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I still think this is no reason to go off the rails. Other people have had much more difficult lives and didn't become violent and criminal.
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“And she will keep coming back to life, over and over again, because beneath the skin of this gentle human lives a warrior unstoppable.” - Annabelle M. Ramos
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I have half brothers and sister and yet I've never gone off the rails and used it as an excuse for awful, illegal, behaviour.
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Speaking only from personal experience, it depends a lot on the nature of the individual. My stepson has a lot of rage towards both our family and that of his mother’s. He is a first child and then both his parents formed a new family with more than one child. My nieces, on the other hand, don’t care at all. They accept the new reality (not so new by now) as it is. Each of them was a first child for their parents who separated and formed new families with more than one child, exactly like my stepson.
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Booklover
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I still think this is no reason to go off the rails. Other people have had much more difficult lives and didn't become violent and criminal.
agree - it may well be a case of the best laid plans just failing - you can only do so much for kids, the rest is down to genes and chance Totally agree. Congrats on 3000 posts.
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Suspect the NRF had serious discussions when Marius was young as to how to "manage" an adjacent royal who wasn't really a royal at all.
The ideal for them would be that he would live a quiet and respectable life with suitable friends - working at a job which required maybe a degree / perhaps with a charity / civil service / diplomacy / military - nothing to embarrass them
to this end I suspect enough money was put into trust so he would be "very comfortable" - and not need to sell any stories to the press. He would be educated wherever was appropriate - the problem with this I think is that he may have struggled academically, uninterested in much and therefore unlikely to take on the level of role they expected - also the money all got spent on "the wrong things"
he then ended up as a rich young man, with no real role , and the inability to see that he was surrounded by dodgy friends and hangers on who just wanted some of the glitter
My brother-in-law had a long relationship with a woman who had a little son from another relationship. She wouldn't allow my BIL to have anything to do with parenting the little boy - though there they were, living together and forming a "family unit". But she persistently refused to allow my BIL to act like a father to the boy: to guide, discipline, have any say in what he ate, or the friends he made, or even his clothing. It was a control issue ... and like Marius, this poor boy had no relationship with his biological dad, either. I have wondered since the Marius story broke, and we learned so much about his lifestyle - whether MM wasn't rather like this woman. Maybe she insisted that Marius was her son and she refused everything (but goodies) that Haakon could offer. Maybe she made all the choices on behalf of Marius ... and boy, if she did? we see what a lousy bunch of choices she could make!
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"There are far, far better things ahead, than any we leave behind."
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Booklover
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Suspect the NRF had serious discussions when Marius was young as to how to "manage" an adjacent royal who wasn't really a royal at all.
The ideal for them would be that he would live a quiet and respectable life with suitable friends - working at a job which required maybe a degree / perhaps with a charity / civil service / diplomacy / military - nothing to embarrass them
to this end I suspect enough money was put into trust so he would be "very comfortable" - and not need to sell any stories to the press. He would be educated wherever was appropriate - the problem with this I think is that he may have struggled academically, uninterested in much and therefore unlikely to take on the level of role they expected - also the money all got spent on "the wrong things"
he then ended up as a rich young man, with no real role , and the inability to see that he was surrounded by dodgy friends and hangers on who just wanted some of the glitter
My brother-in-law had a long relationship with a woman who had a little son from another relationship. She wouldn't allow my BIL to have anything to do with parenting the little boy - though there they were, living together and forming a "family unit". But she persistently refused to allow my BIL to act like a father to the boy: to guide, discipline, have any say in what he ate, or the friends he made, or even his clothing. It was a control issue ... and like Marius, this poor boy had no relationship with his biological dad, either. I have wondered since the Marius story broke, and we learned so much about his lifestyle - whether MM wasn't rather like this woman. Maybe she insisted that Marius was her son and she refused everything (but goodies) that Haakon could offer. Maybe she made all the choices on behalf of Marius ... and boy, if she did? we see what a lousy bunch of choices she could make! He's had advantages that most of us can only dream of. He's 27, and is responsible for his choices.
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Suspect the NRF had serious discussions when Marius was young as to how to "manage" an adjacent royal who wasn't really a royal at all.
The ideal for them would be that he would live a quiet and respectable life with suitable friends - working at a job which required maybe a degree / perhaps with a charity / civil service / diplomacy / military - nothing to embarrass them
to this end I suspect enough money was put into trust so he would be "very comfortable" - and not need to sell any stories to the press. He would be educated wherever was appropriate - the problem with this I think is that he may have struggled academically, uninterested in much and therefore unlikely to take on the level of role they expected - also the money all got spent on "the wrong things"
he then ended up as a rich young man, with no real role , and the inability to see that he was surrounded by dodgy friends and hangers on who just wanted some of the glitter
My brother-in-law had a long relationship with a woman who had a little son from another relationship. She wouldn't allow my BIL to have anything to do with parenting the little boy - though there they were, living together and forming a "family unit". But she persistently refused to allow my BIL to act like a father to the boy: to guide, discipline, have any say in what he ate, or the friends he made, or even his clothing. It was a control issue ... and like Marius, this poor boy had no relationship with his biological dad, either. I have wondered since the Marius story broke, and we learned so much about his lifestyle - whether MM wasn't rather like this woman. Maybe she insisted that Marius was her son and she refused everything (but goodies) that Haakon could offer. Maybe she made all the choices on behalf of Marius ... and boy, if she did? we see what a lousy bunch of choices she could make! Marius has a relationship with his father?  I think his childhood has been very similar to the childhood of many, many other children these days. I think he grew up with two homes and two families and at least one of them seems to function very well. Haakon seems a loving stepfather, Harald and Sonia akin to real grandparents, his siblings very close to him. There are many reasons why people become addicts and/or criminals: Marius certainly has not grown up without financial security or parental figures. He might have been spoiled or cuddled, perhaps his mental issues have been handled poorly. I feel there are lots of things we don’t know. It’s a bit too serious to speculate too much but certainly he did have a relationship with his father.
