Why Is Crown Princess Mary Hated So Much?

[CD.]

For me it was the way Mary went after Fred. The Danish Handball party and her crashing that, the Granny letters, the loping off of Sarah Murdoch's head in the photo with her,the past boyfriends and how they all seemed to offer some perks and the elimination of her past. Also the way Beatrice was treated. Also the fact that Bettina was in the picture yet she still pursued him.

I never really cared that she met him in a Pub or wasn't a Royal or Danish.

Then when she married she never really seemed to really do anything substantial in her role except produce kids(which maybe the only thing she has to do). Signing the PreNup is something I hated in all the Royal girls.

Remember a few of us here were actually watching and seeing all of this courtship to today( in Nov 01 on RB).


We have been here a long time.

[jusaca]

Mary doesn't acknowledge the path she walked from a very humble background (look at the sister's nose stud, the father's crass public demanour, the relative in jail, etc) into mega-wealth.

She put her nose in the air, talks with a pretend posh accent that is so phony you feel uncomfortable hearing her speak, and looks down on people more worthy than she was.

Plus - and this really gets me - she hasn't made friends in Denmark as she should have.  After all, it's her permanent home now.  No, Mary maintains these one-sided friendships with people from her former life in Australia, including that sleazy Amber Petty. 

These friendships aren't about Mary wanting to stay grounded  - she couldn't give a toss about Kylie or Amber's daily lives.  It's all about rubbing their faces in her rich life, and the pay off for them is they can say they are friends with a Euro-princess. It's a form of abuse when you think it through.

Plus, Mary has no interests other then her appearance.  Soo-o-o crass.  She should be contributing to the arts in some way, working to bring educational opportunities to lower income kids, working to benefit mental health programmes for teenagers, whatever.  But no, she has the cliche 'battered wives' shelter which is frankly a complete joke when you look at her husband's recreational pursuits.

And lastly, but I bet you I'll be back with more ... ( ), she doesn't look happy.  She's a lower middle class bogan from Hobart for God's sake, bloody Hobart, who fell on her feet big time, and can't even look happy about it. 

Remember your grandma's old saying - you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.... that's Mary.  Oink.

[orange]

I don't know if everyone here hates Mary as such - that might be too strong a word. Personally, I don't hate her, but don't particularly like her either. I initially got sucked into the Mary hype in Oz but quickly got tired of the onslaught of "MARY IS SO AMAZING" in the media here. When I joined RB and learned more about Starmakers, the Nanna letters, saw more pics of her pre-engagement 'fashion', I started seeing past the sanitized image. I have no problem with her being middle class or average, and most of my vitriol back on RB was aimed at the way a lot of people in Oz (and a few on RB) chose to see her as a some sort of supremely accomplished perfect saint. Now I mostly feel sorry for her and am starting to see her more as a seriously insecure average woman who tried to 'better' her lot in life by manipulating her initial interactions with Fred (and probably buying into her own fairytale view of their courtship) and is now paying the price for it.

[Marianne]

Mary doesn't acknowledge the path she walked from a very humble background (look at the sister's nose stud, the father's crass public demanour, the relative in jail, etc) into mega-wealth.

She put her nose in the air, talks with a pretend posh accent that is so phony you feel uncomfortable hearing her speak, and looks down on people more worthy than she was.

Plus - and this really gets me - she hasn't made friends in Denmark as she should have.  After all, it's her permanent home now.  No, Mary maintains these one-sided friendships with people from her former life in Australia, including that sleazy Amber Petty. 

These friendships aren't about Mary wanting to stay grounded  - she couldn't give a toss about Kylie or Amber's daily lives.  It's all about rubbing their faces in her rich life, and the pay off for them is they can say they are friends with a Euro-princess. It's a form of abuse when you think it through.

Plus, Mary has no interests other then her appearance.  Soo-o-o crass.  She should be contributing to the arts in some way, working to bring educational opportunities to lower income kids, working to benefit mental health programmes for teenagers, whatever.  But no, she has the cliche 'battered wives' shelter which is frankly a complete joke when you look at her husband's recreational pursuits.

