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« Reply #660 on: August 31, 2020, 10:05:56 AM »

Wrong thread to carry on but...

Maybe they will learn from Sweden where the King has now limited HRH to those of the heirs family. To be honest if I were in charge (lol) I'd make the younger children of the Crown Prince/Princess HH and their children Count / Countess of Monpezat and ditch a generation of Prince/Princesses who are unlikely to work for the RF and would be in the same boat as Felix and siblings.




Or like the Dutch...the children of Friso and Constantijn are known as count/countess instead of prince/princess. Only WA's children, their cousins, have the princess title.

Furthermore the current of the Netherlands princes/princesses are:

Princess Beatrix
Prince Friso (deceased) and his wife (widow) princess Mabel
Prince Constantijn and his wife princess Laurentien
Princess Irene
Princess Margriet (younger sister of Beatrix)
Prince Maurits and his wife princess Mariléne
Prince Bernhard and his wife princess Annette
Prince Pieter-Christiaan and his wife princess Anita
Prince Floris and his wife princess Aimee.


The children of Princess Irene are entitled prince/princess, but that is due to their father Prince Carlos Hugo, Duke of Parma (deceased).
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« Reply #661 on: August 31, 2020, 07:44:29 PM »

Wrong thread to carry on but...

Maybe they will learn from Sweden where the King has now limited HRH to those of the heirs family. To be honest if I were in charge (lol) I'd make the younger children of the Crown Prince/Princess HH and their children Count / Countess of Monpezat and ditch a generation of Prince/Princesses who are unlikely to work for the RF and would be in the same boat as Felix and siblings.




Or like the Dutch...the children of Friso and Constantijn are known as count/countess instead of prince/princess. Only WA's children, their cousins, have the princess title.

Furthermore the current of the Netherlands princes/princesses are:

Princess Beatrix
Prince Friso (deceased) and his wife (widow) princess Mabel
Prince Constantijn and his wife princess Laurentien
Princess Irene
Princess Margriet (younger sister of Beatrix)
Prince Maurits and his wife princess Mariléne
Prince Bernhard and his wife princess Annette
Prince Pieter-Christiaan and his wife princess Anita
Prince Floris and his wife princess Aimee.


The children of Princess Irene are entitled prince/princess, but that is due to their father Prince Carlos Hugo, Duke of Parma (deceased).

Interesting. Was some special provision made for Princess Margriet’s sons?
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« Reply #662 on: September 01, 2020, 12:01:03 AM »

Wrong thread to carry on but...

Maybe they will learn from Sweden where the King has now limited HRH to those of the heirs family. To be honest if I were in charge (lol) I'd make the younger children of the Crown Prince/Princess HH and their children Count / Countess of Monpezat and ditch a generation of Prince/Princesses who are unlikely to work for the RF and would be in the same boat as Felix and siblings.




Or like the Dutch...the children of Friso and Constantijn are known as count/countess instead of prince/princess. Only WA's children, their cousins, have the princess title.

Furthermore the current of the Netherlands princes/princesses are:

Princess Beatrix
Prince Friso (deceased) and his wife (widow) princess Mabel
Prince Constantijn and his wife princess Laurentien
Princess Irene
Princess Margriet (younger sister of Beatrix)
Prince Maurits and his wife princess Mariléne
Prince Bernhard and his wife princess Annette
Prince Pieter-Christiaan and his wife princess Anita
Prince Floris and his wife princess Aimee.


The children of Princess Irene are entitled prince/princess, but that is due to their father Prince Carlos Hugo, Duke of Parma (deceased).

Interesting. Was some special provision made for Princess Margriet’s sons?

Yes, Margriet and hubby were a kind of reserve / supporting royal couple for Beatrix and Claus. Also the only one of the sisters, besides Beatrix, to ask Parlement for permissionto marry. With this permission she stayed in line of succession to the Dutch throne. When Beatrix was Queen, the sons of Margriet were also in line fos succession. They have lost it upon the succession of WA. Something with only 1st line familymembers. The grandchildren of Margriet are not entitled, but there are some issues with the last names. If I am correct:

- eldest son Maurits: his children have the last name Van Lippe Biesterfeld - Van Vollenhoven (in honour of his maternal grandfather Prince Bernhard von Lippe-Biesterfeld,  who was married to Queen/Princess Juliana)
- the other sons Bernhard (Jr.); Pieter-Christiaan & Floris: their children will have the last name Van Vollenhoven (the name of their father Prof. Mr. Pieter van Vollenhoven)

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« Reply #663 on: September 01, 2020, 04:14:19 AM »

Wrong thread to carry on but...

Maybe they will learn from Sweden where the King has now limited HRH to those of the heirs family. To be honest if I were in charge (lol) I'd make the younger children of the Crown Prince/Princess HH and their children Count / Countess of Monpezat and ditch a generation of Prince/Princesses who are unlikely to work for the RF and would be in the same boat as Felix and siblings.




Or like the Dutch...the children of Friso and Constantijn are known as count/countess instead of prince/princess. Only WA's children, their cousins, have the princess title.

