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« Reply #4260 on: January 14, 2020, 09:29:39 PM »

I can't imagine being in Charles' or William's place, or any heir for that matter. You have to lose your mother or father to get the "job" you have been groomed for your entire life. A job you didn't get to choose. You can carve out your own identity to a degree, but you are still restricted due to the future that has been determined for you. I think that would mess with my head. You can't really look forward to getting the position, because it means you have to lose someone that you love (hopefully). It is a position I am thankful I don't have to be in.
But wouldn't you agree that this opinion is a very western luxury?
I dare say, the majority of Ppeople on this planet cannot choose their life's path, which has been determined for them from the time they were born.
Many people work in family structures in which they succeed to the head position only after their elders passed.
Many family structures also enable just one (likely the firstborn) to inherit the leading position, where as the others will continue in the supporting roles. This system is as old as mankind.
Only since a very short time and only in the indistrialized and very rich societies can people make good of their dreams and carve out a life as they wish.
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« Reply #4261 on: January 14, 2020, 09:45:25 PM »

I can't imagine being in Charles' or William's place, or any heir for that matter. You have to lose your mother or father to get the "job" you have been groomed for your entire life. A job you didn't get to choose. You can carve out your own identity to a degree, but you are still restricted due to the future that has been determined for you. I think that would mess with my head. You can't really look forward to getting the position, because it means you have to lose someone that you love (hopefully). It is a position I am thankful I don't have to be in.
But wouldn't you agree that this opinion is a very western luxury?
I dare say, the majority of Ppeople on this planet cannot choose their life's path, which has been determined for them from the time they were born.
Many people work in family structures in which they succeed to the head position only after their elders passed.
Many family structures also enable just one (likely the firstborn) to inherit the leading position, where as the others will continue in the supporting roles. This system is as old as mankind.
Only since a very short time and only in the indistrialized and very rich societies can people make good of their dreams and carve out a life as they wish.


The same with restaurants and of course farming. The children often don't want to follow their parents' path, which I can understand in a way. It's their life after all.

And every so often there's a young cook f.e. looking for something to start work and there're initiatives where people searching for heirs with those searching for work.
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« Reply #4262 on: January 14, 2020, 11:11:16 PM »

The Queen issues a statement.   
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3yuo9rkGWM
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« Reply #4263 on: January 14, 2020, 11:12:53 PM »

The Queen issues a statement.   
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3yuo9rkGWM

Hey Cyril, just don't forget that the subjects of said statement are OT in any and all contexts.
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« Reply #4264 on: January 16, 2020, 01:54:38 AM »

The monarchy is at the beginning of its end.
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« Reply #4265 on: January 16, 2020, 01:55:51 AM »

Seems fine to me. The drama seems to have upped support, actually, judging by many polls.
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« Reply #4266 on: January 16, 2020, 01:57:28 AM »

Seems fine to me. The drama seems to have upped support, actually, judging by many polls.

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« Reply #4267 on: January 16, 2020, 01:59:24 AM »

Thanks LL!  Star back at you.

People don't want more chaos in an uncertain world and monarchies can provide that stability. I think that's why some of them have been around so long. The neutral, supportive head-of-state that keeps things stable is very appealing especially now despite democracies and meritocracy. It is why example Felipe in Spain does such an excellent job, or why QE2 is supported so much with the idea she has devoted her whole life to the concept and indeed no matter what you think of her she has given up her whole life for the job since the age of 25.

George III had the concept the monarch is there to be a stabilizing influence in a changing world and changing allegiances and politics, to remind politicians of their ultimate job of service to the people and try to guide them without telling them what to do. To bring people of all sorts together. Despite losing America I think his views were bang on and should be heard today. He was an intelligent man before bipolar disorder overcame him. Or look at Edward VII, the playboy prince turned beloved king because as he roared to a courtier 'I am king of ALL my people!' when the courtiers were shocked he was asking after the health of an anti-monarchist, socialist MP. Or Queen Victoria and her courtiers' disdain for her lack of racial prejudice and interfering in trying to be an equalizer in her far-flung, colonial empire, appalled at how people who were not white were treated and raging about it.

(Not defending a monarchy or whatever. Just pointing out why I think the British monarchy and the others will survive just fine.)
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« Reply #4268 on: January 16, 2020, 02:24:23 AM »

Thanks LL!  Star back at you.

People don't want more chaos in an uncertain world and monarchies can provide that stability. I think that's why some of them have been around so long. The neutral, supportive head-of-state that keeps things stable is very appealing especially now despite democracies and meritocracy. It is why example Felipe in Spain does such an excellent job, or why QE2 is supported so much with the idea she has devoted her whole life to the concept and indeed no matter what you think of her she has given up her whole life for the job since the age of 25.

George III had the concept the monarch is there to be a stabilizing influence in a changing world and changing allegiances and politics, to remind politicians of their ultimate job of service to the people and try to guide them without telling them what to do. To bring people of all sorts together. Despite losing America I think his views were bang on and should be heard today. He was an intelligent man before bipolar disorder overcame him. Or look at Edward VII, the playboy prince turned beloved king because as he roared to a courtier 'I am king of ALL my people!' when the courtiers were shocked he was asking after the health of an anti-monarchist, socialist MP. Or Queen Victoria and her courtiers' disdain for her lack of racial prejudice and interfering in trying to be an equalizer in her far-flung, colonial empire, appalled at how people who were not white were treated and raging about it.

(Not defending a monarchy or whatever. Just pointing out why I think the British monarchy and the others will survive just fine.)

Well said, Ellie!  Star

I think if the negative portrayal of the family in The Crown didnít rock them, then this certainly wonít. I donít know if it will last until George inherits, but I donít think itís going away anytime soon.
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« Reply #4269 on: January 16, 2020, 05:14:46 AM »

Thanks LL!  Star back at you.

People don't want more chaos in an uncertain world and monarchies can provide that stability. I think that's why some of them have been around so long. The neutral, supportive head-of-state that keeps things stable is very appealing especially now despite democracies and meritocracy. It is why example Felipe in Spain does such an excellent job, or why QE2 is supported so much with the idea she has devoted her whole life to the concept and indeed no matter what you think of her she has given up her whole life for the job since the age of 25.

George III had the concept the monarch is there to be a stabilizing influence in a changing world and changing allegiances and politics, to remind politicians of their ultimate job of service to the people and try to guide them without telling them what to do. To bring people of all sorts together. Despite losing America I think his views were bang on and should be heard today. He was an intelligent man before bipolar disorder overcame him. Or look at Edward VII, the playboy prince turned beloved king because as he roared to a courtier 'I am king of ALL my people!' when the courtiers were shocked he was asking after the health of an anti-monarchist, socialist MP. Or Queen Victoria and her courtiers' disdain for her lack of racial prejudice and interfering in trying to be an equalizer in her far-flung, colonial empire, appalled at how people who were not white were treated and raging about it.

(Not defending a monarchy or whatever. Just pointing out why I think the British monarchy and the others will survive just fine.)
I don't mean it will be entirely gone, but it will be a shell of its former self and be as small as the other European monarchies, not having much influence and impact as before.
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