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« Reply #75 on: June 02, 2012, 02:39:54 PM »

That is a marvelous post, Katerzz!!   Star

Olga WOULD have made an great empress.
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« Reply #76 on: June 02, 2012, 08:27:51 PM »

I second that BWW...katerzzz post is very insightful!  Star

The Romanov children are breathtaking even by today's standards...especially Tatiana and Maria who I think would be considered knockouts in this day.  Whistle Yes katerzzz I really love that gorgeous photo of Tatiana in your avatar...she makes many of Europe's  current princesses seem almost homely in comparison.

I never even considered the idea of Grand Duchess Olga as Nicholas' heir...but the more I do, the more I think how damned brilliant it might have been...she was by most accounts the most serious and intelligent of the girls. She was a deep thinker. The only problem is that as Alix's daughter and Queen Victoria's great grand-daughter there is a strong possibility that she carried the dreaded hemophilia gene....with the result that when she married, her male heirs might have had it passed to them with the tragic possibility of yet another hemophiliac Tsarevitch.  Sad

The only hope is if by the time Olga's son had come to the throne, there would have been a cure for that horrible disease.

Anyway katerzzz , thanks for the heads-up about the Alexander Palace Time Machine forum, I'd like to visit and chat sometime!  Thumb up
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« Reply #77 on: June 02, 2012, 08:44:18 PM »

I second that BWW...katerzzz post is very insightful!  Star

The Romanov children are breathtaking even by today's standards...especially Tatiana and Maria who I think would be considered knockouts in this day.  Whistle Yes katerzzz I really love that gorgeous photo of Tatiana in your avatar...she makes many of Europe's  current princesses seem almost homely in comparison.

I never even considered the idea of Grand Duchess Olga as Nicholas' heir...but the more I do, the more I think how damned brilliant it might have been...she was by most accounts the most serious and intelligent of the girls. She was a deep thinker. The only problem is that as Alix's daughter and Queen Victoria's great grand-daughter there is a strong possibility that she carried the dreaded hemophilia gene....with the result that when she married, her male heirs might have had it passed to them with the tragic possibility of yet another hemophiliac Tsarevitch.  Sad

The only hope is if by the time Olga's son had come to the throne, there would have been a cure for that horrible disease.

Anyway katerzzz , thanks for the heads-up about the Alexander Palace Time Machine board, I'd like to visit and chat sometime!  Thumb up

Well when the bones of the missing two were found in 2007, the other bones found in the 90s were exhumed and those known to be the four girls were tested for the haemophilia gene and the results were that at least TWO of the daughters were carriers. By those who knew the family, one of them was thought to be Marie, who during a tonsilitis operation in 1915 bled heavily (a common sign in women who carry the gene), and the other was, obviously, either Olga, Tatiana and Marie  Smiley

And there is no cure for haemophilia even today, there is just clotting factor, which they didn't have in the time of the RIF.  Smiley

And thank you for liking my avatar Smiley  Star
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« Reply #78 on: June 02, 2012, 09:17:38 PM »

I second that BWW...katerzzz post is very insightful!  Star

The Romanov children are breathtaking even by today's standards...especially Tatiana and Maria who I think would be considered knockouts in this day.  Whistle Yes katerzzz I really love that gorgeous photo of Tatiana in your avatar...she makes many of Europe's  current princesses seem almost homely in comparison.

I never even considered the idea of Grand Duchess Olga as Nicholas' heir...but the more I do, the more I think how damned brilliant it might have been...she was by most accounts the most serious and intelligent of the girls. She was a deep thinker. The only problem is that as Alix's daughter and Queen Victoria's great grand-daughter there is a strong possibility that she carried the dreaded hemophilia gene....with the result that when she married, her male heirs might have had it passed to them with the tragic possibility of yet another hemophiliac Tsarevitch.  Sad

The only hope is if by the time Olga's son had come to the throne, there would have been a cure for that horrible disease.

Anyway katerzzz , thanks for the heads-up about the Alexander Palace Time Machine board, I'd like to visit and chat sometime!  Thumb up

Well when the bones of the missing two were found in 2007, the other bones found in the 90s were exhumed and those known to be the four girls were tested for the haemophilia gene and the results were that at least TWO of the daughters were carriers. By those who knew the family, one of them was thought to be Marie, who during a tonsilitis operation in 1915 bled heavily (a common sign in women who carry the gene), and the other was, obviously, either Olga, Tatiana and Marie  Smiley

And there is no cure for haemophilia even today, there is just clotting factor, which they didn't have in the time of the RIF.  Smiley

And thank you for liking my avatar Smiley  Star

That's right - at least one of them did bleed heavily - who was the other one?  I will need to google this.
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« Reply #79 on: June 02, 2012, 09:25:10 PM »

Most likely it was Maria who carried the gene - only one of the Grand Duchesses did.  Also Alexei had the more severe form.