And lastly, but I bet you I'll be back with more ... ( ), she doesn't look happy.  She's a lower middle class bogan from Hobart for God's sake, bloody Hobart, who fell on her feet big time, and can't even look happy about it. 

Remember your grandma's old saying - you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.... that's Mary.  Oink.

Out of topic, but in Denmark all education is for free the ordinary schools and the universities

[Sondra Finchley]

I'll just chime in here as another American and a recent member (although longtime royalty watcher)

I used to think that Mary and Fred were the "glamorous" royal couple of Scandinavia - that she was pretty decent looking and dressed nice and he was handsome and they made a nice looking couple.  I LOVED Alexandra because she was so accomplished and seemed to work hard, but when Mary came onto the scene I wasn't paying as much attention at the time and only caught photos here and there that made me think "wow, that is a good looking couple and they seem to be in love and look like a CP couple".  This was maybe in 2004 or 05.

Fast-forward to 2010 and given the hype around Vikkan of Sweden's wedding (as I have a Swedish partner and his mom saves her copies of Svensk Damtidning for me) and my (then) personal distaste for Daniel Westling, and also everything around Kate Middleton, I started poking around online for royalty forums.  I found the Sugars and was promptly turned off of that site.  I've always felt the same way about Kate and it seemed like you couldn't have a dissenting opinion over there so.... I ended up on this forum.

I've always gotten a kick out of the Danish royal family because the Swedes can be a little on the dull side, but WOW was this place an eye opener for sure!  I used to think Mares was so lucky in meeting Fred in a bar in Sydney or wow that was so romantic ..... lord how naive was I!  And initially I was a little skeptical that perhaps this forum was a little too harsh on Mary, until I started reading the evidence and links, saw the photos, and started coming to my own opinions.  Maybe I am a good test case of how a good image, as Mary has cultivated, can do wonders for the surface readers, but you scratch the surface just a little bit and it is shocking what you will find.  The day the Danish press turn on her, she's over.

I wouldn't say I hate Mary but she hasn't done anything for me to respect her either.  I didn't like Daniel because of his damn hair and that he didn't appear to be all that intelligent but...I am coming around on him (his Christmas speech was quite good).  Time will tell.  I REALLY don't like Kate Middleton at all and see the same things you do, but I guess we can only wait and see... and dish

[Hester]

Welcome Sondra! 

If that's your real name, I strongly suggest you come back with a username. There are some serious stalker trolls on the royalty boards. 

[Jazzy]

I'll just chime in here as another American and a recent member (although longtime royalty watcher)

I used to think that Mary and Fred were the "glamorous" royal couple of Scandinavia - that she was pretty decent looking and dressed nice and he was handsome and they made a nice looking couple.  I LOVED Alexandra because she was so accomplished and seemed to work hard, but when Mary came onto the scene I wasn't paying as much attention at the time and only caught photos here and there that made me think "wow, that is a good looking couple and they seem to be in love and look like a CP couple".  This was maybe in 2004 or 05.

Fast-forward to 2010 and given the hype around Vikkan of Sweden's wedding (as I have a Swedish partner and his mom saves her copies of Svensk Damtidning for me) and my (then) personal distaste for Daniel Westling, and also everything around Kate Middleton, I started poking around online for royalty forums.  I found the Sugars and was promptly turned off of that site.  I've always felt the same way about Kate and it seemed like you couldn't have a dissenting opinion over there so.... I ended up on this forum.

I've always gotten a kick out of the Danish royal family because the Swedes can be a little on the dull side, but WOW was this place an eye opener for sure!  I used to think Mares was so lucky in meeting Fred in a bar in Sydney or wow that was so romantic ..... lord how naive was I!  And initially I was a little skeptical that perhaps this forum was a little too harsh on Mary, until I started reading the evidence and links, saw the photos, and started coming to my own opinions.  Maybe I am a good test case of how a good image, as Mary has cultivated, can do wonders for the surface readers, but you scratch the surface just a little bit and it is shocking what you will find.  The day the Danish press turn on her, she's over.

