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« Reply #60 on: August 15, 2015, 11:11:56 PM »

Honestly if I had married The Prince of Wales, or another Windsor man, I would never have expected him to be faithful to me. That simply doesn't run in the family genes.  Wink

Diana was born into a world where mistresses were common. She knew the score. Although she may have been naiive,  she knew what happened in Upper class marriages
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« Reply #61 on: August 16, 2015, 12:44:26 AM »

Honestly if I had married The Prince of Wales, or another Windsor man, I would never have expected him to be faithful to me. That simply doesn't run in the family genes.  Wink

Diana was born into a world where mistresses were common. She knew the score. Although she may have been naiive,  she knew what happened in Upper class marriages

Debbie, sometimes I wonder if she went into the marriage with the mentality of "if he loves me, he won't cheat" but it never really bothered her when he cheated on her with others. I think the breaking point was when she saw the mistress acting like the wife and she was relegated to the title of wife in name only. That is where the disrespect came from and that is why both Phillip and HM were on her side. Even the QM did not approve of how much leeway Charles gave to his mistress. Everyone knew that there would be mistresses and there would be times when a blind eye must be turned. But he was disrespectful to the mother of his children as the mother of his children and he was disrespectful to her position as Princess of Wales.
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« Reply #62 on: August 16, 2015, 03:15:34 AM »

Honestly if I had married The Prince of Wales, or another Windsor man, I would never have expected him to be faithful to me. That simply doesn't run in the family genes.  Wink

Diana was born into a world where mistresses were common. She knew the score. Although she may have been naiive,  she knew what happened in Upper class marriages

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« Reply #63 on: August 16, 2015, 09:58:59 AM »

Honestly if I had married The Prince of Wales, or another Windsor man, I would never have expected him to be faithful to me. That simply doesn't run in the family genes.  Wink

Diana was born into a world where mistresses were common. She knew the score. Although she may have been naiive,  she knew what happened in Upper class marriages

Debbie, sometimes I wonder if she went into the marriage with the mentality of "if he loves me, he won't cheat" but it never really bothered her when he cheated on her with others. I think the breaking point was when she saw the mistress acting like the wife and she was relegated to the title of wife in name only. That is where the disrespect came from and that is why both Phillip and HM were on her side. Even the QM did not approve of how much leeway Charles gave to his mistress. Everyone knew that there would be mistresses and there would be times when a blind eye must be turned. But he was disrespectful to the mother of his children as the mother of his children and he was disrespectful to her position as Princess of Wales.

You could be right. Hazeleyes.  I also think that she was traumatised by what happened in her own parents marriage as she herself said that she would never want to divorce.  Diana also hated Highgrove.  She loved London and detested the country. Unfortunately, her refusal to visit with the boys allowed Camilla to take over. I agree that Charles was disrespectful but she made it easier for him.
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« Reply #64 on: August 16, 2015, 02:09:42 PM »

To be honest,I blame both of them  Cool Charles didn't love Diana and slowly came to realisation the marriage was a HUGE mistake Secret He was became closer to the Camilla  Spiteful  In the past Kings,Princes and etc.had mistresses and his wife was to keep a blind eye to the fact(they had lovers too Blush) And seriously,Diana cheated with  Barry Mannakee, James Hewitt, Will Carling, James Gilbey, Oliver Hoare and etc.She said about "three people" in her marriage, funniest part that she was the "third person" in those people's marriages(if I am correct, Oliver Hoare and Will Carling were married by the time the affairs started) Cute And then she brought their problems to the public eye and made it only worse Secret The fairy tale marriage ended  Snare
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« Reply #65 on: August 17, 2015, 12:09:39 PM »

"...Carling is married to his second wife Lisa, the ex-wife of David Cooke. The couple have two children, and the family live in Hampshire.[7] Carling has an older son with former partner Ali Cockayne. Carling was formerly married to the television presenter Julia Carling. Prior to their divorce, he was romantically linked by some members of the press with Diana, Princess of Wales, the then-wife of Prince Charles.[Crazy[9][10] Carling has denied any such relationship.[11]
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Oliver Hoare:
http://www.dailymail.co.u...-driving-minor-prang.html

"....Oliver Hoare, a friend of Prince Charles, had an affair with Diana after meeting her at a gym.

He and his French-born aristocrat wife Diane were also good friends of Camilla Parker Bowles's sister Annabel and her businessman husband Simon Elliott.

The affair was first revealed in 1994.

Diana was said to have made up to 300 calls to the home of the Islamic art specialist over an 18-month period in the early 1990s, following the end of their affair.

He was plagued by a caller who would say nothing before hanging up.

Investigations led police to believe the pest was using phone-boxes near Kensington Palace.

Diana admitted ringing his home a number of times in a Panorama interview but denied she had harassed Hoare.

