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« Reply #15 on: September 08, 2012, 01:24:44 AM »


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This guy Prince Frederick Charles of Hesse  looks like Prince Albert Victor, Duke of Clarence and Avondale.
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« Reply #16 on: September 08, 2012, 01:56:48 AM »

They do look alike.  They are quite closely related.
Albert Victor, Duke of Clarence is the son of Britain's Queen Alexandra from Denmark.
Alexandra is the first cousin of Prince Frederick Charles of Hesse-Kassel.

I always think that Lord Frederick and his father, Prince Michael of Kent, look like Albert Victor too.
They both have a connection to the Hesse-Kassel line and Christian IX of Denmark.
Nicholas II of Russia looks similar with shared bloodlines as well.  
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« Reply #17 on: September 08, 2012, 03:49:07 AM »

The Hesse children with their Wales cousins






The where several lines of the Hesse-Family

Hesse-Darmstadt
1816 the Grand Duke of Hesse and by Rhine are extinct in the male line but the youngest son of Grand Duke Ludwig II., Prince Alexander married morganatic to Countess Julie of Haucke, who was given the title Prince of Battenberg. There are several descendants but since 1917 the name of the Family was changed to Mountbatten.

Hesse-Kassel
first surviving branch

Hesse-Homburg
extinct in the male line 1866.

Hesse-Philippsthal-Barchfeld
second surviving branch

Hesse-Philippstahl
extinct in the male line 1925
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« Reply #18 on: September 08, 2012, 04:01:30 AM »



thank you Jazzy  Star

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well, they seemed to be strapped for money...



July 15, 2011 - von Hessen family sells Holbein Madonna for $70 million
The head of the princely house of Hesse has sold its most valuable piece of artwork, the Holbein Madonna.  The painting was sold to German collector Reinhold Würth.

Hereditary Prince Donatus of Hesse, who heads the family's foundation, spoke recently with a reporter from the Frankfurter Allegemeine.

The reporter asks:  "How are you today?"  
The Prince said he was feeling "ambivalent.  On the one hand, I am emotionally attached to the painting, on the other hand,  I'm relieve because the sale is good for the future of the Hessian House Foundation.

The Prince said he considered visiting the painting, which had been on display at the Städel in Frankfurt, but he changed his mind earlier in the day because he knew people at the museum "and that would not have been right."  He also said his father, Moritz, the Landgrave of Hesse, was very fond of the Madonna.

Prince Donatus said his father had been involved in the rescue of the painting.  "The picture was moved during the second World War, before the destruction of the castle in Darmstadt.  In December 1945, my father brought it back from the Veste Coburg.  The American trust that transported the painting caught fire. but my father was able to extinguish the fire, and the painting was saved."

The Prince's earliest memory of the painting was when he was fifteen.  "I grew up in Schleswig-Holstein,  and when we visited our aunt Princess Margaret [of Hesse and By Rhine], she took us to the Castle Museum in Darmstadt, showed us the picture and explained its history.  This was a very memorable experience because you realized how much my aunt cared for this painting."

The prince was not involved in the negotiations for the sale of the painting.  The family foundation includes the prince and his three younger siblings, Princess Mafalda, Princess Elena and Prince Philipp.

The four children received 57% from the sale of the painting.  The remaining 45% will go to the Hessian House Foundation, which controls Schloss Fasanerie, the gardens, the Schlosshotel Kronberg and the "Hessicher Hof."   Prince Donatus said the money will be put in a newly established charitable foundation, and will help with the restoration of Schloss Fasanerie, near Fulda.

Schloss Fasanerie is currently under renovation?  

The prince responded: "Yes, with assistance from the federal and state governments.  Schloss Fasanerie was declared a national cultural moment.  The Fasanerie is really gem, so I'm happy that the bottom line will be helped by the sale of the painting.  The money now gives us the opportunity to make Fasanerie truly sustainable."