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Honestly I dont see what Marius has to be pissed about, regarding the RF. He went from being just the illegitimate son of an undereducated single mother with, as wiki puts it, a “disadvantaged past” and a convicted felon father to being incredibly privileged. I believe his grandfather is a felon as well. How she managed to land the Crown Prince of Norway, who could have had anyone, I will never understand.And given what a beating the media has given Prince Andrew about his friendship with Epstein, no one seems to care at all that Mette Marit was friends with him too.
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getafix
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Honestly I dont see what Marius has to be pissed about, regarding the RF. He went from being just the illegitimate son of an undereducated single mother with, as wiki puts it, a “disadvantaged past” and a convicted felon father to being incredibly privileged. I believe his grandfather is a felon as well. How she managed to land the Crown Prince of Norway, who could have had anyone, I will never understand.And given what a beating the media has given Prince Andrew about his friendship with Epstein, no one seems to care at all that Mette Marit was friends with him too.
really?! I didn't know that  G 
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ANDREW DENTON: Yes. What did... When you first met, what did you see in each other? CROWN PRINCE FREDERIK: What did we see in each other? We saw... Well, it's a bit hard. It's a bit blurry, in a way, because it was just after the Olympics had started and it was one of those evenings where...
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Honestly I dont see what Marius has to be pissed about, regarding the RF. He went from being just the illegitimate son of an undereducated single mother with, as wiki puts it, a “disadvantaged past” and a convicted felon father to being incredibly privileged. I believe his grandfather is a felon as well. How she managed to land the Crown Prince of Norway, who could have had anyone, I will never understand.And given what a beating the media has given Prince Andrew about his friendship with Epstein, no one seems to care at all that Mette Marit was friends with him too.
really?! I didn't know that  G  Oh yes, MM makes really horrible decisions. https://www.thedailybeast...nd-britains-prince-andrewAnd here’s an article from her 2019 apology https://www.newsinenglish...rets-her-ties-to-epstein/
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getafix
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Honestly I dont see what Marius has to be pissed about, regarding the RF. He went from being just the illegitimate son of an undereducated single mother with, as wiki puts it, a “disadvantaged past” and a convicted felon father to being incredibly privileged. I believe his grandfather is a felon as well. How she managed to land the Crown Prince of Norway, who could have had anyone, I will never understand.And given what a beating the media has given Prince Andrew about his friendship with Epstein, no one seems to care at all that Mette Marit was friends with him too.
really?! I didn't know that  G  Oh yes, MM makes really horrible decisions. https://www.thedailybeast...nd-britains-prince-andrewAnd here’s an article from her 2019 apology https://www.newsinenglish...rets-her-ties-to-epstein/thankyou.  its like the apple doesn't fall far from its tree story...  G 
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ANDREW DENTON: Yes. What did... When you first met, what did you see in each other? CROWN PRINCE FREDERIK: What did we see in each other? We saw... Well, it's a bit hard. It's a bit blurry, in a way, because it was just after the Olympics had started and it was one of those evenings where...
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Honestly I dont see what Marius has to be pissed about, regarding the RF. He went from being just the illegitimate son of an undereducated single mother with, as wiki puts it, a “disadvantaged past” and a convicted felon father to being incredibly privileged. I believe his grandfather is a felon as well. How she managed to land the Crown Prince of Norway, who could have had anyone, I will never understand.And given what a beating the media has given Prince Andrew about his friendship with Epstein, no one seems to care at all that Mette Marit was friends with him too.
PA takes very little beating for his friendship with Epstein, he takes for the acussations of taking advantage of a 17 yo. If he did.
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In one way Marius is very similar to his mom, they are not playing their cards right. Marius could have gotten a formal education, started working, he is very good looking, he could have even pulled a Nicolai of Denmark job as a model. Basically he could have had the best of both worlds: With the right background he would have gained excess to a lot of events without having the responsibilty for Norway.
Instead he turned out to be a violent and deliquent person who just cares about himself. He took all the advantages the royal family gave him (his own house, money, connections) and in the end did not pay them back in any way.
About MM: Similar disappointment. She once belonged to the bottom of society and lived of social welfare. Plenty of room for charitable work in that field. Instead, she worked as little as possible but had plenty of time to jet around the world, meet the likes of Epstein (and who else we don't know), help her "friends" to exploit third world women and do very little to fulfill her role as crown princess.
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Hester
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In one way Marius is very similar to his mom, they are not playing their cards right. Marius could have gotten a formal education, started working, he is very good looking, he could have even pulled a Nicolai of Denmark job as a model. Basically he could have had the best of both worlds: With the right background he would have gained excess to a lot of events without having the responsibilty for Norway.
Instead he turned out to be a violent and deliquent person who just cares about himself. He took all the advantages the royal family gave him (his own house, money, connections) and in the end did not pay them back in any way.
About MM: Similar disappointment. She once belonged to the bottom of society and lived of social welfare. Plenty of room for charitable work in that field. Instead, she worked as little as possible but had plenty of time to jet around the world, meet the likes of Epstein (and who else we don't know), help her "friends" to exploit third world women and do very little to fulfill her role as crown princess.
Marius good-looking? Really?
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