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« Reply #15 on: January 31, 2013, 10:50:27 PM »

Thank you PeDe and Just a serf!  Your translation was wonderful.  Star Star
It's a frank and detailed interview.  Very nice.

It is so lovely that Marie and Henrik have a special French bond.  It is clear that Henrik is a loving     father-in-law with a great sense of humour.  Thumb up
Marie shows respect and seems to enjoy knowing his quirks.
It is really interesting to hear how each household practised teaching the two languages in their home when they were bringing up their children.  Thinking

I am impressed with Henrik's determination to know his grandchildren, on their own, in a personal way.
That is what I always detect when I see photos of him on outings with his grandchildren - that he loves their company.  I am also impressed that the Danish are happy people - less disgruntled than the French and the World's happiest in some surveys.  Thumb up

I hope that Henrik is successful in loosing some belly fat as I think that it will prolong his life and improve his health.

Viva Henrik!

It is sweet that Marie and Henrik did this joint interview.
It seems natural that they would get along in a special way.  I don't discount Mary's relationship with Henrik, however, I've not seen anything to indicate bad feelings between Mary and Henrik.  He seems to get along with everyone - Alexandra included.  (I wish he were my father-in-law.   )
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« Reply #16 on: January 31, 2013, 11:05:40 PM »

M: The only weak point of this enthusiasm is that sometimes questions arise whether to move forward. But this is a great quality of being satisfied. BTW, recent poll showed that, on a declarative, Danes are the happiest people in the world. - sooooo much better and more cleverly put than Mary's slow Danes comment too Wink

Yes, Maria.   Star

I immediately thought of the comparison of how each woman said effectively the same thing too.
It's an indication that Marie's language use is indeed superior to Mary's at the time.

Maria, do you ever think, as a Dane, that you are so happy and content that you keep the status quo rather that risk a change?  I'm interested as to how accurate the Danes feel to this assessment, first made by Mary and now again by Marie (but using more polite terms).
Could this secure, content and happy state of being Danish be a reason why the Danish Royal Family is not questioned about their expenditure, behaviour etc?  Perhaps, deep down, many Danes are not people who worry or complain so much.  
I bet this state of non anxiety adds to Danish good health and longivity.   Thumb up  
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« Reply #17 on: January 31, 2013, 11:29:30 PM »

Marie's language use is always superior to Mary's, even in English.  The same can be said of her ability to speak versus the speech stylings of her brother in law, Fred. Yes
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« Reply #18 on: February 01, 2013, 01:07:12 AM »

The sauce part is so funny and cute. I would be teasing him just the same -- it sounds very much from this interview like they have that sort of relationship. And serious kudos to Marie for her polite phrasing! They way she talks about France is far more palatable than the way the Aussie thing is brought up.
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« Reply #19 on: February 01, 2013, 01:31:34 AM »

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These constraint, did you hesitate before you got married?
H: before our union, there were many questions on points. At the time, people considered that the queen was a morganatic marriage mask. You, my dear daughter have a normal marriage, in which you are the equal of your husband. He is a prince, you are a princess. But it has not been my case. There is no reason why I should not be on the same footing as my wife. I have the impression, and that impression will last until the day I'll be in the grave, I'm the second choice. Besides, I'm not the only one since Prince Philip shares this view. Such inequality no longer existed in the twentieth century, let alone in the twenty-first. It is a lot of reversed modern discrimination. 5000 years ago, queens have made ​​their husbands kings. There is this the fact that English system is an exception and that was followed by Denmark and the Netherlands. Come to know why! Even in Egypt or in the Byzantium, the queens made their husbands emperors. This unfairness is quite hard to take.

You had, Madam, apprehensions before your wedding, were they justified?
M: They were. I've always been kind of a little nervous, but my fears were founded. What I did, however, is that I was able to exceed and exceed me. Solutions are found. Especially things so extraordinary to me that their arrivals clear all negative points, including the difficulty of being vulnerable.

Do you have more confidence now?
M: Confidence is a big word, but I have no doubt that my marriage has made me very happy.

What was your biggest challenge?
M: The language. I speak Spanish, English, but Danish is another story.
H: You are here for four years, but two years ago you were talking already very correctly. This is admirable because the Danish language is difficult, even the Danish themselves recognize that. Foreigners sometimes feel like they have a potato or yogurt in their mouth when they try it.
M: In addition, there is no Latin root, even if there are many French words on which to lean upon.

