Queen Camilla or Princess Consort?

[gudgeon]

A discussion in the Thames parade thread http://royaldish.com/index.php?topic=10891.330 about Cammy and upChuck being booed at WC's wedding and whether they are making a concerted effort to phase-in C&C (both in increasing their workload and their popularity) by having them make appearances with QEII and DoE got me thinking about what will happen when/if upChuck is crowned. Will Cammy be styled Princess Consort, as promised, or be called Queen? I also wonder whether the monarchy will live on under the less popular Charles? Or will it start to crumble?

I think upChuck will go back on his promise of styling Cammy Princess Consort (he's good at going back on his word, isn't he?)...and I think this will cause an uproar which may eventually lead to his own demise. I also think he's too spoiled and his ego is too huge to recognize this and he will just think everyone will come around in the end.

What do you all think?

In just a few years we have gone from this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/ont...ewsid_4929000/4929904.stm

Prince Charles will marry his long-term partner Camilla Parker Bowles on 8 April, Clarence House says.

Mrs Parker Bowles will take the title HRH Duchess of Cornwall after the civil ceremony at Windsor Castle.

When the Prince of Wales, 56, becomes king, 57-year-old Camilla will not be known as Queen Camilla but as the Princess Consort, Clarence House added.

To this:

http://www.dailymail.co.u...amilla-crowned-Queen.html

Prince Charles is determined that the Duchess of Cornwall will become queen and not just a princess consort when he accedes to the throne, a documentary will claim.

According to insiders, he wants to gain public support so that both can be crowned at Westminster Abbey.

The quiet determination will alarm critics who still feel that because of the once-adulterous nature of the relationship, the duchess should never become queen.

And this:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11800849

Asked in an interview on US channel NBC whether the Duchess of Cornwall could ever become Queen Consort, he initially stumbled over his answer.

He then added: "We'll see won't we? That could be."

Clarence House said that "nothing had changed" since the couple's wedding, and that the Duchess would become Princess Consort as was stated then.

BBC royal correspondent Nicholas Witchell said the issue was the title which Camilla would take when the prince became king, not her role.

According to 1,000 years of history and precedent the wife of a king becomes a queen, as a Queen Consort, which has no constitutional power.

But at the time of their marriage five years ago, it was announced that Camilla would assume the Princess Consort title when Charles became King.

That came at a time when there were several newspaper polls indicating a lack of public support for Camilla ever being known as Queen Camilla.

Our correspondent said Prince Charles had been caught unawares in the interview and had given a rather stumbling answer, but he could have "stuck to the script" of Clarence House.

Instead he gave that answer, which confirmed what people suspected, that he wanted Camilla crowned alongside him as Queen Consort, which was revealing, our correspondent added.

Aaaand then back to this, after some uproar from the public:

http://www.dailymail.co.u...onsort.html#ixzz1wm1YeEhf

The Duchess of Cornwall doesn't want to become Queen because of the sensitivity connected with the memory of Princess Diana.

Camilla has instead made it clear she intends to be known as Princess Consort should Prince Charles outlive his mother and become King.

This is despite the fact that legally she will become Queen should Charles take the throne.

In the same way, senior royal sources say Prince Charles's wife is technically the Princess of Wales, but chooses not to go by that title again because of the sensitivities associated with Diana.

[hanzo1]

I think most people on this board feels strongly against Camilla my impression? I'm in the middle but I do think Charles is more popular than the way he represented here  IMO

If he's smart he will make her princess

[just a serf]

A poll last week (by one of the main polling firms) found about 40% of Brits do not want a King Charles, let alone Queen Cowmilla! About 40% supported him becoming King.

So it's VERY controversial and he's a fool to push his luck  

Any royal who violates the role of the royal family by trying to influence politicians is not fit to be sovereign.

The Camilla issue comes second after that, IMO.

[gudgeon]

A poll last week (by one of the main polling firms) found about 40% of Brits do not want a King Charles, let alone Queen Cowmilla! About 40% supported him becoming King.

So it's VERY controversial and he's a fool to push his luck  

Any royal who violates the role of the royal family by trying to influence politicians is not fit to be sovereign.

The Camilla issue comes second after that, IMO.

Yeah, I agree about his trying to influence politicians    Isn't is also against the LAW, not just royal family rules? I kind of can't wait for him to implode and then be so confused as to why no one loves him.

I forgot about that poll and think the numbers were even lower - 35 or 37%


Also, OMG, congrats about 4500 posts!!! Amazing!     I already gave you a star today but will get you again tomorrow! And, your new signature photo is awesome, particularly Willy's message to us all 

[gudgeon]

I think most people on this board feels strongly against Camilla my impression? I'm in the middle but I do think Charles is more popular than the way he represented here  IMO

If he's smart he will make her princess

I don't think it's just these boards though. According to this poll (http://www.express.co.uk/...e-popular-than-The-Queen-):

...only 31 per cent of Britons, 17 per cent of Canadians and 13 per cent of Australians would prefer to see Charles ascend the throne.

[hanzo1]

I think most people on this board feels strongly against Camilla my impression? I'm in the middle but I do think Charles is more popular than the way he represented here  IMO

If he's smart he will make her princess

I don't think it's just these boards though. According to this poll (http://www.express.co.uk/...e-popular-than-The-Queen-):

...only 31 per cent of Britons, 17 per cent of Canadians and 13 per cent of Australians would prefer to see Charles ascend the throne.

