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« Reply #2580 on: March 06, 2023, 06:14:55 PM »

But due to the origine of the current Greek Royal Family he was already Prince of Greece and Denmark.


I was referring to Princess  suggesting that he could name himself "Glücksburg..etc.". Well, that would be a very very long name.
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« Reply #2581 on: March 06, 2023, 06:53:53 PM »

Isn't there a difference between a title and a last name though? I agree that they will never give up the titles and with four sons these things will have tentacles deep into the future unless something is done. Pavlos is really the last one in the direct line for whom that makes sense and it is tentative at best for him. Those pretty boy sons of his aren't heirs to anything but their mother's money. Pavlos doesn't seem to have a spine and seems conservative at his core so no grand gestures are coming from him. The issue of a last name is curious. Not many people had last names so to speak until a few hundred years ago you were named after your trade or town or other signifier. Doesn't Theodora use Greece as a last name for business? What other options do they have? Could they be the Tatoi family if they wanted for example?

They come from the Glücksburg “family” and could use that name

They have repeatedly said (I've heard Konstantinos in interviews) that "Glücksburg" is not a last name, it's a name of a place and hence they cannot use it as last name - which is pretty much what they do with "of Greece".
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« Reply #2582 on: March 06, 2023, 06:59:26 PM »

I think the public support for the funeral gave them all a taste of what it is like to be real royalty rather than pretend royalty and now they don’t quite know what to do with themselves.
The Greek Royal Family needs to be careful not to draw too many conclusions from the funeral. The members of the public who showed up for it were either hardcore monarchists or were curious about such a turnout of European royalty.

Regardless, the quasi-state nature of Constantine's funeral leaves the family in a curious position. They have no formal standing in Greece. And yet, by affecting the posture of a reigning family, they now have opened themselves up to the kind of criticism that a true reigning family has to endure as a matter of course. So, they're betwixt and between.


They have to adopt an actual surname. "Of Greece" is not a surname. As long as they go with "of Greece" they can't leave their lives. They have to solve this. Pavlos' kids have no idea about Greece, Philippos' kids will have even smaller connection to the country. They can't go on with "of Greece" as their surname.
They will never yield on that point. To give up 'Prince or Princess of Greece' would represent a severe downgrading of status in the rank-conscious world of European royalty. Constantine spent the final 55 years of his life - fecklessly in my opinion - trying to reclaim all that he had frittered away. To give up the titles now would be a repudiation of everything he had worked for during his lifetime.

I agree with the bold part!!!!
I also agree that their recent intense present brought them in the spotlight and that's where the criticism begins. Awekward place.

As for the 2nd part of the answer, I understand that a possible change of the last name will cause problems with their status but that demi situation is not helpful, it doesnn't solve anything.
I don't think that Konstantinos tried to reclaim the throne in later years. He only expressed deep sorrow about Tatoi (which was built with "private" fundings) and the fact that the greek state took away his nationality - which was really cruel and unnecessary IMO.
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« Reply #2583 on: March 06, 2023, 08:16:29 PM »

Maybe a surname with some personal meaning like Konstantinopoulos?
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« Reply #2584 on: March 06, 2023, 08:28:55 PM »

Achileas is now using the stage name "Achi Miller":
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm9485666/
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« Reply #2585 on: March 06, 2023, 08:45:50 PM »

The boys like MO were given double names maybe they could use their second names as functional last names? I think Miller is a great idea. It's honest and easy to spell/pronounce in English. I suspect the aversion to Glucksburg is that it is rather ugly.
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« Reply #2586 on: March 06, 2023, 09:54:04 PM »

Achileas is now using the stage name "Achi Miller":
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm9485666/
Oh, good for him!


I agree with peri, Miller is absolutely fine.


Now only Philippos' future kids are left, maybe they can take his wife surname as well.

Konstantinopoulos would be nice if they'd take the bold step to become greek citizens (legally, learning proper greek, giving the exams set by the ministry etc). I don't know if they would allow to do so...
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« Reply #2587 on: March 08, 2023, 09:46:54 PM »

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"The new Greek gods: Constantine II’s glamorous grandchildren have it all"
Money, power and beauty. Who needs a throne anyway? Tatler asks in the April 2023 issue

The descendants of Constantine II, the late last king of Greece, may no longer officially rule, but the dynasty is far from dead. Who needs Greece when you preside over New York, London, St Moritz, Paris and the Bahamas? Crown Prince Pavlos and his wife, Crown Princess Marie-Chantal (MC to friends), are the king and queen of the social realm.