I wouldn't say I hate Mary but she hasn't done anything for me to respect her either.  I didn't like Daniel because of his damn hair and that he didn't appear to be all that intelligent but...I am coming around on him (his Christmas speech was quite good).  Time will tell.  I REALLY don't like Kate Middleton at all and see the same things you do, but I guess we can only wait and see... and dish

Hey Sondra . Welcome to RD. I loved your post and agree with the bolded. You have captured my sentiments regarding Mary very well. I couldn't have said it better.

[Grand Duchess]

For me, the worst part of Mary is how awfully she treats Isabella. I agree with all the posts above - I dislike her for all the same reasons but even an awful person to others could be a good parent but, no, not Mary. Except for Christian, who is her insurance policy. Let's see how she does with the twins but still, her behavior with that sweet little girl is unforgivable.

[rsfc149]

I don't know if everyone here hates Mary as such - that might be too strong a word. Personally, I don't hate her, but don't particularly like her either. I initially got sucked into the Mary hype in Oz but quickly got tired of the onslaught of "MARY IS SO AMAZING" in the media here. When I joined RB and learned more about Starmakers, the Nanna letters, saw more pics of her pre-engagement 'fashion', I started seeing past the sanitized image. I have no problem with her being middle class or average, and most of my vitriol back on RB was aimed at the way a lot of people in Oz (and a few on RB) chose to see her as a some sort of supremely accomplished perfect saint. Now I mostly feel sorry for her and am starting to see her more as a seriously insecure average woman who tried to 'better' her lot in life by manipulating her initial interactions with Fred (and probably buying into her own fairytale view of their courtship) and is now paying the price for it.

I see it very much like you.
For me, she's no person to like or to dislike. She's just there. Sometimes I like her outfits and the way she looks, sometimes I don't. I often feel sorry for her because she doesn't look happy.
But I am very suspicious because of the Starmakers story. When I didn't know about that, I was only annoyed by her cold and sometimes arrogant looks. Her nose is always up in the air. Maybe she's just insecure about herself, maybe she's an arrogant person. I don't know and I think I'll never find out.
So I'm always switching between poor Mary and bad Mary.

[TLLK]

Welcome to RD Sondra. Personally, I've never found CP Mary to be very interesting so I rarely post about her. IMO she's just ...there.

However, I am not a fan of CP Frederik. 

[joys54]

I'll just chime in here as another American and a recent member (although longtime royalty watcher)

I used to think that Mary and Fred were the "glamorous" royal couple of Scandinavia - that she was pretty decent looking and dressed nice and he was handsome and they made a nice looking couple.  I LOVED Alexandra because she was so accomplished and seemed to work hard, but when Mary came onto the scene I wasn't paying as much attention at the time and only caught photos here and there that made me think "wow, that is a good looking couple and they seem to be in love and look like a CP couple".  This was maybe in 2004 or 05.

Fast-forward to 2010 and given the hype around Vikkan of Sweden's wedding (as I have a Swedish partner and his mom saves her copies of Svensk Damtidning for me) and my (then) personal distaste for Daniel Westling, and also everything around Kate Middleton, I started poking around online for royalty forums.  I found the Sugars and was promptly turned off of that site.  I've always felt the same way about Kate and it seemed like you couldn't have a dissenting opinion over there so.... I ended up on this forum.

I've always gotten a kick out of the Danish royal family because the Swedes can be a little on the dull side, but WOW was this place an eye opener for sure!  I used to think Mares was so lucky in meeting Fred in a bar in Sydney or wow that was so romantic ..... lord how naive was I!  And initially I was a little skeptical that perhaps this forum was a little too harsh on Mary, until I started reading the evidence and links, saw the photos, and started coming to my own opinions.  Maybe I am a good test case of how a good image, as Mary has cultivated, can do wonders for the surface readers, but you scratch the surface just a little bit and it is shocking what you will find.  The day the Danish press turn on her, she's over.