Furthermore the current of the Netherlands princes/princesses are:

Princess Beatrix
Prince Friso (deceased) and his wife (widow) princess Mabel
Prince Constantijn and his wife princess Laurentien
Princess Irene
Princess Margriet (younger sister of Beatrix)
Prince Maurits and his wife princess Mariléne
Prince Bernhard and his wife princess Annette
Prince Pieter-Christiaan and his wife princess Anita
Prince Floris and his wife princess Aimee.


The children of Princess Irene are entitled prince/princess, but that is due to their father Prince Carlos Hugo, Duke of Parma (deceased).

Interesting. Was some special provision made for Princess Margriet’s sons?

Yes, Margriet and hubby were a kind of reserve / supporting royal couple for Beatrix and Claus. Also the only one of the sisters, besides Beatrix, to ask Parlement for permissionto marry. With this permission she stayed in line of succession to the Dutch throne. When Beatrix was Queen, the sons of Margriet were also in line fos succession. They have lost it upon the succession of WA. Something with only 1st line familymembers. The grandchildren of Margriet are not entitled, but there are some issues with the last names. If I am correct:

- eldest son Maurits: his children have the last name Van Lippe Biesterfeld - Van Vollenhoven (in honour of his maternal grandfather Prince Bernhard von Lippe-Biesterfeld,  who was married to Queen/Princess Juliana)
- the other sons Bernhard (Jr.); Pieter-Christiaan & Floris: their children will have the last name Van Vollenhoven (the name of their father Prof. Mr. Pieter van Vollenhoven)



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« Reply #664 on: September 03, 2020, 12:42:59 PM »

Wrong thread to carry on but...

Maybe they will learn from Sweden where the King has now limited HRH to those of the heirs family. To be honest if I were in charge (lol) I'd make the younger children of the Crown Prince/Princess HH and their children Count / Countess of Monpezat and ditch a generation of Prince/Princesses who are unlikely to work for the RF and would be in the same boat as Felix and siblings.




Or like the Dutch...the children of Friso and Constantijn are known as count/countess instead of prince/princess. Only WA's children, their cousins, have the princess title.

Furthermore the current of the Netherlands princes/princesses are:

Princess Beatrix
Prince Friso (deceased) and his wife (widow) princess Mabel
Prince Constantijn and his wife princess Laurentien
Princess Irene
Princess Margriet (younger sister of Beatrix)
Prince Maurits and his wife princess Mariléne
Prince Bernhard and his wife princess Annette
Prince Pieter-Christiaan and his wife princess Anita
Prince Floris and his wife princess Aimee.


The children of Princess Irene are entitled prince/princess, but that is due to their father Prince Carlos Hugo, Duke of Parma (deceased).

Interesting. Was some special provision made for Princess Margriet’s sons?

Yes, Margriet and hubby were a kind of reserve / supporting royal couple for Beatrix and Claus. Also the only one of the sisters, besides Beatrix, to ask Parlement for permissionto marry. With this permission she stayed in line of succession to the Dutch throne. When Beatrix was Queen, the sons of Margriet were also in line fos succession. They have lost it upon the succession of WA. Something with only 1st line familymembers. The grandchildren of Margriet are not entitled, but there are some issues with the last names. If I am correct:

- eldest son Maurits: his children have the last name Van Lippe Biesterfeld - Van Vollenhoven (in honour of his maternal grandfather Prince Bernhard von Lippe-Biesterfeld,  who was married to Queen/Princess Juliana)
- the other sons Bernhard (Jr.); Pieter-Christiaan & Floris: their children will have the last name Van Vollenhoven (the name of their father Prof. Mr. Pieter van Vollenhoven)



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The Dutch succession to the throne has been hanging on a thin thread for quite some time. Wilhelmina as the only surviving child of King Willem III. And also Wilhelmina had only 1 surviving child, Juliana. Only with Juliana's children, 4 daughters, did it branch out again. As a result, people started to think about how to proceed with titles, succession and the like. Of Juliana's 4 daughters, only Beatrix and Margriet have requested and received parliamentary permission for their marriage. Therefore the children of Beatrix and Margriet were still in line for the throne, after their mothers. Both women only had sons, so 7 princes in total Wink

Irene's marriage was controversial, even though her husband (later divorced) was accepted into the Dutch royal family. Her children have a princely title, but through their late father, Prince Carlos Hugo of Bourbon Parma, Duke of Parma. Later on they were included in the Dutch nobility also. The youngest of the 4 sisters, Christina, was married to an American-Cuban (later divorced) without parliamentary permission. Because of this, she and her children disappeared from the line of the Dutch succession. In fact, her children, 2 sons and 1 daughter, are the only one of Juliana's grandchildren who have no title. Christina was the 1st of the 4 sisters to pass away.