They rule from their Upper East Side mansion in Manhattan, and three of their five children also live in New York: the two youngest – Prince Odysseas-Kimon, 18, and Prince Aristidis-Stavros, 14 – and Prince Achileas-Andreas, 22, who studies at NYU. Prince Constantine-Alexios (aka ‘Tino’, a Georgetown graduate and godson of the Prince of Wales), 24, flits between New York and London – where he ‘always has a table’ at The Box – and Princess Maria-Olympia, 26, is based in Notting Hill.

At precisely 7.30am every day, MC leaves her Manhattan pile to walk her dog in the park, before having breakfast with the family. She’s ‘organised, relaxed and controlled… and doesn’t suffer any fools’, attests close friend Taki Theodoracopulos. By day, she designs her childrenswear line and later might be found dining at Eli’s wine bar and Gina La Fornarina or Balthazar. MC’s tipple? A piscine – champagne with ice cubes.

But the Greeces are truly transatlantic. The social circuit in London almost imploded in 2017 when MC and Pavlos left. Their palatial Cheyne Walk house had been the hottest dinner-party spot in town; invitations to their Cotswolds mansion have long been coveted (Valentino and Queen Maxima of the Netherlands visited for Pavlos and Olympia’s joint birthday); and the shoot at their home on the sprawling estate of Gunnerside, Yorkshire – owned by MC’s father, hedge-fund tycoon Robert Miller – remains the hot ticket (as Fritz von Westenholz and Arthur Mornington can both attest). When they aren’t hosting, the couple are doing the royal wedding circuit across Europe, including Princess Eugenie’s in 2018.

MC still catches up with her London friends, who include Beatrice Vincenzini (India Warrender’s mother), Amanda Brooks and Marianna Lemos. Or Pavlos’s brother Prince Philippos and his VistaJet heiress wife, Princess Nina. Her hangouts: Scott’s, Chiltern Firehouse, the Hurlingham or Casa Cruz.

Luckily, one of the royal brood stayed behind. NYU alum Princess Olympia has become the undisputed It girl of London. (Her godfather is King Charles III, after all.)

‘Everyone wants her at their parties. She’s the life and soul,’ says a friend. ‘I adore her!’ says society photographer German Larkin. ‘She has that sleek, stylish look every photographer loves to portray.’ Otherwise, Olympia’s on the front row at fashion shows or holding court at 5 Hertford Street or KOKO, arm-in-arm with Ella Richards, Lady Lola Bute and Tish Weinstock, or her boyfriend, the Hon Peregrine Pearson (the Cowdray heir), known for throwing ‘wild afterparties’ at his house in Chelsea, which he shares with Ella’s boyfriend, Sascha von Bismarck. To relax, she runs with her sausage dog, Echo, around Hyde Park. ‘She’s a terrific dog mum,’ gushes Isabel Getty.

But Olympia is more than just a lady of leisure. ‘People think she doesn’t really do anything,’ says one socialite. ‘But she’s an ambassador for Aquazzura: she’s always wearing Aquazzura heels, promoting them, she loves what she does.’ Don’t forget, she’s a Louis Vuitton girl, too.

She’s not the only model in the family. Pavlos and Constantine have starred in a Dior campaign, shot by Nikolai von Bismarck. Then there’s the fluffy-haired heartthrob ‘Achi’, who is dating Isabella Massenet (the daughter of MC’s best friend, Natalie). ‘Fit, fit, fit’ is how one Wellington contemporary describes him. ‘In a school play [Grease, fittingly], he was an extra. I used to stare at him on stage in his leather jacket,’ she says. One friend confirms he’s an aspiring professional actor.

