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« Reply #135 on: July 10, 2012, 02:26:26 PM » |
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Ameerah is incredibly beautiful  her dress is amazing as well,
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« Reply #136 on: July 10, 2012, 03:56:49 PM » |
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Manal al-Sharif has done more for Saudi women than any one of Ameerah's initiatives IMO.
I strongly disagree. your statement would have been true if women driving is the only issue concerning women rights. What Manal Al sharif has done is coragouse no doubt about that but its only one issue that Ameerah along many activest have spoken about. If standing behind the wheel is the greatest service for women caus then Manal alsherif should not take the credit for that cuz the natorious Wajeeha Alhwaider has done that before, only differnt is, she was not arrested as the time when she did so was not a time of upheaval. And if being cought is the measure of success then yes, Manal has done a better job along with a few ladies that did not get their story covered. Where is Manal from Social in justice and unequal civil rights of women other than driving?
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« Reply #137 on: July 10, 2012, 04:16:00 PM » |
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The women taking risks are the ordinary Saudi women like Manal who put their lives at risk. She lost her job, faces death threats and yet still continues to fight for Saudi women.
Ameerah has never challenged the regime and she never will. IMO.
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« Reply #138 on: July 10, 2012, 04:43:41 PM » |
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Still.... Is that all there is to Saudi Women rights? and I ask again, do we measure effectivness by concequences or by end result? Google Wajeeha alhowaider... or here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wajeha_al-Huwaider
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« Reply #139 on: July 11, 2012, 10:23:30 AM » |
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Thanks but I know who Wajeha al Huwaider is  Ameerah can say what she likes but women's rights in KSA will never change until the men in charge decide they want them to. Moreover someone like her will never challenge the status quo, that's why the country needs ordinary women like Wajeha and Manal who will.
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« Reply #140 on: July 11, 2012, 05:32:08 PM » |
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i kind of agree with LS it's ordinary women who does the real and hard work it's them who take all the risks and in my opinion that goes every where not only in Saudi Arabia and while i appreciate some royal ladies work i really think they are not doing anything super and while they are protected by their position women like Manal Asharif leads the dirty combat imo.
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« Reply #141 on: July 11, 2012, 07:25:52 PM » |
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i kind of agree with LS it's ordinary women who does the real and hard work it's them who take all the risks and in my opinion that goes every where not only in Saudi Arabia and while i appreciate some royal ladies work i really think they are not doing anything super and while they are protected by their position women like Manal Asharif leads the dirty combat imo.
Hi Rita, I think you, LS and I don't disagree on this. I do believe too that Ordinary people drive the change harder. But I still insist that Manal a Sherief is a poor example of that. Like I said, the only reason Manal stands out is because she was arrested. Many Saudi activest have done that and many normal uknown girls have done it as well but they did not get arrested so does that give Manal more credit? after all that is nothing she or the others could control. The reason why I appreciate P. Ameerah is that all her work has been dedicated to empower women to take a step forward in a country where majority of women don't think it is possible, she has said it many times in the local media that unless women themselvs take action nothing gonna change, what needs to be done is to give them the tools and let them use them. She for many years campained with many activist and delivered their voice to the media until they won the right of participating in the election as candidats and voters, Manal has done nothing about that. She sponsored Saudi girls in law studies and designed an action plan with several law firm to introduce Saudi girls to this men dominated domain, again, where is Manal? She supported with money and action NGOs that are aid poor women financially to start their buisnesses and contribute to the economy and be independent, She is their whenever a group of women or girls march a campain for women empowerment and where is Manal from all that? Dont you think it is more powerfull to show girls and women that change is possible if they are willing to overcome the challenges and act, than just to set behind the wheel and roam around town and go home and video blog about it? One thing you need to consider, Many Saudi women have appeared publicly before Ameerah but never a princess, actresses, singers, tv presenters and social activests... you name it but non of them made any long lasting impact. I know many western thinks princesses have it easier and they can defey the system without facing troubles but that is not always true. Princess face greater challeng cuz they represent the family that impose a very restrict system and introduce it self as an example. For ameerah to just go publicly and speack openly about the right to choose how they appear in public is a great empowering move! I cant even describe the cretisisem she faced and still facing but I think it is worth it cus her supporters are growing in number.
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« Reply #142 on: July 12, 2012, 10:08:46 AM » |
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Ameerah is very good at talking the talk and that's great when your husband owns a stake in one of the most famous media companies in the world. What changes has Ameerah been responsible for? Nada. It's easy to criticise ordinary women like Manal who don't the have the backing of their billionaire husbands. 