Basically, kingship passes to the king's oldest descendant (and then his descendants, if any), then the king's next descendant, etc., then the king's parent's descendants, etc., up to and including the third. degree of consanguinity. See below for more details. According to these rules, the heirs to the throne at the moment are:
1. Princess (Catharina-)Amalia
2. Princess Alexia
3. Princess Ariane
4. Prince Constantijn
5. Countess Eloise
6. Count Claus-Casimir
7. Countess Leonore
8. Princess Margriet

The rules state that a heir to the throne who marries without parliamentary consent will be excluded from the succession, along with the descendants of this marriage. For the current line this is the case with Princess Irene. Princess Christina and Prince Friso were also excluded from succession to the throne for this reason. According to the constitution, the kingship is fulfilled by the legal successors of King Willem I. Incidentally, the Statute for the Kingdom of the Netherlands refers to the legal descendants of Queen Juliana. This can be explained from the time when the Statute was created (1954).

Unlike, for example, the line of British succession to the throne, which is in principle unlimited, the Dutch line, insofar as it concerns people who can inherit the kingship directly from the current monarch, is limited to three degrees of blood relationship, at least where it is not his descendants. This means that for a sitting King, in addition to his own descendants, his siblings and their children are also in the line (but not the children of those children), his uncles / aunts, but not their children, and finally not are great uncles / great aunts. There is no restriction in consanguinity for his own descendants, so the King's great-great-grandchildren (fourth degree) and beyond are in line. As a result of the restriction, the princes Maurits and Bernhard have been excluded from the throne in the current line (upon WA becoming King). However, if a King is succeeded by a brother or sister, or an uncle or aunt, the descendants of these, insofar as not previously explicitly excluded for other reasons, return in line with the succession to the throne.

RED: the two younger brothers of Maurits and Bernhard didn't requested parlementary permission upon marriage and were therefore already excluded from succession. Upon WA becoming King, Maurits and Bernhard were also excluded based on the kinship rule above.

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« Reply #665 on: September 09, 2020, 05:42:19 PM »

August 28
Nikolai turns 21
Prince Nikolai, eldest son of Prince Joachim and Countess Alexandra, and Queen Margrethe's first granddaughter out of eight, turns 21 tomorrow, Friday 28 August. The day is celebrated by Prince Nikolai with a party at home for family and close friends - however, he must do without his father, Prince Joachim, and his wife, Princess Marie, who is still in France, where Prince Joachim recovers and gathers strength on top of the blood clot in the brain that hit him on July 24th.




Was this a mistake from the Court?
an understandable mistake, IMO, given his demeanor
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« Reply #666 on: September 09, 2020, 05:46:28 PM »

August 28
Nikolai turns 21
Prince Nikolai, eldest son of Prince Joachim and Countess Alexandra, and Queen Margrethe's first granddaughter out of eight, turns 21 tomorrow, Friday 28 August. The day is celebrated by Prince Nikolai with a party at home for family and close friends - however, he must do without his father, Prince Joachim, and his wife, Princess Marie, who is still in France, where Prince Joachim recovers and gathers strength on top of the blood clot in the brain that hit him on July 24th.




Was this a mistake from the Court?
an understandable mistake, IMO, given his demeanor


Wrong!

My mistake because I used google translator and didn't correct after copy/paste.

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« Reply #667 on: September 09, 2020, 09:12:03 PM »

August 28
Nikolai turns 21
Prince Nikolai, eldest son of Prince Joachim and Countess Alexandra, and Queen Margrethe's first granddaughter out of eight, turns 21 tomorrow, Friday 28 August. The day is celebrated by Prince Nikolai with a party at home for family and close friends - however, he must do without his father, Prince Joachim, and his wife, Princess Marie, who is still in France, where Prince Joachim recovers and gathers strength on top of the blood clot in the brain that hit him on July 24th.




Was this a mistake from the Court?
an understandable mistake, IMO, given his demeanor

WTF Huh?
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« Reply #668 on: September 10, 2020, 03:29:09 AM »

August 28
Nikolai turns 21
Prince Nikolai, eldest son of Prince Joachim and Countess Alexandra, and Queen Margrethe's first granddaughter out of eight, turns 21 tomorrow, Friday 28 August. The day is celebrated by Prince Nikolai with a party at home for family and close friends - however, he must do without his father, Prince Joachim, and his wife, Princess Marie, who is still in France, where Prince Joachim recovers and gathers strength on top of the blood clot in the brain that hit him on July 24th.




Was this a mistake from the Court?
an understandable mistake, IMO, given his demeanor

WTF Huh?

Exactly my thought Maria.
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« Reply #669 on: September 10, 2020, 08:43:57 PM »

August 28
Nikolai turns 21
Prince Nikolai, eldest son of Prince Joachim and Countess Alexandra, and Queen Margrethe's first granddaughter out of eight, turns 21 tomorrow, Friday 28 August. The day is celebrated by Prince Nikolai with a party at home for family and close friends - however, he must do without his father, Prince Joachim, and his wife, Princess Marie, who is still in France, where Prince Joachim recovers and gathers strength on top of the blood clot in the brain that hit him on July 24th.




Was this a mistake from the Court?
an understandable mistake, IMO, given his demeanor

WTF Huh?

Exactly my thought Maria.

Me too
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