Summers are for Greek island- hopping. It’s weeks of boat trips, scuba-diving and lunching on Milos, Patmos and Spetses for this gang; and when in Athens, they recommend the Astir Palace, The Margi or the Hotel Grande Bretagne. Come winter, the whole family jets off to Gstaad and St Moritz, where last year, Olympia was crowned the Corviglia Club’s Glamour Girl, the ultimate high-society plaudit.

Looks, money, power: the Greeces have everything. But do they act like it? No, it seems. ‘They are a very stately family,’ says one insider. ‘They’re well raised and very polite,’ says another. That’s all down to MC’s strict position on manners. ‘In my family, manners and kindness really do matter,’ she has said. Phones at the dinner table? Not even for Instagram.

They ‘have a very normal upper-class life, they don’t seek the limelight. There are no Prince Andrews in this family,’ says Theodoracopulos. And rumour has it, Cheyne Walk may be about to get a dusting down. ‘They’ll resettle in England soon I think.’ Make way for a new royal court.

https://www.tatler.com/ar...grandchildren-have-it-all
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« Reply #2588 on: March 08, 2023, 10:02:05 PM »

The 'Greek gods' headline is pretty stupid but they seem like a nice enough family. The kids are typical rich kids but don't seem to act out or do anything stupid publicly, and they all seem very close. I can see MC taking behaving a certain way very seriously as well - wouldn't surprise me that she's all about manners and looking well bred so to speak.
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« Reply #2589 on: March 08, 2023, 10:25:40 PM »

A dead ringer for son number 3 ( Odysseas ?) was on my EasyJet flight back from Mallorca to Gatwick (London) last week. Travelling alone...honestly..his double! Could it have been?  Thinking
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« Reply #2590 on: March 08, 2023, 11:15:45 PM »

The 'Greek gods' headline is pretty stupid but they seem like a nice enough family. The kids are typical rich kids but don't seem to act out or do anything stupid publicly, and they all seem very close. I can see MC taking behaving a certain way very seriously as well - wouldn't surprise me that she's all about manners and looking well bred so to speak.
Theodorakopoulos always talks like this about them.

He used to write in a magazine glorifying them...

My only wish is for them to get to actually know greek language and culture if they're about to keep "of Greece" to their names.
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« Reply #2591 on: March 09, 2023, 01:04:21 AM »

I remember Taki around the time of the wedding. A veritable Greek royal sycophant. A professional naughty boy who was allowed to party with the elite and write curated gossip about them. Both fun and exasperating. I think he was also close to the guy who was matchmaking Pavlos and MC. Alex somebody.
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« Reply #2592 on: March 09, 2023, 02:30:51 AM »

Isn't there a difference between a title and a last name though? I agree that they will never give up the titles and with four sons these things will have tentacles deep into the future unless something is done. Pavlos is really the last one in the direct line for whom that makes sense and it is tentative at best for him. Those pretty boy sons of his aren't heirs to anything but their mother's money. Pavlos doesn't seem to have a spine and seems conservative at his core so no grand gestures are coming from him. The issue of a last name is curious. Not many people had last names so to speak until a few hundred years ago you were named after your trade or town or other signifier. Doesn't Theodora use Greece as a last name for business? What other options do they have? Could they be the Tatoi family if they wanted for example?

They come from the Glücksburg “family” and could use that name

wot's wrong with taking his wife's surname.

Miller, sounds good. and it's got $$$

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« Reply #2593 on: March 09, 2023, 04:02:26 AM »

Taki Theodoracopulos? Of Taki’s magazine? That Taki?  Yikes  I’m honestly shocked that they would publicly ally themselves with someone who supports so many far far far right organizations (like Golden Dawn and the Proud Boys). I don’t want to get into politics here (because honestly I use Royal watching as a way to detox from politics) but anyone wondering about Taki could just cast an eye over his wiki page and see if they’d be happy having their (fake) royal family cozying up to someone who has racked up that many scandals. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taki_Theodoracopulos
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« Reply #2594 on: March 09, 2023, 09:30:00 AM »

Oh my God, thank you both, peri and VanillaMoomin!
I had written a huge text to post here, talking about him, the magazine he used to write, the mentality in Greece back then, all these being part of the problem and how we were led to the crisis etc...
I didn't post it because I thought it was too much background information.

Thanks for saying this and I'm not the only one to see it this way!
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