In 2003, the Hesse family allowed the painting to be placed on a long term loan in the Städel. A group of American soldiers, who specialized in returning art works to their rightful owners after the war, were involved with bringing the Holbein Madonna back to Darmstadt.  One of the soldiers involved in the rescue was Clyde Kenneth Harris of Amarillo, Texas.  It was in Darmstadt where he met his future wife, Princess Cecilie of Prussia, who was staying with Prince Ludwig and Princess Margaret of Hesse at their home, Schloss Wolfsgarten, in Langen.

The sale was negotiated by Count Christoph Douglas.  Although the final purchase price was not made public, it is believed that the oil painting by Hans Holbein the Younger sold for more than $70 million dollars.  The Städel museum's offer of $57 million was rejected.

Reinhold Würth is a billionaire whose fortune comes from the manufacturer of "screws and other industrial hardware.

Count Christoph told Bloomberg news that this was "the most important painting sold in Germany since World War II.  I had other willing buyers but they wanted to take it out of Germany, which wasn't allowed.  I could probably have sold it for more than 100 million euros if it wasn't barred from export."

The 1525-8 oil painting is titled "The Madonna with the Family Meyer."  It was painted on commission for Jakob Meyer, mayor of Basel.  The Meyer family owned the painting for almost 100 years.

"It is the transition from the wonderful German late Gothic to the Renaissance," said Count Christoph.  "When you stand in front of it you see how mystical, wonderful it was."

Mr. Würth "pledged to keep the painting on public view."  He said that the Städel Museum in Frankfurt and the Landesmuseum in Darmstadt "will be the preferred borrowers of the artwork."


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« Reply #19 on: September 08, 2012, 04:55:02 AM »


Daughter: Irina, Countess of Schönburg-Glauchau, born 1 April 1971, is a Hessian princess by birth and the wife of Alexander, Count of Schönburg-Glauchau, the bestselling writer and journalist. A granddaughter of Prince Christoph of Hesse, she now holds the title Countess of Schönburg-Glauchau as the wife of the head of the comital branch of the former sovereign aristocratic house of Schönburg.  



Mother: Yvonne, Gräfin Szapáry von Muraszombath, Széchysziget und Szapár


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Grandmother: Countess Ursula Szapary v. Muraszombath, Szechysziget u. Szapar, nee Baroness v. Richthofen, widowed Baroness de Vos van Steenwijk. on 6 Nov 2002, aged 96. Ursula was a cousin of the famous Red Baron, Manfred von Richthofen.







Daughter:
The Lady Gabriella Marina Alexandra Ophelia Windsor[/b], born on 23 April 1981, known both professionally and personally as Ella Windsor, is an English freelance feature writer, and the only daughter of Prince and Princess Michael of Kent (née Baroness Marie-Christine von Reibnitz).



Mother: Princess Michael of Kent (Baroness Marie Christine Anna Agnes Hedwig Ida; née von Reibnitz. born 15 January 1945, is an Austrian-Hungarian member of the British Royal Family. She is married to Prince Michael of Kent, who is a grandson of King George V.


Grandmother: Countess Maria Anna Szapary de Muraszombath Szechysziget et Szapar, born on 2 Aug 1911 in Baden bei Wien; died on 17 Apr 1988 in Sydney, NSW, Australia. Countess Maria Anna was born as the daughter of Count Frigyes Szapáry de Szapár, Muraszombat et Szcéhy-Sziget,an Austro-Hungarian diplomat of Hungarian origin serving as Ambassador at St. Petersburg, and Hedwig, Princess zu Windisch-Graetz. She married Baron Günther Hubertus von Reibnitz and on 16 November 1942 their son, Friedrich was born at Breslau. He was followed on 15 January 1945 by their daughter, Marie Christine, who was born near Karlsbad in the then Sudetenland.





interesting tid-bit:  Szapáry-Hesse relations
Princess Michael of Kent and Princess Yvonne of Hessen are fourth cousins: both them descend from Count Josef Szapary and Countess Johanna von Gatterburg.  

