christening this weekend

[diamondsareforever]

Pose, could you please clarify - is it your opinion that the Crown Prince Couple have plans to divorce or is that an "open secret" in Denmark? If it is the latter, could you say when this began? Was it in 2009 or 2010 for example? Thanks so much

[Leesa]

I have SUCH trouble trying to remain focused on this thread! Oh, such pain! My head is dizzy and it seems it's all falling apart. -

WHAT IS IT WITH ME? 

[jusaca]

Who knows how these people think, however it does seem most unlikely to me that they would ask Mary to be godmother if her relationship with Fred was in trouble, they knew about it and believed that the marriage would be breaking down in the near future.

Agreed DAF.  But the SRF may not be privy to the state of their marriage.  I doubt that it's chatted about, so they may not hear.

[GiGi]

I don't know, I always got the impression from this board that CP Vic and Fred were close, sharing an almost sibling-like bond. From the  "mary giving death stares" thread I gathered that mary could possibly even be jealous of their relationship. I'm not convinced that Vic isn't privy to their marital issues.

Maybe the godmother position is a prod from Vic/her mother (as suggested by pose) to include mary more so as to help her and fred make amends, and keep the family together. Making mary the godmother also grants her entry into their 'royal' circle. Her presence there isn't really  incidental because she's married to fred, she's now there in her own right as godmother to the future queen of Sweden. I think that's very kind of victoria to include mary in such a way (if it really is how I see the circumstances to be).

 It may sound like I'm contradicting myself from the other day when I said I don't think this nomination enhances mary's position and wont save her if they divorce. I still do believe that, however, I think this godmother thing is to encourage their marriage to stay together, by further including mary in their circle and embedding her in the royal scene.

[BessieWallis Warfield]

Not only is Mary godmother, but "Mary" is one of Estelle's names.  The reasoning behind it is certainly the $64,000 Question.  All I can say is someone really has Mary's back - who and why - I don't know.  But Fred and Vic can't be that close.  Either that or Vic has heard about certain indiscretions and based on what she has witnessed in her own family that is just a complete no-no no matter what the other spouse has done.  Vic's perceptions are filtered through her own experiences. 

Being godmother won't stop a divorce, but it will ensure Mary a certain place in the royal clan. 

[diamondsareforever]

Would F & M still be going on holidays together if their relationship was in trouble and a divorce was imminent (eg: July 2012, Verbier this year etc) I'm sorry but I am a bit confused.

[Barrie]

I wasn't surprised at all to see Mary selected as a Godmother to Estelle, Diana was selected as a Godmother to Princess Theodora of Greece when everyone knew that her and Charles were not happy. Victoria is a kind woman, she would have done the right thing, the Danish family had to be included as a Godparent, but who knows maybe Victoria was upset by Fred's actions at his last two children's christening who knows.

[christina01]

I genuinely believe Vic has been misled by Mosh and they are close friends, or were. I think it's only a matter of time before it fizzles out, once Vic sees Mary for what she is.

[Laprincess]

Would F & M still be going on holidays together if their relationship was in trouble and a divorce was imminent (eg: July 2012, Verbier this year etc) I'm sorry but I am a bit confused.

F&M were always surrounded by friends, nannies or LiW and securities on vacations. I don't remember the last time they went to vacation y themselves or just them with their kids. Friends are the buffers.

[diamondsareforever]

Ok thank you

[boof]

LaPrincess:

Yes I am new to Mary watching and yet I can understand any woman who has to put up with a drinking cheating lying husband, so, I would like to ask one BIG Question......Are these FACTS WITH REAL PEOPLE or just ASSUSMPTIONS that people make up because they dislike her?  I don't know her personally. In all the newspapers that I have read about her meeting Frd, there was Never any mention of the facts that you stated in your comment to me.  I never heard about her grandmother, never heard about her not taking care of her daughter (now that is something that I really have an issue about) I did see her grab her daughter when her father-in-law was holding her close to a balcony once, that made me think that she didn't want anything to happen to her and was scared for her safety. I don't just go on what people say to believe something, I don't even really believe the media 90% of the time, I am just a skeptical ole btch who thinks facts are what make a story not assumptions. 

I do appoligize to you and your friends if I upset you,  I don't like putting women down, I read tons of history and women have been and are still in many ways treated like dirt in this world. I do admire very strong, independent, opinionated women of this world.  Do you really think that Frd is that dumb to marry someone like that?  If so, then I feel really sorry for Denmark because it is a lovely country with very nice people that I have met.  I will keep an eye out for her actions and behavior in the future and take it from there.  I really hope that it isn't true about how she takes care of her daughters,  the oldest daughter is a sweetheart and looks so cute in her pictures.

Hmm.  Good points, and of course everyone is entitled to their own opinions.  I think there are 2 types of factual nformation:

Facts - information that is irrefutable in today's world such as anything that can be proven by documentation or officially stated by the person the Facts involve, ie dates of birth, event attendance....you know, things that just canNOT be argued no matter which angle your looking from

And

facts - information that is reinforced repeatedly based on observed behaviours and actions but can be argued endlessly

The larger part of Discussions on RD relates to observed facts.  Many of us have been observing and discussing for the better part of a decade now, and there is little offered to sway the opinions we have built from that.
Personally, I feel that 10 years of certain behaviours probably pretty much the person make.  If Mary were to stop her sky nosing, Prada buying, daughter neglecting, Danglish speaking behaviours in favour of other nicer, more human empathetic behaviors, the world as she knows it (Denmark and a swiftly dwindling Australian fan base) would screech to a halt......because it would it would be so out of character for her.  It would also be a sign of the impending apocalypse, but I digress.