What languages ​​do you speak with your children
M: My husband speaks only Danish with our children and I try to talk French only, but my son responds to me in Danish! It is his resistance. He does not want me to speak French, but he understands everything. We try to teach them both. This is an advantage for them and it would be foolish to do otherwise.
H: I was yet firmer than the princess. We decided with my wife that our children would grow up bilingual. Today, when we have lunch with the family, they cater to their mother or me, they alternately speaking Danish and French. Sometimes even a sentence begins in one language and ends in another!
M: My husband actually speaks French without any accent.
H: Thanks to the firmness of their father! Otherwise all children take the easy way out, it's human.
M: They already tried the easy? I understand!
H: Yes! When they were very young they spoke only in Danish to me, just like your son. So I played the fool and I pretended not to understand. So one day they had beautiful child conversation. A journalist asked them what language they spoke with their dad, my sons, very surprisingly responded: "With our father, we speak French!" As if all fathers were necessarily French.
M: I would love for my children to say the same thing about me, but I'm not as strong as my father in law. And I love to speak Danish now that I'm more comfortable.

To return to your son, was the choice of Henrik as his first name a tribute to your father in law?
H: You would rather call him Henri.
M: I call him Henri, I can not call him differently, even if it also sounds very good with a "k". It was a tribute to my father in law of course, but I still love the name itself, just like my husband does. And since many of the boys in the family are called Christian or Frederik, we just had to go to the French part of the family!

Did your father in law guide you through your first steps at the Court?
I think we quickly understood. My father in law was immediately perceived how I was and how I functioned. He told me something very important: "do not give up, do not let them bother you, be yourself." I actually understood how the natural was essential. One must respect one's values ​​and beliefs, even if it is not always easy. It should be safe, provided that there is no reason to complain.

Your Highness, you have a very excellent expression to describe your situation: "A prince consort is a strange animal that must have both, the skin of a rhinoceros and sensibility of a seismograph," Are you this astonishing creature?
M: this sentence is great!
H: One binds and gags on one's words sometimes and feelings, but it is worth it for me.
M: at the same time, I think you have through these difficulties developed extraordinary talents. My father in law is a great poet, he makes beautiful sculptures. Maybe that frustration exerted on one side, exacerbates on the other as talent.

Since you both oblige to this reserve, do you keep a journal that would gather all your thoughts?
M: No, I never pour my thoughts into writing.
H: Yes, I keep a journal. It is not a secret, the Danes know. I note what I do, what goes through my head. I think it will be a interesting testimony.

Madam, you have often said that you wanted to keep a "normal family life", have you managed?
M: I think so. I want to be present for my children. I work like everyone else, have a holiday like everyone else. We try to have dinner as a family as often as possible, continue to see our friends, or go riding a bike at times ... in short, we have a simple life.
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« Reply #20 on: February 01, 2013, 01:42:06 AM »

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These constraint, did you hesitate before you got married?
H: before our union, there were many questions on points. At the time, people considered that the queen was a morganatic marriage mask. You, my dear daughter have a normal marriage, in which you are the equal of your husband. He is a prince, you are a princess. But it has not been my case. There is no reason why I should not be on the same footing as my wife. I have the impression, and that impression will last until the day I'll be in the grave, I'm the second choice. Besides, I'm not the only one since Prince Philip shares this view. Such inequality no longer existed in the twentieth century, let alone in the twenty-first. It is a lot of reversed modern discrimination. 5000 years ago, queens have made ​​their husbands kings. There is this the fact that English system is an exception and that was followed by Denmark and the Netherlands. Come to know why! Even in Egypt or in the Byzantium, the queens made their husbands emperors. This unfairness is quite hard to take.

It's 2013, and he's complaining it's "hard to take" he's not a damn EMPEROR!?!?! STFU, Henrik. Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead
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« Reply #21 on: February 01, 2013, 02:25:36 AM »


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And you, your Highness?
H: in spite of official duties, we have a normal life and I am also much interested in my children. However, I must admit, even though the Danish press wanted me to do this, I never change a diaper in my life!
M: this is a generational issue. My father has never changed diapers either.
H: I was considered a terrible father because I did not.

Princes Frederik and Joachim did they cede to this modernity?
H: Yes, but they would have taken good!
M: Yes, my husband changes diapers, but less than the crown prince! My husband is old school, like his father, but as I am too, it suits me.

Madam, you said that the Danes are modest as you seem to be ...
M: My husband rubbed off on me then. This is one of the most charming traits. He is so quiet! When I met him, I was amazed by his simplicity.

