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« Reply #15 on: April 13, 2013, 07:45:40 PM »

I get what you are saying dbc, the optics of her support was bad and if Sofia was to be pictured with any of the the Urdangarins, it should have been the kids and maybe just Cristina and for me family member means blood relation, if you are a married in you're on your own if you do anything illegal.

My uncle was convicted of corruption, he was an air force officer and he was the patsy for high ranking officers, he was convicted for corruption perpetuated by generals so I understand Sofia's need to show public support but the most she should have done was tell Inaki and Cristina that believed they were innocent and give them emotional support.

I'm sorry for what happened with your uncle, it must have hurt the whole family badly, l hope you all recovered from what happened.  Hug
l think you should give support to a family member in trouble, of any kind, but not hurt others while doing so.   
in the case of Sofia, as the Queen, she should have known better if not for the Spanish people, then for her son, with her publicly supporting her son in-law, she linked his corruption with the monarchy, and risked not only Felipe's future but Leonor's also.
 
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« Reply #16 on: April 13, 2013, 09:34:43 PM »

Thanks dbc   Hug

We're all good now, it was just so hard at the time to see him suffer so much.

But yes you are right, Sofia should have thought about how her actions would reflect on Felipe and the infantitas, she forgot that in this situation she is a queen first and a mother second.
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« Reply #17 on: April 13, 2013, 10:40:00 PM »

IMO if JC wants to preserve the monarchy, he should abdicate asap. But that'll happen only if he puts the monarchy ahead of himself, and I don't think he is capable of putting anyone or anything ahead of himself Thumb down
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« Reply #18 on: April 13, 2013, 11:06:03 PM »

JC did a lot for Spain: he guided the country to democracy when he could have held on to the dictatorship Franco left, l read somewhere Franco raised him to be his successor from the time JC was a child (there was some sort of pact between JC dad and Franco, who didn't have sons of his own) and he also defended the Spanish democracy again in 1981, there was an attempted coup to overthrow the government on February 23 , so l do think he has shown he has the ability to think of his country before himself, l just think his too old and forgot that a king has to earn his position & justify it to his people.
I'm not from Spain so if someone here is & l made a mistake my understanding of Spain's history, I'm sorry & please correct me. Wink         
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« Reply #19 on: April 13, 2013, 11:21:54 PM »

JC did a lot for Spain: he guided the country to democracy when he could have held on to the dictatorship Franco left, l read somewhere Franco raised him to be his successor from the time JC was a child (there was some sort of pact between JC dad and Franco, who didn't have sons of his own) and he also defended the Spanish democracy again in 1981, there was an attempted coup to overthrow the government on February 23 , so l do think he has shown he has the ability to think of his country before himself, l just think his too old and forgot that a king has to earn his position & justify it to his people.
I'm not from Spain so if someone here is & l made a mistake my understanding of Spain's history, I'm sorry & please correct me. Wink         
Thank you for that, dbc. He may well have been able to do it in the past, but I don't think he's capable of it anymore.
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« Reply #20 on: April 14, 2013, 01:47:53 AM »

maybe yes it's time to give Felipe chance and maybe her can solve this mess.
on the other hand i think the situation is little complicated and sush move could harm monarchy even more.
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« Reply #21 on: April 14, 2013, 02:24:25 AM »

I'm sure JC wants to get out on a high rather than a low. He probably wants to wait for the tide to turn. Unfortunately for him, his health won't allow him to do more to earn back the respect he lost. The only thing he can hope for is time for the headwind to blow by and for people to forget. Just like QEII after Diana's death. But I'm not sure he has that much time left.
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« Reply #22 on: April 14, 2013, 02:29:39 AM »

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IN 1496 a Spanish infanta, Juana of Castile, sailed with 15,000 men to the Habsburg Netherlands to marry Philip the Handsome. Spanish courtiers returned home shocked at their hosts’ booze-soaked, lax morals. Juana later went mad. But her son, Charles V, had a better fate: he became ruler of a mighty European empire that included both countries.

More than five centuries on, machinations related to another infanta, King Juan Carlos’s daughter, Cristina, are again shocking courtiers. A magistrate named her on April 3rd as a suspect in an investigation into alleged corruption and tax fraud by her husband, Iñaki Urdangarín (who denies the accusations).

