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« Reply #75 on: March 17, 2017, 02:56:20 AM »



And Onar, 16th century would be great!! Ottoman empire ruled lands from Greece to the gates of Vienna


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I mentioned this because he sees himself as a sultan, as I said before.

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« Reply #76 on: March 17, 2017, 06:56:40 AM »

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« Reply #78 on: March 17, 2017, 11:01:03 AM »

It's calling any country nazi after how the Great Mufti acted in WW2

Did Geerts Wilder do well in the election?
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« Reply #79 on: March 17, 2017, 11:18:33 AM »

It's calling any country nazi after how the Great Mufti acted in WW2

Did Geerts Wilder do well in the election?

Less well than he hoped for/expected.

After four election defeats in a row, the PVV won this time. The party gained 20 seats in the Tweede Kamer, that are five more than in the elections four years ago.

Wilders was not the greatest, as he hoped. The PVV wanted to pass the VVD  as the largest party in the Netherlands, but Wilders comes with this result not even near VVD leader Mark Rutte. "I'm standing here with the mood of a winner," he said at election night at one o'clock. Wilders wants to win a place at the negotiating table. But he was realistic: the next four years  his party is again in the opposition.

With this result the Netherlands is not the next country to fall for the rise of populism, after Brexit and the election of Donald Trump as president of the US That was, especially in an international perspective, the big underlying question of this election. Wilders may present themselves now less convincing as the pioneer of the global "patriotic spring." From abroad sounded mostly relieved reactions, especially around the German government.

Source: NRC

English language wikipedia about the Dutch elections:
https://en.wikipedia.org/...ch_general_election,_2017

At least four parties will be required to form a coalition with a majority. Media sources reported that Mark Rutte would seek to form a government with the support of the D66 and CDA, with at least one further coalition member required. Current minister of health Edith Schippers was selected by the VVD to serve as the party's informateur on 16 March, seeking to determine whether Jesse Klaver of GroenLinks (GreenLeft) simply desired a left-wing government or simply viewed the VVD as an unlikely coalition partner, and similarly probing Emile Roemer of the Socialist Party (SP), who had repeatedly stated during the campaign that his party would not govern with the VVD.

The leaders of the D66, CDA, PvdA, VVD, SP, Groenlinks and Christen Unie (Christian Union) have all stated that they will not enter a coalition with the PVV, and Roemer has also said that the SP will not form a coalition with the VVD.
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« Reply #80 on: March 17, 2017, 03:12:12 PM »

I feel it should be added that while Wilders is mostly known for his anti-Islam retoric, he's also an opponant to the EU and the EU-positive parties won an overwhelming victory if you add their numbers. I feel everything is turn into pro- or anti-Islam these days; it is not all we discuss in Europe and all that the rightwing parties are arguing for.
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« Reply #81 on: March 17, 2017, 09:28:37 PM »

According to the media Erdogan stated, during a rally speech, that European Turks should go for more children (per family). It mentioned that 5 kids would be good. It sounds like he want to increase his power by populating Europe with (European) Turks, who are expect to be loyal to Turkey....
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« Reply #82 on: March 17, 2017, 11:02:36 PM »

According to the media Erdogan stated, during a rally speech, that European Turks should go for more children (per family). It mentioned that 5 kids would be good. It sounds like he want to increase his power by populating Europe with (European) Turks, who are expect to be loyal to Turkey....



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« Reply #83 on: March 18, 2017, 12:10:32 AM »

According to the media Erdogan stated, during a rally speech, that European Turks should go for more children (per family). It mentioned that 5 kids would be good. It sounds like he want to increase his power by populating Europe with (European) Turks, who are expect to be loyal to Turkey....



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In Turkey, women have to have 3 children Snare

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Since when? Of course Tayyip wants them to have three or more but almost no-one I know has three from the younger generation.

There are couples who are childless by choice and then again there are religiously conservative couples who want several children.