Maybe I'm wrong seems like the public is 50-50 on him I thought more people liked him I wonder If the problem is Camilla?

[gudgeon]

I think most people on this board feels strongly against Camilla my impression? I'm in the middle but I do think Charles is more popular than the way he represented here  IMO

If he's smart he will make her princess

I don't think it's just these boards though. According to this poll (http://www.express.co.uk/...e-popular-than-The-Queen-):

...only 31 per cent of Britons, 17 per cent of Canadians and 13 per cent of Australians would prefer to see Charles ascend the throne.

Maybe I'm wrong seems like the public is 50-50 on him I thought more people liked him I wonder If the problem is Camilla?

Yeah, there is no saying that poll is accurate or a different poll would give a different result. I also wonder if you just ask about him, if he would rate higher. But if you ask questions about QEII, Charles and Willy, the fact that people have fonder feelings toward the other two would cause them to rate upChuck lower in that poll (people making an unconscious comparison).


According to this article/recent poll, it is split on how many want Charles to stand aside in favor of William...so that also cannot be a good sign for him!

http://www.telegraph.co.u...of-Duke-of-Cambridge.html
It shows the public to be evenly split about the idea of Charles stepping aside when the time comes - with 42% agreeing that he should, 44% disagreeing, and 14% saying they did not know.

[PattyMcDisher]

I for one would always feel a tinge of sadness whenever I heard her referred to as "Queen Camilla."  Yes, this is the 21st century and divorce and remarriage is common, but the monarchy is an ancient institution that upholds ancient tradition.  Camilla was Charles' mistress.  In my mind, that's really all she'll ever be.   Diana was Charles' legitimate queen.

If this occurs and we really get Queen Camilla, to me it won't feel like C & C are the legitimate heirs to the throne.  They are just pretenders, twisting the rules to suit their claim to power.  I will probably start ignoring them if/when such an event occurs.

[Princess Tia]

I agree JUST A SERF, he would be a fool to push his luck.  But, he has been known to do some foolish things in his life.

WOW, way to go on 4500, !!  Here's to the next 4500!!

A for you too, Scots, lovely thoughts.  It is still very sad.

[gudgeon]

I for one would always feel a tinge of sadness whenever I heard her referred to as "Queen Camilla."  Yes, this is the 21st century and divorce and remarriage is common, but the monarchy is an ancient institution that upholds ancient tradition.  Camilla was Charles' mistress.  In my mind, that's really all she'll ever be.   Diana was Charles' legitimate queen.

If this occurs and we really get Queen Camilla, to me it won't feel like C & C are the legitimate heirs to the throne.  They are just pretenders, twisting the rules to suit their claim to power.  I will probably start ignoring them if/when such an event occurs.

I don't necessarily agree that Diana is the legitimate queen because that marriage was just disastrous for all involved, but I agree with the bold sentence you wrote and I think that is what bothers me the most. He should not have been allowed to marry her and I agree that they twisted rules for it to happen. I am not religious but if he is supposed to be the leader of a church that says you may not divorce and then become king/the leader of this church...and he DOES, then that is just hypocritical and he is a big spoiled brat.

[tatty]

All I will say is this - despite what people think - Camilla is not the only one who is guilty of infidelity.

Charles seems to get the easy end of the stick in that regard and it's extremely unfair, women always have to bear the scarlet letter while men escape much less scathed.

Diana was a cheat, Charles was a cheat, Camilla was a cheat (and I believe Andrew P-B was also) - at the end of the day, in my opinion there was a very unhealthy dynamic spread across several relationships that was left unchecked and so went to rot and ruin. That same poison is the reason many people dislike Camilla, when the truth is that some relationships just don't work and I am almost certain that if Charles didn't have Camilla it would have been someone else.

He wasn't happy trapped with a wife he didn't love, Diana wasn't happy being trapped with a man who would never love her. They shouldn't have married but shit happens, you learn from it and you move on.

Unfortunately for Camilla you can't compete with a ghost, especially to some a saintly ghost, and that ghost will haunt her all her days.

Will she be Queen? If not, she will be Queen in everything but name!!!

[tudorfan]

If he's smart he will make her princess

That's the problem, he should never have married her in the first place.  She still would have slept with him. 

[tatty]

Congrats Serfy 

[PattyMcDisher]

If he's smart he will make her princess

That's the problem, he should never have married her in the first place.  She still would have slept with him. 

  Very true, tudorfan!

[Cloaked]

All I will say is this - despite what people think - Camilla is not the only one who is guilty of infidelity.

Charles seems to get the easy end of the stick in that regard and it's extremely unfair, women always have to bear the scarlet letter while men escape much less scathed.

Diana was a cheat, Charles was a cheat, Camilla was a cheat (and I believe Andrew P-B was also) - at the end of the day, in my opinion there was a very unhealthy dynamic spread across several relationships that was left unchecked and so went to rot and ruin. That same poison is the reason many people dislike Camilla, when the truth is that some relationships just don't work and I am almost certain that if Charles didn't have Camilla it would have been someone else.

He wasn't happy trapped with a wife he didn't love, Diana wasn't happy being trapped with a man who would never love her. They shouldn't have married but shit happens, you learn from it and you move on.

Unfortunately for Camilla you can't compete with a ghost, especially to some a saintly ghost, and that ghost will haunt her all her days.

Will she be Queen? If not, she will be Queen in everything but name!!!

  Tatty.