I wouldn't say I hate Mary but she hasn't done anything for me to respect her either.  I didn't like Daniel because of his damn hair and that he didn't appear to be all that intelligent but...I am coming around on him (his Christmas speech was quite good).  Time will tell.  I REALLY don't like Kate Middleton at all and see the same things you do, but I guess we can only wait and see... and dish

Hey Sondra . Welcome to RD. I loved your post and agree with the bolded. You have captured my sentiments regarding Mary very well. I couldn't have said it better.

Well done Jazzy...keep those posts coming!!

[Little_star]

For me, the worst part of Mary is how awfully she treats Isabella. I agree with all the posts above - I dislike her for all the same reasons but even an awful person to others could be a good parent but, no, not Mary. Except for Christian, who is her insurance policy. Let's see how she does with the twins but still, her behavior with that sweet little girl is unforgivable.

Ditto! 

Lots of great posts on this thread  but the one above mirrors my own opinion perfectly. The fakeness, delusions of grandeur and general disinterest in her role as a CP are all negative attributes but it is the way she so often treats Izzy that I find most despicable. There have been too many incidents in public of Mary ignoring her daughter or treating her badly for it to be simply seen as a "bad day" or a "split second".

[pixiecat]

For me, the worst part of Mary is how awfully she treats Isabella. I agree with all the posts above - I dislike her for all the same reasons but even an awful person to others could be a good parent but, no, not Mary. Except for Christian, who is her insurance policy. Let's see how she does with the twins but still, her behavior with that sweet little girl is unforgivable.

That's what did it for me too, GD.   I started to see how she treated her daughter, and to me, that behavior is inexcusable.  It's what really opened my eyes.  I can kind of relate to it too.  My father's mother (my paternal grandmother) was never good with children.  She was a cruel woman who very visibly favored my two cousins over me.  My parents even called her out on it a few times and she denied it every time, but it was obvious.  I know how it feels, and thankfully it wasn't my primary caregiver (i.e. my parents) who obviously didn't care for me, but a relative that I didn't have to see everyday.  I can relate to Isabella in this way.  It feels terrible, and I've never forgiven my grandmother for it (neither have my parents).  I just deal with it by knowing that she was a cruel woman with obvious mental issues.  I can't imagine how much worse it would be when it is your own parent who obviously prefers other kids to you.     Isabella is going to need a lot of therapy.  Hopefully, she's got a better relationship with Fred and the nannies.  We know that Margrethe isn't going to step in and try to establish a relationship with Isabella   I don't know about the Donaldsons. 

Anyway.  I don't hate Mary.  I don't even know her; and I'm certainly not jealous of her (the money would be nice but if it came with all the strings attached that she's had to accept, then forget it).  But what I do know is obvious through videos and pictures-she's a shallow, vain person who is a terrible parent to her daughter. 

[Maria]

I don't hate her. I am extremely annoyed that Fred married her though: I used to be proud of our monarchy and her entrace has made it a joke. It probably always was but I think a more accomplished woman - who wouldn't have to fake so much - might have made a difference. But alas..

[jusaca]

Out of topic, but in Denmark all education is for free the ordinary schools and the universities

Same as here Marianne, but poor kids still don't think uni is an option and their school absenteeism is very high.  Royals should give their endorsement to socially beneficial programmes.  That's why we maintain royal familes - at huge fiscal expense - so they can focus on social needs.  They're not there to show off their Prada coats, Chanel bags and evening frocks.

And another reason I hate Mary (and what she represents) is because, notwithstanding her immense personal wealth, she did not donate a cracker to the Queensland Flood Appeal.  The worst natural disaster to ever hit Australia for which our ongoing economic burden is HUGE.

The Queen gave money, Charles gave money and did a TV speech, and Wiliam flew out to visit the flood victims.

But Princess FIGJAM of Denmark .... ??  Not a brass razoo.  SFA.   Zilch.   Nothing....  Says it all really, doesn't it?