bullshit will diminish greatly. I don?t think the government would mind if they had a bit of extra money in the coffers from reducing the funding of the royal family and they wouldn?t mind the extra revenue from opening up royal properties to the public either. In truth I think they will be quite happy to reduce some of the power of the royal family ? it will make them a little easier to handle. After all, politicians know where the true power in the UK lies, with them. Keeping the royals in line might be nice for them.

So in this context it means that people are going to be less willing to put up with the royal family bullshit. It also means that the royal family are going to have to hang on by their fingernails if they want to hold on to even a small vestige of their old life. People aren?t going to put up with a shitty POW in William and they just aren?t going to give the royal family the same leeway they have had while the Queen was alive.

Today the royal family just aren?t treated with the same respect and deference that they once were ? now people view royalty as celebrities more than anything else. The public might show as much interest in the royal family as they would to what a famous actress wore to a movie premiere, or who a pop star had started dating. When William and Kate toured New Zealand, the Prime Minister didn?t justify the trip as an important step in the New Zealand people getting to know their future head of state, he justified the expense of the trip by saying that it brought a lot of attention to New Zealand?s tourism industry. The Cambridges fulfilled the role of a celebrity who had been hired to star in an advertising campaign.

So when we take into account the fact the royal family will not be held in such high esteem as it used to, and that the royal family will be given far less leeway, William?s lack of interest in the role of POW will be far less acceptable to the general public.  The monarchy will be greatly ? even drastically ? reduced in scope and influence, and the royal family will need to do everything it can to hang on to even a vestige of their old life. In these circumstances you can understand why the royal family would do anything it could to hold on to whatever power it can ? including making Harry POW.

Conclusion

Making Harry the next POW would be a bold and unprecedented move, but one which would ultimately ensure the continued relevance and popularity of the monarchy within the United Kingdom. Charles may have some reservations about breaking the long standing tradition of appointing the heir as POW, but will ultimately come to support the idea, especially when it is shown to be in the best interests of the monarchy and the country itself.

Harry?s reputation will only improve when he proves himself to be a hard working, dedicated and enthusiastic representative of the United Kingdom. People will come to see Harry in a more sympathetic light when it is shown that he was deliberately targeted by the press for unfair treatment and that he had to struggle with undiagnosed dyslexia through his entire childhood. The goodwill he generates will make the public more willing to accept his past transgressions and he will be seen as an admirable candidate for the role of POW because of the struggles he has faced and overcome, as well as the great successes he has achieved in life. The backlash to such a move will, of course, need to be handled delicately; the public will need to be placated, as will William, but it can be done.

It is not only possible but a necessity for the continued success and survival of the British royal family that Harry become the next POW. In whatever form the modern monarchy may take, it needs to show its relevance and worth to the British people. The royals can no longer be allowed to be ineffectual nobodies who do nothing. That might have flown in the past; but not today. If you are going to convince us that the monarchy is still worthwhile, you need to show it. We?re not just going to keep you around for no reason. If you can?t contribute to modern Britain, then what the hell is the point of you? And Harry as POW will be a big part of showing just how valuable and relevant the monarchy is and can continue to be to the people of the United Kingdom.

So? Harry as the next POW? Not totally out of the realm of possibility?
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« Reply #5 on: September 19, 2015, 09:05:32 AM »

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Unknown Factors

There are also other factors, which aren?t integral to Harry becoming the next POW, but may help him along a bit.

If Harry were to marry someone amazing it would greatly add to his appeal and suitability to be the next POW. Harry doesn?t need to be married to be considered a viable candidate for POW, but if he does marry a distinguished woman, then that would be simply another added factor as to why it would be more suitable for him to be POW.  If he were to marry someone like Maxima who is an accomplished, attractive, intelligent, multilingual star; or someone like Rania, known for her international humanitarian work and glamour (Who I think was one of the big reasons her husband was unexpectedly made king. Because seriously, look at her, that?s a queen.); or Letizia, a professional, beautiful, hardworking woman who has had to put up with a lot but is in a clearly loving and mutually supportive relationship with Felipe. If Harry were to marry someone of this calibre, who was a true inheritor of Diana?s mantle, that would just be another reason why he would be more suitable for the role. There is also the practical aspect of taking on a wife. There are some official engagements, such as weddings and state dinners, were it would be more suitable to send a couple. And a Princess of Wales will also be able to take on duties independently from Harry increasing the number of engagements they can take on as representatives of the United Kingdom. An amazing wife and partner would be an invaluable asset to any POW.