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« Reply #84 on: March 18, 2017, 05:02:39 AM »

Well, in Germany, there are a lot of Turks who have 3+ children. Conservative, with low education, living in all-turk areas, barely speaking a word German even after living her for more than 10 years, not wanting their children to mingle with others etc., claiming that our public schools should provide Koran lessons, ban pork from school meals and the like.
In other words those who left Turkey just to settle here and try to transform Germany into Little Turkey while enjoying the German perks.
Give the surroundings in which their children grow up, they are most likely to end up living on welfare as well or get criminal.

While there are, on the other hand, a lot of Turks of the second generation, well integrated, educated, contributing to society, who despise this behaviour of their kin. Those will mostly have only one or two children, as they wish their children to get a good education as well, which they can afford only for 1 or 2.

And this is the real danger: the parallel societies growing bigger and bigger.

Erdogan just adds fuel to the fire by encouraging the first mentioned to claim, claim, claim from and on the other hand insult the body that feeds them. And this body (i.e. the German government) is still stupid enough to let that happen and pay out welfare unconditionally.

We Germans are strange folks. Overprotecting each and every minority, and meanwhile forgetting the needs and wishes of the vast majority which has to work for all those taxes which pay for the minority cuddling.

Turks want to vote for a government in Turkey? Fine. But why has Germany to provide room for campaigns and polling offices?
There are similar big communities of spanish or greek citizens in Germany (descendants of the first generation of Gastarbeiter,) - but it is absolutely unheard of similar problems. Because when they want to vote, they just do it by mail.
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« Reply #85 on: March 18, 2017, 09:17:02 PM »

What I find interesting (or disturbing) is that the Erdogan party in the Netherlands has succeeded in gaining seats too. What Erdogan and people like him seem to attempt is not only rally support for their election at home in those other countries, in which they insist on doing their campaigns but quite apparently they can also form parties here and make the "supporters" vote for those parties here.
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« Reply #86 on: March 18, 2017, 10:32:17 PM »

Well, in Germany, there are a lot of Turks who have 3+ children. Conservative, with low education, living in all-turk areas, barely speaking a word German even after living her for more than 10 years, not wanting their children to mingle with others etc., claiming that our public schools should provide Koran lessons, ban pork from school meals and the like.
In other words those who left Turkey just to settle here and try to transform Germany into Little Turkey while enjoying the German perks.
Give the surroundings in which their children grow up, they are most likely to end up living on welfare as well or get criminal.

While there are, on the other hand, a lot of Turks of the second generation, well integrated, educated, contributing to society, who despise this behaviour of their kin. Those will mostly have only one or two children, as they wish their children to get a good education as well, which they can afford only for 1 or 2.

And this is the real danger: the parallel societies growing bigger and bigger.

Erdogan just adds fuel to the fire by encouraging the first mentioned to claim, claim, claim from and on the other hand insult the body that feeds them. And this body (i.e. the German government) is still stupid enough to let that happen and pay out welfare unconditionally.

We Germans are strange folks. Overprotecting each and every minority, and meanwhile forgetting the needs and wishes of the vast majority which has to work for all those taxes which pay for the minority cuddling.

Turks want to vote for a government in Turkey? Fine. But why has Germany to provide room for campaigns and polling offices?
There are similar big communities of spanish or greek citizens in Germany (descendants of the first generation of Gastarbeiter,) - but it is absolutely unheard of similar problems. Because when they want to vote, they just do it by mail.


Not to start a big political thing but a lot of families ( not all obviously) from Mexico and South America do the same in the US.
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« Reply #87 on: March 19, 2017, 03:14:17 AM »



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« Reply #88 on: March 20, 2017, 03:38:21 AM »

" Erdogan?s supporters may describe Turkey?s president as strong, but they are wrong. After 14 years in power, Erdogan can at best claim to have half his country?s support, and many of those individuals support him only because of patronage."

https://uk.news.yahoo.com...uses-dutch-042002437.html

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« Reply #89 on: March 20, 2017, 04:35:25 PM »

In the media it was said that according to a spokeperson of Erdogan Turkish ministers will possibly go to Germany again.

http://www.nu.nl/buitenla...-campagne-referendum.html
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