What are the things you are proud of?
My children of course. And the immense honor to be part of this family, including the humanitarian work I do.

Madam, in a previous interview you regreted, with the birth of your children and your obligations, not having had time to tend to "your nest" in your words, the castle Schackenborg. Now this is done?
Yes. The agricultural property is enormously, we spent much of our time there, because we want it running well. Since I married, I am very excited about this project. But one must choose one's priorities.

And you, your Highness, how you feel you are "at home" in the historic homes of the crown?
We put all our hearts into these houses, there is interior behind their stones. My wife makes fun of my tendency to systematically do the waltz in our residences. I really love these places when I travel back, if things do not move for two or three years in a salon for example, I want to reinvent the decor. It amuses me greatly. I do even in the rooms of our four or five residences. We're a little luxury gypsies.

The Queen said in statement "one doesn't deserves respect ..". What is the key to this respect?
M: One must know one's place and get involved with all his heart. Give everything you can. I realized it comes very natural. And it should not be too ole ole!
H: We are not a monarchy by divine right. Respect, far from being automatic, is earned and built. It is the same in society. Previously, children had to respect elders regardless of their qualities or their shortcomings. The classes were very rigid. Grades, as hierarchies. It no longer exists. Everyone must earn one's respect, especially in the case of royalty.

Are these statements compatible with happiness?
H: Of course. To achieve this, I think one should begin one's relationship with heart and continue with reason. With my wife, we very quickly made ​​an important distinction: "there's you, there's me, and there is us." There are three people in a relationship and I do not obviously mean the mistress! I'm talking about the couple entity must make room for three.
M: Spinoza wrote: "One must continue to desire what one has." I think it helps a lot. I do not yet have enough experience since we are married for four years, but I am confident.

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« Reply #22 on: February 01, 2013, 04:37:13 AM »

"Do not give up.  Do not let them bother you."  Hmmm...who is "them"?

"At family lunches we speak both French and Danish."

Poor Mary.  She must not have much of an opportunity to communicate with them.
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« Reply #23 on: February 01, 2013, 04:50:30 AM »

Since you both are double cultured Danish-French, could you tell us what you found most seductive in Denmark?
H: The frankness and spontaneity are major qualities of Danish. Another quality conformity, which allows a better understanding of the group, but originals and eccentrics are not very well liked.
M: I think it is a quality, they are happy people, very humble, very pleasant to live with. In this country, things are going well and people very rarely complain.
H: This is very true. On this point, they are the opposite of French who constantly denigrate their country, their system, their products. It shocks me when I'm in France. Denmark is quite opposite: Everything is wonderful Danish. This is fromidable.
M: The only weak point of this enthusiasm is that sometimes questions arise whether to move forward. But this is a great quality of being satisfied. BTW, recent poll showed that, on a declarative, Danes are the happiest people in the world.

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I really enjoyed the interview.

I wonder if they really know the questions beforehand and therefore prepares for it, or they only know the gist of it (not the whole details). Or do they just say to the interviewer "these are the no-no questions and we trust you with the rest". I suppose they have staff that vets these kinds of things.

That said, one part draws me and I snip that particular part above.
I like their answer. Articulate and smart and interesting in a concrete way.
Compare to the Crown Princess's answer of "well, it's a wonderful country. It's not like you can say bad things about it can you, etc"

However, yes I also know that this is a planned interview and not a spontaneous question from a journalist in an economic summit event. But surely she has been asked a number of times for them to know what to answer rather than just a "flippant" remarque.

But I suppose both Henrik and Marie are good for Mary to keep her French language from rusting.
I like multinational families. Makes learning languages so much easier.

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« Reply #24 on: February 01, 2013, 04:57:44 AM »

Since you both are double cultured Danish-French, could you tell us what you found most seductive in Denmark?
H: The frankness and spontaneity are major qualities of Danish. Another quality conformity, which allows a better understanding of the group, but originals and eccentrics are not very well liked.
M: I think it is a quality, they are happy people, very humble, very pleasant to live with. In this country, things are going well and people very rarely complain.
H: This is very true. On this point, they are the opposite of French who constantly denigrate their country, their system, their products. It shocks me when I'm in France. Denmark is quite opposite: Everything is wonderful Danish. This is fromidable.
M: The only weak point of this enthusiasm is that sometimes questions arise whether to move forward. But this is a great quality of being satisfied. BTW, recent poll showed that, on a declarative, Danes are the happiest people in the world.