Interesting article:

http://themauveroom.com/p...-duchesses-and-hemophilia
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« Reply #80 on: June 02, 2012, 09:26:57 PM »

I second that BWW...katerzzz post is very insightful!  Star

The Romanov children are breathtaking even by today's standards...especially Tatiana and Maria who I think would be considered knockouts in this day.  Whistle Yes katerzzz I really love that gorgeous photo of Tatiana in your avatar...she makes many of Europe's  current princesses seem almost homely in comparison.

I never even considered the idea of Grand Duchess Olga as Nicholas' heir...but the more I do, the more I think how damned brilliant it might have been...she was by most accounts the most serious and intelligent of the girls. She was a deep thinker. The only problem is that as Alix's daughter and Queen Victoria's great grand-daughter there is a strong possibility that she carried the dreaded hemophilia gene....with the result that when she married, her male heirs might have had it passed to them with the tragic possibility of yet another hemophiliac Tsarevitch.  Sad

The only hope is if by the time Olga's son had come to the throne, there would have been a cure for that horrible disease.

Anyway katerzzz , thanks for the heads-up about the Alexander Palace Time Machine board, I'd like to visit and chat sometime!  Thumb up

Well when the bones of the missing two were found in 2007, the other bones found in the 90s were exhumed and those known to be the four girls were tested for the haemophilia gene and the results were that at least TWO of the daughters were carriers. By those who knew the family, one of them was thought to be Marie, who during a tonsilitis operation in 1915 bled heavily (a common sign in women who carry the gene), and the other was, obviously, either Olga, Tatiana and Marie  Smiley

And there is no cure for haemophilia even today, there is just clotting factor, which they didn't have in the time of the RIF.  Smiley

And thank you for liking my avatar Smiley  Star

That's right - at least one of them did bleed heavily - who was the other one?  I will need to google this.

I've just pulled up all the old APTM forums and apparently Marie was the only one who was ever identified by contemporaries as a potential carrier...so that might be a mistake on my part  Blush  But I think the 50/50 chance that each girl would have at being a carrier, I'm pretty sure one of them may have had it besides Marie.

Ah! Thank you BWW! Smiley
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« Reply #81 on: June 02, 2012, 09:33:41 PM »

I second that BWW...katerzzz post is very insightful!  Star

The Romanov children are breathtaking even by today's standards...especially Tatiana and Maria who I think would be considered knockouts in this day.  Whistle Yes katerzzz I really love that gorgeous photo of Tatiana in your avatar...she makes many of Europe's  current princesses seem almost homely in comparison.

I never even considered the idea of Grand Duchess Olga as Nicholas' heir...but the more I do, the more I think how damned brilliant it might have been...she was by most accounts the most serious and intelligent of the girls. She was a deep thinker. The only problem is that as Alix's daughter and Queen Victoria's great grand-daughter there is a strong possibility that she carried the dreaded hemophilia gene....with the result that when she married, her male heirs might have had it passed to them with the tragic possibility of yet another hemophiliac Tsarevitch.  Sad

The only hope is if by the time Olga's son had come to the throne, there would have been a cure for that horrible disease.

Anyway katerzzz , thanks for the heads-up about the Alexander Palace Time Machine board, I'd like to visit and chat sometime!  Thumb up

Well when the bones of the missing two were found in 2007, the other bones found in the 90s were exhumed and those known to be the four girls were tested for the haemophilia gene and the results were that at least TWO of the daughters were carriers. By those who knew the family, one of them was thought to be Marie, who during a tonsilitis operation in 1915 bled heavily (a common sign in women who carry the gene), and the other was, obviously, either Olga, Tatiana and Marie  Smiley

And there is no cure for haemophilia even today, there is just clotting factor, which they didn't have in the time of the RIF.  Smiley

And thank you for liking my avatar Smiley  Star

That's right - at least one of them did bleed heavily - who was the other one?  I will need to google this.

I've just pulled up all the old APTM forums and apparently Marie was the only one who was ever identified by contemporaries as a potential carrier...so that might be a mistake on my part  Blush  But I think the 50/50 chance that each girl would have at being a carrier, I'm pretty sure one of them may have had it besides Marie.