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« Reply #20 on: September 08, 2012, 10:36:33 AM »

Interesting ...
I think that Lady Gabriella Windsor takes after her father in the looks department though.
She too, has a bit of that Danish/Russian/Hesse appearance like her brother.
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« Reply #21 on: September 08, 2012, 10:49:26 AM »

The Hesse children with their Wales cousins






PeDe, this photo is sweet.  Star

Do you have the names of the children? Who is who?
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« Reply #22 on: September 08, 2012, 02:58:27 PM »

nope, unfortunately not.
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« Reply #23 on: September 08, 2012, 04:22:29 PM »



I try, they do look so alike  Sweating Please correct me if I´m wrong  Smiley

1. King George V
2. Princess Victoria of Wales
3. Princess Maud of Wales, later Queen of Norway?
4. Princess Elizabeth of Hesse?
5. Princess Alix of Hesse, later Empress of Russia
6. Ernst Ludwig, Grand Duke of Hesse
7. Prince Albert Victor, Duke of Clarence and Avondale
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« Reply #24 on: September 08, 2012, 06:36:37 PM »

Princesses and Landgravines of Hesse by marriage

1st generation: none

2nd generation: Princess Louise of Denmark · Princess Caroline of Nassau-Usingen

3rd generation: Princess Augusta of Prussia · Princess Louise Charlotte of Denmark

4th generation: Grand Duchess Alexandra Nikolaevna of Russia · Princess Anna of Prussia

5th generation: Princess Margaret of Prussia

6th generation: Princess Mafalda of Savoy · Princess Marie Alexandra of Baden · Princess Sophie of Greece and Denmark

7th generation: Princess Tatiana of Sayn-Wittgenstein-Berleburg · Yvonne, Gräfin Szapáry von Muraszombath, Széchysziget und Szapár

8th generation: Countess Floria Franziska Marie-Luisa Erika of Faber-Castell  · Laetitia Bechtolf

9th generation: none



6th Generation


Princess Mafalda of Savoy


Princess Marie Alexandra of Baden


Princess Sophie of Greece and Denmark (older sister of DoE)




7th Generation


Princess Tatiana of Sayn-Wittgenstein-Berleburg


Yvonne, Gräfin Szapáry von Muraszombath, Széchysziget und Szapár
Thanks for that interesting info Pede  Star
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« Reply #25 on: September 09, 2012, 01:27:40 AM »


you are most welcome, zinny  Star good to see you  Hug
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« Reply #26 on: September 09, 2012, 06:41:47 AM »



I try, they do look so alike  Sweating Please correct me if I´m wrong  Smiley

1. King George V
2. Princess Victoria of Wales
3. Princess Maud of Wales, later Queen of Norway?
4. Princess Elizabeth of Hesse?
5. Princess Alix of Hesse, later Empress of Russia
6. Ernst Ludwig, Grand Duke of Hesse
7. Prince Albert Victor, Duke of Clarence and Avondale

Miss Waynfleet, thank you.  Star
This is a very sweet picture.

I think you could be right about the three standing boys.
The two standing girls do look like Wales sisters to me.  (I'm not totally sure which ones?)
Elisabeth of Hesse was born the same year as Albert Victor so unless she was quite short I don't think that she could be sitting.  (Is the sitting girl a sister to the two standing?  Maud?  They are dressed alike.)
Is Number 5 a girl (Alix or Maud) or a boy (Alexander John or Freidrich)Huh?
Is this picture part of larger one where perhaps other family members have been cut off?
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« Reply #27 on: September 09, 2012, 04:28:00 PM »

Thanks Cloaked  Star

Maybe I mixed Victoria and Louise up, here a child picture of Victoria, Maud and Louise (in this order)



5 is a girl, I´m sure  Wink
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Prince Albert Victor of Wales (1864-1892); Princess Helene v. Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Augustenburg (1846-1923); Erbgroßherzog Ernst Ludwig v. Hessen und bei Rhein (1868-1937); Princess Ella (Elisabeth) v. Hessen und bei Rhein, later Grand Duchess Jelissaweta Fjodorowna v. Russland (1864-1918); Prince Christian v. Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Augustenburg (1831-1917); Prince Christian Viktor v. Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Augustenburg (1867-1900) /