Some of the calls were later revealed to be coming from Diana's private line in Kensington Palace, though others came from public telephone boxes.

It was later claimed that a disgruntled schoolmate of his son was responsible for the majority of the disturbing calls.

Hoare has never uttered a word publicly about the phone calls or his friendship with Diana.

Hoare's importance to Diana appears to have mushroomed into an affair after the death of her father in 1992.

He is three years older than the Prince of Wales and was 16 years older than Diana.

The extent of their relationship was revealed by Diana's former police protection officer Ken Wharfe in a book published five years after her death.

He related how, on one occasion, he had found Hoare semi-naked behind a potted bay tree in a Kensington Palace corridor, smoking a cigar. ..."
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« Reply #66 on: August 18, 2015, 12:12:51 PM »

To be honest,I blame both of them  Cool Charles didn't love Diana and slowly came to realisation the marriage was a HUGE mistake Secret He was became closer to the Camilla  Spiteful  In the past Kings,Princes and etc.had mistresses and his wife was to keep a blind eye to the fact(they had lovers too Blush) And seriously,Diana cheated with  Barry Mannakee, James Hewitt, Will Carling, James Gilbey, Oliver Hoare and etc.She said about "three people" in her marriage, funniest part that she was the "third person" in those people's marriages(if I am correct, Oliver Hoare and Will Carling were married by the time the affairs started) (Embarrassed] And then she brought their problems to the public eye and made it only worse Secret The fairy tale marriage ended  Snare

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« Reply #67 on: August 18, 2015, 01:35:30 PM »

My parents often used the saying: "Waar er twee vechten/kijven hebben er twee schuld" when we, the kids, came to them to complain about our arguments.

(waar er twee kijven/vechten, hebben er twee schuld can roughly be translated as when two quarrel/fight both are in the wrong )

In other words in most fight there is not only 1 party to blame (and the other solely the victim).
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« Reply #68 on: September 30, 2015, 04:25:50 PM »

Honestly if I had married The Prince of Wales, or another Windsor man, I would never have expected him to be faithful to me. That simply doesn't run in the family genes.  Wink

Diana was born into a world where mistresses were common. She knew the score. Although she may have been naiive,  she knew what happened in Upper class marriages

Debbie, sometimes I wonder if she went into the marriage with the mentality of "if he loves me, he won't cheat" but it never really bothered her when he cheated on her with others. I think the breaking point was when she saw the mistress acting like the wife and she was relegated to the title of wife in name only. That is where the disrespect came from and that is why both Phillip and HM were on her side. Even the QM did not approve of how much leeway Charles gave to his mistress. Everyone knew that there would be mistresses and there would be times when a blind eye must be turned. But he was disrespectful to the mother of his children as the mother of his children and he was disrespectful to her position as Princess of Wales.

I agree 100% it would annoy me too if someone would constantly rearange my furniture when I wasn't around.  But she brought Hewitt to Highgrove too so she got even.

Honestly if I had married The Prince of Wales, or another Windsor man, I would never have expected him to be faithful to me. That simply doesn't run in the family genes.  Wink

Diana was born into a world where mistresses were common. She knew the score. Although she may have been naiive,  she knew what happened in Upper class marriages

Perhaps but it isn't that uncommon for someone to hope that his or her partner would be faithful to them.


I found some pics, I haven't seen before









more here > > http://www.flickr.com/pho...5415405580/detail/?page=6
I remember the dress got some serious criticism at the time and I believe the designer said they soaked the fabric in household bleach to get it to match the stone work on the church and being a model Victoria had strong ideas of how she wanted the dress to look.

That dress is very icky.
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« Reply #69 on: September 30, 2015, 05:34:26 PM »

Honestly if I had married The Prince of Wales, or another Windsor man, I would never have expected him to be faithful to me. That simply doesn't run in the family genes.  Wink

Diana was born into a world where mistresses were common. She knew the score. Although she may have been naiive,  she knew what happened in Upper class marriages

Debbie, sometimes I wonder if she went into the marriage with the mentality of "if he loves me, he won't cheat" but it never really bothered her when he cheated on her with others. I think the breaking point was when she saw the mistress acting like the wife and she was relegated to the title of wife in name only. That is where the disrespect came from and that is why both Phillip and HM were on her side. Even the QM did not approve of how much leeway Charles gave to his mistress. Everyone knew that there would be mistresses and there would be times when a blind eye must be turned. But he was disrespectful to the mother of his children as the mother of his children and he was disrespectful to her position as Princess of Wales.

I agree 100% it would annoy me too if someone would constantly rearange my furniture when I wasn't around.  But she brought Hewitt to Highgrove too so she got even.