Ah! Thank you BWW! Smiley

Read the link I posted.  Only one girl according to DNA tests (which aren't always foolproof).  Their aunt, Olga Alexandrovna maintains that all four girls bled more than usual, which would indicate all four were carriers.    Smiley
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« Reply #82 on: June 02, 2012, 09:40:38 PM »

This is news to me...for example I never knew about Maria's tonsillectomy in 1915.

I have a rather delicate question that someone might be able to answer...would the Grand Duchess(es) who were carriers have had heavier than normal menstrual cycles?
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« Reply #83 on: June 02, 2012, 09:42:24 PM »

Olga WOULD have made an great empress.

ITA. That would be awesome, and thank you for the new thread, Bessie! Star
May I kindly recommend Alexander Palace Time Machine forums, in case you've never heard of it? They've gathered the greatest material there over the years. Champagne
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« Reply #84 on: June 02, 2012, 10:02:56 PM »

This is news to me...for example I never knew about Maria's tonsillectomy in 1915.

I have a rather delicate question that someone might be able to answer...would the Grand Duchess(es) who were carriers have had heavier than normal menstrual cycles?

Yes. In my family there is a mild (thank god!) form of hemophilia and that is one of the symptoms indeed.
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« Reply #85 on: June 02, 2012, 10:12:31 PM »

This is news to me...for example I never knew about Maria's tonsillectomy in 1915.

I have a rather delicate question that someone might be able to answer...would the Grand Duchess(es) who were carriers have had heavier than normal menstrual cycles?

Yep, indeed that is true. And as Bessie pointed out, their aunt Grand Duchess Olga Alexandrovna, all said that the girls bled more than was normal.
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« Reply #86 on: June 02, 2012, 10:43:29 PM »

Thank you, Artemis and katerzzzSmiley

Eugenie this is the first I have heard of the Alexander Palace Forum, and I would love to check it out!
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« Reply #87 on: June 02, 2012, 10:55:28 PM »

This is news to me...for example I never knew about Maria's tonsillectomy in 1915.

I have a rather delicate question that someone might be able to answer...would the Grand Duchess(es) who were carriers have had heavier than normal menstrual cycles?

It sounds that way.  I'll bet delivering babies would have been fun too ... kinda like a scene out of "Carrie"   
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« Reply #88 on: June 02, 2012, 11:05:46 PM »

I've done some reading.  When you google do hemophiliac carriers have heavy menstrual cycles this site is now the 6th entry!   Yikes

It says if you are a "symptomatic carrrier" you have to let doctors/dentists know, and should consider wearing a medic alert bracelet. 

Had the Romanovs survived, it's quite possible Maria would not have had a long life - she could have died in childbirth if her baby was big.   Sad
How sadly ironic considering it is said she is the one who dreamed of marriage and lots and lots of babies. 
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« Reply #89 on: June 02, 2012, 11:19:46 PM »

Wow i was only one day gone, and this beautiful post is like a grooming tree at the evergreens hehehe... Really interesting, about olga as an empress, yeah, i have thought about it myself, but i dont think those moronic bolsheviks would accept a woman as their empress, they were socialist only in the part of their convienence, but forgot that marx told that everybody was equal, bolsheviks only raped women(in germany  Secret) and treated them like maids, nothing else. I agree about olga and her marvellous mind, she could have been a really good empress, but those stupid pauline laws prevented it Sad... But do you know who would have been a really good tsar?? yeah, alexei, he was compassionate, humble, and very smart, he could have a wonderful military carrier and with polishing here and there, would have been a lot better than fragile nicky. Sadly his body wasnt cooperating, and he was really young when all this chaos happened, and with haemophilia b the chances to survival were narrow, well who knows how long he would have lived, without the revolution, Leopold lived long engought to marry and have children and died, because an accident, same with a spanish prince, who died at 33, only because a car crash... So many ifs.. but sadly a tragically end. The romanovs died, but Russia paid a big price for it: Tsar Stalin, the man was awful and killed more than 30 million in his regime, That could have been spared with a good emperor/empress with a constituonal monarchy, and a efficient duma...nowdays the is Tsar Vladimir at the power, and may says he is a good tsar, time will tell..... Ive read that Tatiana was a potential bride for Edward VII... Maybe without the Revolution, or if tatiana would have been survived, then maybe Edward wouldnt need to fall in love with a lowclass, leech nazi social climber but to have a royal very beautiful russian wife, with really strong family values, and pretty genes, maybe now the royal windsors, wouldnt be so ugly.... and cousin lilibet would be only a minor royal by this time...
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