Thank you, PeDe! I shall give you a blingified  Star when time allows! For now, a digital-hug  Hug
I really enjoyed the interview.

I wonder if they really know the questions beforehand and therefore prepares for it, or they only know the gist of it (not the whole details). Or do they just say to the interviewer "these are the no-no questions and we trust you with the rest". I suppose they have staff that vets these kinds of things.

That said, one part draws me and I snip that particular part above.
I like their answer. Articulate and smart and interesting in a concrete way.
Compare to the Crown Princess's answer of "well, it's a wonderful country. It's not like you can say bad things about it can you, etc"

However, yes I also know that this is a planned interview and not a spontaneous question from a journalist in an economic summit event. But surely she has been asked a number of times for them to know what to answer rather than just a "flippant" remarque.

But I suppose both Henrik and Marie are good for Mary to keep her French language from rusting.
I like multinational families. Makes learning languages so much easier.



The only problem is that Mary doesn't speak French.  The DRF website used to state that she spoke French, but they have since changed it.  She never actually spoke French, despite supposedly living in Paris and teaching English at a school that has never been named. 
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« Reply #25 on: February 01, 2013, 04:58:38 AM »

Marie is no different than Mary in trying to hold on to her roots, then. All I get from This interview is all about French this, French that. Poor Danes.

On a separate note, Fred does diapers duties more than Joachim. I guess that's a brownie point...?
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« Reply #26 on: February 01, 2013, 04:59:41 AM »

Gosh. It is a nice interview but it reveals what an entitled old conservative Henrik is. He feels hard done by as consort. He likes to redecorate every two or three years to amuse himself ( how much does this cost?). Marie says that France is her country, her heart, her roots.
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« Reply #27 on: February 01, 2013, 05:00:20 AM »

"Do not give up.  Do not let them bother you."  Hmmm...who is "them"?

"At family lunches we speak both French and Danish."

Poor Mary.  She must not have much of an opportunity to communicate with them.

keep in mind pixiekietteh, it's a google translation. A native French speaker would probably find a different version, with all nuances included.
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« Reply #28 on: February 01, 2013, 05:01:38 AM »

Since you both are double cultured Danish-French, could you tell us what you found most seductive in Denmark?
H: The frankness and spontaneity are major qualities of Danish. Another quality conformity, which allows a better understanding of the group, but originals and eccentrics are not very well liked.
M: I think it is a quality, they are happy people, very humble, very pleasant to live with. In this country, things are going well and people very rarely complain.
H: This is very true. On this point, they are the opposite of French who constantly denigrate their country, their system, their products. It shocks me when I'm in France. Denmark is quite opposite: Everything is wonderful Danish. This is fromidable.
M: The only weak point of this enthusiasm is that sometimes questions arise whether to move forward. But this is a great quality of being satisfied. BTW, recent poll showed that, on a declarative, Danes are the happiest people in the world.

Thank you, PeDe! I shall give you a blingified  Star when time allows! For now, a digital-hug  Hug
I really enjoyed the interview.

I wonder if they really know the questions beforehand and therefore prepares for it, or they only know the gist of it (not the whole details). Or do they just say to the interviewer "these are the no-no questions and we trust you with the rest". I suppose they have staff that vets these kinds of things.

That said, one part draws me and I snip that particular part above.
I like their answer. Articulate and smart and interesting in a concrete way.
Compare to the Crown Princess's answer of "well, it's a wonderful country. It's not like you can say bad things about it can you, etc"

However, yes I also know that this is a planned interview and not a spontaneous question from a journalist in an economic summit event. But surely she has been asked a number of times for them to know what to answer rather than just a "flippant" remarque.

But I suppose both Henrik and Marie are good for Mary to keep her French language from rusting.
I like multinational families. Makes learning languages so much easier.



The only problem is that Mary doesn't speak French.  The DRF website used to state that she spoke French, but they have since changed it.  She never actually spoke French, despite supposedly living in Paris and teaching English at a school that has never been named. 

Do you think the royal researchers made an oopsie with this one? They mistaken this Mary Donaldson with Dame Mary Donaldson, the only woman so far to be Lord Mayor of London, who did indeed teach English in Paris for a year?
http://www.telegraph.co.u.../Dame-Mary-Donaldson.html
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« Reply #29 on: February 01, 2013, 05:04:16 AM »

Royal researchers did no such thing. The claim that Mary lived in France teaching English is from Mary herself.
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