Sitting from left to right, 2nd row: Princess Alix v. Hessen und bei Rhein, later Empress Alexandra Fjodorowna v. Russland (1872-1918); Queen Alexandra (1844-1925); Princess Victoria v. Hessen und bei Rhein,later Lady Mountbatten (1863-1950); Princess Luise of Wales, later Duchess of Fife (1867-1931); Prince George of Wales, later King Georg V. (1865-1936); Princess Viktoria of Wales (1868-1935); Grand Duke Ludwig IV. v. Hessen und bei Rhein

Sitting from left to right, 1st row: Princess Maude of Wales, later Queen of Norway (1869-1938); Prince Albert v. Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Augustenburg (1869-1931); Princess Irene von Hessen und bei Rhein, later Princess of Prussia (1866-1953)

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Princess Luise [Margarethe] of Wales, neé Princess of Prussia (1860-1917); Ernst Ludwig v. Hessen und bei Rhein (1868-1937); Princess Alix (Empress Alexandra); Grand Duke Ludwig IV.; 5. Prince Albert of Wales, later King Edward VII. (1841-1910); 6. Erbprinzessin Charlotte v. Meiningen geb. Prinzessin v. Preußen (1860-1919); 7. Queen Alexandra; 8. Princee Victoria of Wales; 9. King Konstantin of Greece (1868-1923); 10. King Christian IX. of Denmark  (8 April 1818 – 29 January 1906); 11. Princess Irene of Prussia; 12. queen Maud (1869-1938); 13. Prince Georg of Greece (1869-1957)
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« Reply #28 on: September 09, 2012, 04:31:41 PM »

Thanks Cloaked  Star

Maybe I mixed Victoria and Louise up, here a child picture of Victoria, Maud and Louise (in this order)



5 is a girl, I´m sure  Wink
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A great photo



Prince Albert Victor of Wales (1864-1892); Princess Helene v. Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Augustenburg (1846-1923); Erbgroßherzog Ernst Ludwig v. Hessen und bei Rhein (1868-1937); Princess Ella (Elisabeth) v. Hessen und bei Rhein, later Grand Duchess Jelissaweta Fjodorowna v. Russland (1864-1918); Prince Christian v. Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Augustenburg (1831-1917); Prince Christian Viktor v. Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Augustenburg (1867-1900) /

Sitting from left to right, 2nd row: Princess Alix v. Hessen und bei Rhein, later Empress Alexandra Fjodorowna v. Russland (1872-1918); Queen Alexandra (1844-1925); Princess Victoria v. Hessen und bei Rhein,later Lady Mountbatten (1863-1950); Princess Luise of Wales, later Duchess of Fife (1867-1931); Prince George of Wales, later King Georg V. (1865-1936); Princess Viktoria of Wales (1868-1935); Grand Duke Ludwig IV. v. Hessen und bei Rhein

Sitting from left to right, 1st row: Princess Maude of Wales, later Queen of Norway (1869-1938); Prince Albert v. Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Augustenburg (1869-1931); Princess Irene von Hessen und bei Rhein, later Princess of Prussia (1866-1953)

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In Marlborough House
Princess Luise [Margarethe] of Wales, neé Princess of Prussia (1860-1917); Ernst Ludwig v. Hessen und bei Rhein (1868-1937); Princess Alix (Empress Alexandra); Grand Duke Ludwig IV.; 5. Prince Albert of Wales, later King Edward VII. (1841-1910); 6. Erbprinzessin Charlotte v. Meiningen geb. Prinzessin v. Preußen (1860-1919); 7. Queen Alexandra; 8. Princee Victoria of Wales; 9. King Konstantin of Greece (1868-1923); 10. King Christian IX. of Denmark  (8 April 1818 – 29 January 1906); 11. Princess Irene of Prussia; 12. queen Maud (1869-1938); 13. Prince Georg of Greece (1869-1957)


You always have the best pictures, MW! Star

Is it odd that I kind of wish I had the outfits of the little girls in the first photo?  I don't care for the hats, but those little jackets and skirts are adorable.  I would probably wear something like that, even as an adult (if it was in a dark color).
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« Reply #29 on: September 09, 2012, 05:52:05 PM »

Thanks  Star  Smiley

Not that weird 
For example

https://marketplace.asos....ailor-collar-dress/434774

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