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« Reply #143 on: July 12, 2012, 10:32:09 AM » |
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That Erdem dress looks unfalettring and like she is trying to much to be a famous princess IMO I feel she's insencere
she can look really good (William's wedding) but not when her eyebrows are that harsh your eyebrows should never be the most prominent part of the face
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« Reply #144 on: July 12, 2012, 11:36:27 AM » |
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That Erdem dress looks unfalettring and like she is trying to much to be a famous princess IMO I feel she's insencere
Yes! That's it exactly. The lack of sincerity is very disconcerting. 
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« Reply #145 on: July 12, 2012, 12:40:37 PM » |
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That Erdem dress looks unfalettring and like she is trying to much to be a famous princess IMO I feel she's insencere
Yes! That's it exactly. The lack of sincerity is very disconcerting.  LS, I really doubt that you have read my response. and come one!! judging someone based on how they look like, and make a strong statement about them!!! really? Its the very first time I know that eye brows and dress detrmain sencerety!!
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« Reply #146 on: July 12, 2012, 12:44:37 PM » |
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That Erdem dress looks unfalettring and like she is trying to much to be a famous princess IMO I feel she's insencere
Yes! That's it exactly. The lack of sincerity is very disconcerting.  Nada!! LS, I really doubt that you have read my response or at least have the slightest idea of the woman activity. aAnd come on!! judging someone based on how they look like, and make a strong statement about them!!! really? Its the very first time I know that eye brows and dress detrmain sencerety!!
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« Reply #147 on: July 12, 2012, 12:53:59 PM » |
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That Erdem dress looks unfalettring and like she is trying to much to be a famous princess IMO I feel she's insencere
she can look really good (William's wedding) but not when her eyebrows are that harsh your eyebrows should never be the most prominent part of the face
I don't think some one who makes public appearance every 3 or 4 months is someone that is trying too hard to be famous!! I actually love the eyebrows the only thing i'll change about them is trem them a couple of hairs apart 
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« Reply #148 on: July 12, 2012, 01:16:19 PM » |
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That Erdem dress looks unfalettring and like she is trying to much to be a famous princess IMO I feel she's insencere
Yes! That's it exactly. The lack of sincerity is very disconcerting.  LS, I really doubt that you have read my response. and come one!! judging someone based on how they look like, and make a strong statement about them!!! really? Its the very first time I know that eye brows and dress detrmain sencerety!! So because I don't share your opinion I didn't read your post.  KSA desperately needs a poster, any poster girl, to promote the false idea that things are getting better for women. Ameerah is that person. Don't be surprised when people see through that. IMO.
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« Reply #149 on: July 12, 2012, 03:22:20 PM » |
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That Erdem dress looks unfalettring and like she is trying to much to be a famous princess IMO I feel she's insencere
Yes! That's it exactly. The lack of sincerity is very disconcerting.  LS, I really doubt that you have read my response. and come one!! judging someone based on how they look like, and make a strong statement about them!!! really? Its the very first time I know that eye brows and dress detrmain sencerety!! So because I don't share your opinion I didn't read your post.  KSA desperately needs a poster, any poster girl, to promote the false idea that things are getting better for women. Ameerah is that person. Don't be surprised when people see through that. IMO. That is your opinion and I totally respect that. but who are you to judge LS? do you live in SA? I dont think so? Do you have a clear idea of the changes happened in the last few years? or just because women havent got the right to drive yet nothing else matters to you. And who would Saudi Arabia try to impress when as you say, promote false image that things are getting better for women, The west? Whome exactly? I lift the country for 4 years for my grad study and when I came back and started looking for a job most of the HR representatives that contacted me and interviewed me were young professional girls and when I joined work in 2009 I found my self working side by side with young Saudi women and men in an engineering company, which to me was unheard of before. Does that not show change and progress or is it a stunt Saudi do just to portray a false image to the west. I mean women just won the right to participate and vote in elections for god sake LOL!! Don't get me wrong, I dont credit Ameerah for all of that and I still believe there are greater and more influential activists but I do believe that she is a great player in the game and I am sorry to say that but I think you lack the necessary tools and information to comment about anything other than how she looks and that has got nothing to do with agreeing with me or not. but your ignorance of the broader subject is obvios to me. Really don't mean any disrespect. Ps. What is with the  ? LOL
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