And if Harry were to marry, the publicity from the match would boost his media profile exponentially. Female royals will always get more attention than their male counterparts ? that is just the way it is. The publicity boost from their wedding alone would be monumental. There would be massive, massive, media interest in his new wife, her clothes, her jewellery and her charitable work. There would be endless media stories about their love story, their marriage and eventually their babies. Can you imagine photos of Harry playing with his adorable redheaded babies as his beautiful wife looks on? That would be unbeatable. This increased media profile would go a long way in garnering support for making him the next POW.

There is also the matter of William having chosen an unsuitable wife in Kate. Yes, she is unsuitable. She has done some good things for the monarchy ? had two babies, worn some pretty clothes, done the occasional tour and charity appearance; but she hasn?t done anything amazing either. And whatever good she may have done has been cancelled out by her screw ups; the naked thing, the repeated flashing of her butt, wearing skirts that are too short, wearing tops that are too low, twirling her hair during solemn remembrance services and various other actions which have not shown her in the best light.

And the way Kate conducts herself on her various appearances ? well lets just say people have very low expectations regarding said appearances. Kate rarely does engagements on her own; she rarely does speeches; she cannot really be trusted to do solo engagements and I don?t know if she ever will be. She is happy to stay at home with the kids, and go to the occasional gala or tennis match. Let her do that as she?s not really capable of doing much more. It?s gotten to the point where if she doesn?t flash someone and doesn?t obviously mess up, then it is considered a success. This should not be the standard for a Princess of Wales, let alone a consort to the future King. Success in not merely the absence of fu**ing up; success is adding something extra to your role and improving it. I think of Maxima, Rania and Letizia as being ?value added? consorts in that they are not considered successful merely for showing up and literally covering their asses. They bring something more to their roles and actively contribute to their causes and interests. Kate is value neutral at best, at worst, she is, value negative. And I?m afraid to say, she is increasingly becoming an embarrassment to the royal family.

Again, there is also the matter of the Middletons being ?unsuitable. There is much about the Middletons that is known but has not generally been reported; the fact that they have cynically manipulated the press for years in order to push Kate as the official royal girlfriend and later wife; how they use their connection to the royal family to promote themselves and their business ventures; how they have used their royal connections to get a lot of free goods, services and other perks; how Party Pieces doesn?t actually make enough money to support the lifestyle they lead and the truth about where their money really comes from. These are not good things for Prince William to be associated with considering the Middletons are the family of the future Princess of Wales. Yeah, it?s not so bad in that they are not directly related to William the heir, but it doesn?t look good either.

There is also growing discontent within the royal family regarding William and Kate?s behaviour. The way that William and Kate have cut off the rest of the royal family from Christenings and other events, how the other members view William and Kate?s lack of work, and the terrible way that Kate has treated Beatrice and Eugenie. The royals will never publicly confirm their dislike of William and Kate, but, if such rumours were ?accidentally? leaked, it would just be a further signal that yes, even the royal family think William and Kate are assholes.

Finally, the matter of the Cambridge?s extravagant lifestyle doesn?t really help their popularity; especially in cases where it is funded by the taxpayer. Taking helicopters everywhere, spending millions of pounds on two grand homes (one of which they barely use) and going on numerous vacations to exclusive destinations doesn?t exactly endear them to the common man. Considering how little work they do and how much they receive in return, they are proving to be two of the most canny welfare recipients in the United Kingdom. People have generally come to accept that this is the way royals do things, but it doesn?t mean we have to like it. Especially when their extravagant lifestyle is constantly thrown in the public?s face and the Cambridges seem to be doing very little to deserve such perks. NOT a good look.
 
P.P.S. I haven?t posted much here before ? I used to post on enclave 24 occasionally before it got shut down. But I?ve pretty much always been a lurker. I was interested in Kate and William and the wedding? hell, I?m a girl and I like reading about pretty clothes and tiaras and all that fun stuff. But I just got more and more jaded with them. I?m basically just writing all this down so I can get it out of my head and I don?t have to think about it anymore.
And I probably won?t hang around the British royal threads much anymore ? William and Kate no longer interest me, and reading about how they are using and abusing Harry would just piss me off. So cheers and au revoir. I?ll probably just follow Victoria, Estelle and the new baby now. They look way more fun.
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« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2015, 09:10:27 AM »

It looks like my formatting is a bit screwy and question marks are turning up where other punctuation should go. If you tell me how to fix it I'll be more than willing to sort it out. Thanks.
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« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2015, 09:18:23 AM »