The past year has been bad for the 75-year-old Juan Carlos. He publicly apologised for sneaking off on a freebie elephant hunt in Botswana while his subjects struggled with recession and unemployment. Questions were asked in parliament about his relationship with Corinna zu Sayn-Wittgenstein, a divorced German businesswoman, who was also in Botswana at the time. She claims to have carried out secret, pro bono work for Spain but denies any improper relationship with the married monarch.

The infanta is due to appear before an investigating magistrate in Palma at the end of this month to explain how much she knew about the allegedly dodgy dealings of her husband. There is no indictment yet. But the city has already renamed a street that bore their joint title of Dukes of Palma de Mallorca.

With his popularity at an all-time low, rumours abound that the king may abdicate. Many point to the Netherlands, where a popular monarch is doing just that. Queen Beatrix, born only 26 days after Juan Carlos, will step down at the end of the month, following a tradition of abdication established by her mother, Juliana, and grandmother, Wilhelmina.

As relative latecomers to royalty—the first Orange-Nassau became king only in 1815—the Dutch royals have developed keen political antennae. Beatrix will leave the monarchy sounder than when she acceded. In 1966 protesters threw smoke bombs during her wedding to Claus von Amsberg, a German diplomat who had served in the Hitler Youth as a teenager. In the late 1970s her father, Prince Bernhard, was chastised for accepting over a million dollars in payments from an aircraft maker. Anarchists and squatters threw bricks at Beatrix’s investiture in 1980, demanding public housing.

A lawyer by training, Beatrix has gradually put such things behind her. She has been a fixture on state trade missions, sporting an imposing hat, and takes a keen interest in international policy. She has tried to pass her seriousness on to her son Willem-Alexander, once known as Prins Pils thanks to his fondness for a good time and a pint. A tragedy revealed how popular the royal family has become: early last year Willem-Alexander’s younger brother, Friso, was caught in an avalanche in Austria while skiing and left in a coma, eliciting an outpouring of public sympathy.

The Netherlands retains a reservoir of republican sentiment, both on the liberal right and on the left. But when Diederik Samsom, the Labour Party leader, was asked recently whether he still believed the monarchy should be abolished, it was only with visible embarrassment that he admitted he did.

Spain’s monarchy is more fragile than its Dutch counterpart. The country has had two republics. Kings have reigned for only half of the past 90 years. Juan Carlos was put on the throne at the behest of Franco in 1975. His great virtue, acknowledged even by republicans, is to have helped to foster a peaceful transition to democracy. Yet most Spaniards favour his abdication as the family’s popularity is waning.

At a recent royal dinner for international Olympic officials, Prince Felipe, the crown prince, standing in for his convalescent father, was self-assured and knowledgeable. He is obviously well-prepared for the top job. But will his father think to stand down?

From the print edition: Europe

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« Reply #23 on: April 17, 2013, 01:55:03 AM »

This is great, LS. Star  I absolutely think that it's time for JC to abdicate.  There's no way he can redeem himself after these recent scandals; not in this economic climate. No  If he has any hope for monarchy to continue in Spain, he needs to quietly step down.  Felipe needs to take the throne in a very low-key no-frills manner.  That's the only hope they have, IMO.  Things can't go on like this.  It's only a matter of time before the people of Spain say "no mas". 
I absolutely agree. Let JC tender his resignation and allow Felipe the best prepared heir inherit the role now. JC's health and reputation are not helping him to do his best for Spain at this point in time. Have a low key ceremony like JC's and allow the new generation to take on the challenges of the role. JC and Sofia have prepared their son and daughter-in-law for this task and IMO this pair is ready. Yes
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« Reply #24 on: April 17, 2013, 02:05:13 AM »

The Spanish people have been duped.  I'm sad for Spain.  Angry
Juan-Carlos needs to first take all the flack and finish with the Inaki and Cristina investigation.
Once it is over (though the smell of it will linger)  I think that Juan-Carlos needs to abdicate.
His health is not good and he doesn't have the integrity and energy to positively influence the Spanish Royal Family into a more useful role for the Spanish people.

Felipe and Letizia need to restore the trust of the Spanish people in their Monarchy.
It won't be easy but it will be impossible with Juan-Carlos at the helm.   
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