Honestly if I had married The Prince of Wales, or another Windsor man, I would never have expected him to be faithful to me. That simply doesn't run in the family genes.  Wink

Diana was born into a world where mistresses were common. She knew the score. Although she may have been naiive,  she knew what happened in Upper class marriages

Perhaps but it isn't that uncommon for someone to hope that his or her partner would be faithful to them.


I found some pics, I haven't seen before









more here > > http://www.flickr.com/pho...5415405580/detail/?page=6
I remember the dress got some serious criticism at the time and I believe the designer said they soaked the fabric in household bleach to get it to match the stone work on the church and being a model Victoria had strong ideas of how she wanted the dress to look.

That dress is very icky.

Yes, I agree. Victoria was very thin but that dress didn't flatter her at all and the band of fur didn't help. The wedding party all look as miserable as sin and the bride looks sad. I wonder Charles S said something sarcastic  to her before the ceremony as well as insulting her during his speech at the reception. It wouldn't surprise me.
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« Reply #70 on: September 30, 2015, 07:20:56 PM »


I seem to be alone with my taste but I like this wedding gown very much, it's like a costume from the Renaissance period. What strikes me most about this couple how serious/mature the bride looked while Spencer was an immature lad next to her.
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« Reply #71 on: September 30, 2015, 07:34:25 PM »

Someone should have taught Prince Charles how to sit gracefully. But this is not the topic here.  Halo

I think Diana was - at the beginning of her marriage - very naiv. She grew up very sheltered. I think she also mistook "oh my God I am going to be a princess" for "oh, I do love Charles". Who can blame her. She was 19 and very unexperienced.

The public outcry today if some "uneducated 18 year old" would marry some royal the age of Charles and get pregnant straight away would be heard all around the world. Society just has changed.

I think the Windsors just assumed she knew the rules (mistresses). She just believed that she was going to enter a fairy tale. Bad judgement on both sides.




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« Reply #72 on: October 04, 2015, 04:31:53 AM »

Honestly if I had married The Prince of Wales, or another Windsor man, I would never have expected him to be faithful to me. That simply doesn't run in the family genes.  Wink

Diana was born into a world where mistresses were common. She knew the score. Although she may have been naiive,  she knew what happened in Upper class marriages

Debbie, sometimes I wonder if she went into the marriage with the mentality of "if he loves me, he won't cheat" but it never really bothered her when he cheated on her with others. I think the breaking point was when she saw the mistress acting like the wife and she was relegated to the title of wife in name only. That is where the disrespect came from and that is why both Phillip and HM were on her side. Even the QM did not approve of how much leeway Charles gave to his mistress. Everyone knew that there would be mistresses and there would be times when a blind eye must be turned. But he was disrespectful to the mother of his children as the mother of his children and he was disrespectful to her position as Princess of Wales.

I agree 100% it would annoy me too if someone would constantly rearange my furniture when I wasn't around.  But she brought Hewitt to Highgrove too so she got even.

Honestly if I had married The Prince of Wales, or another Windsor man, I would never have expected him to be faithful to me. That simply doesn't run in the family genes.  Wink

Diana was born into a world where mistresses were common. She knew the score. Although she may have been naiive,  she knew what happened in Upper class marriages

Perhaps but it isn't that uncommon for someone to hope that his or her partner would be faithful to them.


I found some pics, I haven't seen before









more here > > http://www.flickr.com/pho...5415405580/detail/?page=6
I remember the dress got some serious criticism at the time and I believe the designer said they soaked the fabric in household bleach to get it to match the stone work on the church and being a model Victoria had strong ideas of how she wanted the dress to look.

That dress is very icky.

Yes, I agree. Victoria was very thin but that dress didn't flatter her at all and the band of fur didn't help. The wedding party all look as miserable as sin and the bride looks sad. I wonder Charles S said something sarcastic  to her before the ceremony as well as insulting her during his speech at the reception. It wouldn't surprise me.

Other than Harry, does any body know who the other kids are? Thanks!
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« Reply #73 on: October 04, 2015, 05:02:19 AM »

Charles and Victoria's bridal attendants were all from his side of the family. Strange! His niece, Emily McCorquodale (Sarah Spencer's daughter) was one bridesmaid. Two of Jane and Robert Fellowes' children were attendants. The Hon Alexander Fellowes was page boy with Harry. His sister, the Hon Eleanor Fellowes, was the other bridesmaid.
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« Reply #74 on: October 04, 2015, 02:21:57 PM »

Charles and Victoria's bridal attendants were all from his side of the family. Strange! His niece, Emily McCorquodale (Sarah Spencer's daughter) was one bridesmaid. Two of Jane and Robert Fellowes' children were attendants. The Hon Alexander Fellowes was page boy with Harry. His sister, the Hon Eleanor Fellowes, was the other bridesmaid.

Maybe she didn't have any nieces or nephews on her side?? I remember being so jealous, because she got to be Diana's sister and wear the tiara
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