Wales  is a Principality and therefore the Queen as Princess could not be made Princess of Wales. It' an hereditary and all children of the POW is referred to as Prince - Princess of Wales. I cannot think of a male heir to the throne who was not POW. As the Prince of Wales always becomes King there is a lot of tradition here. I don't think the Welsh would wear it frankly.
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« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2015, 10:51:14 AM »

When Charles becomes king, William will automatically become the Duke of Cornwall, but he won't be Prince of Wales unless the title is bestow upon him by his father. Having said that, the title can only be given to the heir apparent, i.e. a person who cannot be displaced in the line of succession. Apparently the reason Princess Elizabeth wasn't given the title in 1936 was that she was "only" the heiress presumptive, as her parents could theoretically still have had a son. As far as I'm aware, no female has ever held the title of "Princess of Wales" in her own right, though that could change in the future, e.g. If George's first child is a girl.

Harry could only be PoW if something truly catastrophic happened to the Cambridges and their children.
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Hello and welcome HarryFan! Another time perhaps you should consider linking to such a long post - the essay format isn't really what we do here Smiley
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« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2015, 04:45:37 PM »

Hi Maria. Thanks for your advice. It looks like it's too late to modify my long posts.  Sad  I wouldn't mind if you removed them. I knew it was long when I posted it and I don't want the length of the posts to interfere with the discussion about whether Harry should become the next POW, because I think it would a fun one to have. I just needed to get it out of my head. The Cambridges are just pissing me off so much   Ranting and Harry would be a much much better POW than William.  Jumping
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« Reply #11 on: September 19, 2015, 05:12:29 PM »

Wales  is a Principality and therefore the Queen as Princess could not be made Princess of Wales. It' an hereditary and all children of the POW is referred to as Prince - Princess of Wales. I cannot think of a male heir to the throne who was not POW. As the Prince of Wales always becomes King there is a lot of tradition here. I don't think the Welsh would wear it frankly.

The royal family actually did seriously consider making Elizabeth the Princess of Wales when it was clear that her father wouldn't have any more children, but in the end they just didn't bother with it. Now that firstborn female children can inherit the throne I think it would be very odd if the title was not legally allowed to be given to a female heir. It's true that all male heirs eventually get made POW, but Prince Charles was not officially made POW until many years after the Queen ascended the throne. So while he was eventually made heir, the country managed fine for many years when there was no official POW, just like the country managed just fine when there was no POW because Elizabeth was a girl. It is very possible to delay, delay, delay making William the POW for a very long time, and by then he might have bowed out of the line of succession anyway (a girl can hope).

There is also a clear distinction between who the official Prince of Wales is, and the children of the POW. There is only one official POW. Charles official title is "THE Prince of Wales"  whereas his children are referred to as being merely from Wales. For example, Harry's title is Prince Harry of Wales.

The Welsh are a very proud people but I don't know if they would mind too much if there wasn't a POW. Especially an English one. And in truth I don't think the Welsh being unhappy about there not being a POW would affect things much anyway. Maybe if Charles was especially fond of the Welsh culture and promoted it, they would mind if they didn't have someone to carry that on, but does Charles even speak fluent Welsh? Is he particularly involved in Welsh culture? I don't know.
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« Reply #12 on: September 19, 2015, 05:18:22 PM »

I would trust Jonathan on this topic. He is Welsh himself Smiley
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« Reply #13 on: September 19, 2015, 05:31:29 PM »

I would trust Jonathan on this topic. He is Welsh himself Smiley

Good to know! I bow to his superior knowledge.
It's good to hear from an actual Welshman on the subject! 
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« Reply #14 on: September 19, 2015, 06:48:41 PM »

I thought I made it clear, sorry if I didn't. The heir is The Prince of Wales and the children are Prince/Princess - of Wales. We have never had a Princess of Wales in her own right and I have never heard that it was considered that the Queen as a Princess was to be given this honour,

It is a tradition going back to Henry the 2nd, I think, and it has never changed. There has been some discussion about the title but George turned out to be George and not Enid......

Prince Charles does speak a little Welsh and he and Camilla have a fisherman cottage on the west coast in an almost purely Welsh speaking area.

If you want a real surprise Kate is the most fluent Welsh speaker in the royal family.

The Queen announced when Charles was 10 that he would be created POW. We don't have a constitution and this country lives by the rule of law and tradition. Traditions change but not that much in Wales.

Also Wales is the most republican of the union and the country have very few hereditary titles or public schools.
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