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« Reply #240 on: January 30, 2020, 09:58:25 PM »

I don't think it would be a good idea for Charles to change the title of the monarch but rather he should focus on living a life that aligns with being "defender of the faiths".  Actions not words.  Respect the history of his title and at the same time the multinationality and religious diversity of modern Britain (and his other realms).

He may have enough trouble on his hands with the "Queen Camilla" thing without rocking the boat on how the monarch is styled.

When was the last time the sovereign decided to change their title without the direction and advice of their ministers?

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« Reply #241 on: February 01, 2020, 05:17:27 AM »

Iím watching ďthe WindsorísĒ on Netflix, itís a biographical documentary. It reports that since the 1990ís, Charles was known to start his defender of all faiths theme. He even was the royal patron to a new Mosque being built in a London. Apparently, according to this documentary, the Queen and P. Philip were upset that he was doing whatever he wanted, even if it was controversial. It seems he didnít care much about what his parents wanted or what the courtiers wanted.
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« Reply #242 on: February 01, 2020, 06:39:39 AM »

I don't think it would be a good idea for Charles to change the title of the monarch but rather he should focus on living a life that aligns with being "defender of the faiths".  Actions not words.  Respect the history of his title and at the same time the multinationality and religious diversity of modern Britain (and his other realms).

He may have enough trouble on his hands with the "Queen Camilla" thing without rocking the boat on how the monarch is styled.

When was the last time the sovereign decided to change their title without the direction and advice of their ministers?

The actual title the Queen holds is 'Defender of The Faith' - singular as it is the Anglican faith.

The monarch can't change the title as the title was bestowed by parliament so only parliament can change it and Charles, himself, has backtracked from his desire to be 'Defender of Faith' since he made that comment in the early 90s.
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« Reply #243 on: February 01, 2020, 07:47:49 AM »

It's a pity though as it would be  wonderful  to include all religions now practised in the UK abndthe people involved
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« Reply #244 on: February 01, 2020, 08:13:38 AM »

I don't think it would be a good idea for Charles to change the title of the monarch but rather he should focus on living a life that aligns with being "defender of the faiths".  Actions not words.  Respect the history of his title and at the same time the multinationality and religious diversity of modern Britain (and his other realms).

He may have enough trouble on his hands with the "Queen Camilla" thing without rocking the boat on how the monarch is styled.

When was the last time the sovereign decided to change their title without the direction and advice of their ministers?

The actual title the Queen holds is 'Defender of The Faith' - singular as it is the Anglican faith.

The monarch can't change the title as the title was bestowed by parliament so only parliament can change it and Charles, himself, has backtracked from his desire to be 'Defender of Faith' since he made that comment in the early 90s.

The monarchs of the 16th Century had no trouble changing the title, or causing it to be changed, to suit their personal interests.  Henry was given the title in 1521 by Pope Leo because of the book he wrote defending aspects of the Catholic faith, including papal supremacy, against Martin Luther.  But as more time passed without his wife producing a son, and his eye increasingly and more intently wandered, he set out devising ways of getting around the problem so he could marry another woman.  In 1533 he persuaded Parliament to pass the Act of Succession rendering his daughter, Mary, illegitimate and legitimising his second marriage,  and then the Acts of Supremacy in 1534 making himself the head of the Church of England and then in 1544 he got Parliament to make him Defender of the Faith, the faith now being that of the C of E.  But then he died and his daughter Mary ended up queen and she set about "righting" her father's wrongs and slaughtering people who disagreed with her religion and got Parliament to repeal the legislation which made the monarch the head of the C of E and defender of that faith, and it wasn't till after the Restoration of the monarchy that the title came back and as meaning defender of the C of E faith.  

Seen in historical context, Defender of the Faith is a relatively modern and fluid concept which has changed with the times and with the whim of the monarch of the day.  I see no reason whatsoever why it should not change again in this increasingly secular 21st Century Britain to reflect the multi-faith nature of modern British society, especially in the state of flux that will inevitably follow the death of the woman who has been queen longer than most of her subjects have been alive.
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« Reply #245 on: February 01, 2020, 09:47:31 AM »

The current monarch doesn't have anywhere near the powers of the monarchs of the 16th Century. An event in January 1649 ended that - the execution of Charles I. Since then Parliament has been supreme in the UK and not the monarch with more and more of any 'residual powers' that the monarch had at the time of the restoration being removed. Today they aren't much more than a cypher as far as the laws of the land are concerned. The monarch and Duke of Cornwall can veto laws that directly affect them as Dukes of Lancester and Cornwall respectively but that power hasn't been put into effect for centuries. Otherwise they simply give assent to laws.

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« Reply #246 on: February 01, 2020, 01:48:34 PM »

The current monarch doesn't have anywhere near the powers of the monarchs of the 16th Century. An event in January 1649 ended that - the execution of Charles I. Since then Parliament has been supreme in the UK and not the monarch with more and more of any 'residual powers' that the monarch had at the time of the restoration being removed. Today they aren't much more than a cypher as far as the laws of the land are concerned. The monarch and Duke of Cornwall can veto laws that directly affect them as Dukes of Lancester and Cornwall respectively but that power hasn't been put into effect for centuries. Otherwise they simply give assent to laws.


I realise the monarch doesn't have any real power today, but I reckon if the new king says he wants to do it, parliament will do it. Or should, anyway.   It would be an inclusive act and a good idea IMO.  I would actually like to see a total severing of church and state but I don't think that's likely to happen.

I wonder what will happen about Camilla?  I do hope they both outlive Elizabeth, and that I do too so I find out.   
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