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« Reply #180 on: April 07, 2020, 05:43:08 PM »

How Brits do titles confuses me, but if the father (when alive) was a marquess, why wasn't his son an earl instead of a viscount?
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« Reply #181 on: April 07, 2020, 06:23:36 PM »

How Brits do titles confuses me, but if the father (when alive) was a marquess, why wasn't his son an earl instead of a viscount?

It depends on what titles the father has.  The title holder uses the highest, their eldest son the next highest, and so on.  For this family they only have Marquess, Viscount, and Baron so it goes father, son, and grandson. 

Other family might not use the next highest because it sounds to similar to the main title.  The Duke of Westminster is an example of that because the next highest title he has is Marquess of Westminster but because itís too confusing the heir uses the third highest Earl Grosvenor.  The grandson uses Viscount Belgravia and while they have a Barony (Baron Grosvener) itís not used for a great-grandson because itís too confusing with the Earl. 

Basically itís weird and confusing and thereís always a decent chance that each family does something a little bit different. 
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« Reply #182 on: April 07, 2020, 07:03:30 PM »

How Brits do titles confuses me, but if the father (when alive) was a marquess, why wasn't his son an earl instead of a viscount?

It depends on what titles the father has.  The title holder uses the highest, their eldest son the next highest, and so on.  For this family they only have Marquess, Viscount, and Baron so it goes father, son, and grandson. 

Other family might not use the next highest because it sounds to similar to the main title.  The Duke of Westminster is an example of that because the next highest title he has is Marquess of Westminster but because itís too confusing the heir uses the third highest Earl Grosvenor.  The grandson uses Viscount Belgravia and while they have a Barony (Baron Grosvener) itís not used for a great-grandson because itís too confusing with the Earl. 

Basically itís weird and confusing and thereís always a decent chance that each family does something a little bit different. 

Thank you for the explanation!
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« Reply #183 on: April 09, 2020, 12:14:03 PM »

The heir to a viscount is merely "Honorable," even if there's a barony in the family.  "Their Noble Lordships" by Simon Winchester gives a very good explanation of the different titles in the UK.
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« Reply #184 on: April 09, 2020, 12:21:03 PM »

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« Reply #185 on: April 23, 2020, 11:42:38 PM »

Came across this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMLWf1Zyd_k

I always thought he skipped their wedding because of the bride's race, but apparently because the son took down the (now late) marquess's ugly murals.
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« Reply #186 on: April 24, 2020, 12:10:22 AM »

Did anyone ever see the show "Keys to the Castle"?  John Barrowman hosted it and went into stately homes that were still used as residences, such as the castle in Scotland that inspired MacBeth.  He visited Longleat and all I can say is...wow.  That was a bizarre place.  One of the bathrooms had side by side toilets!

It was neat, however, that he had the wildlife park which I understand was really well done.

Edit:  The documentary is available on YouTube!  Well worth a watch!
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« Reply #187 on: April 24, 2020, 12:48:49 AM »

The mother skipped because of Emma's race. I think she said something to her son to the effect of - 'How dare you ruin years and years of white blood!'
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« Reply #188 on: April 24, 2020, 01:03:25 AM »

Did anyone ever see the show "Keys to the Castle"?  John Barrowman hosted it and went into stately homes that were still used as residences, such as the castle in Scotland that inspired MacBeth.  He visited Longleat and all I can say is...wow.  That was a bizarre place.  One of the bathrooms had side by side toilets!

It was neat, however, that he had the wildlife park which I understand was really well done.

Edit:  The documentary is available on YouTube!  Well worth a watch!
Those murals were soooo creepy!!!!
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« Reply #189 on: April 24, 2020, 10:17:43 PM »

Does anyone know if the Marchioness has local friends and has been accepted by her husband's friends?
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« Reply #190 on: April 25, 2020, 01:16:30 AM »

Does anyone know if the Marchioness has local friends and has been accepted by her husband's friends?

I remember reading somewhere that they grew up around each other, so itís possible that they have some of the same friends.
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« Reply #191 on: April 25, 2020, 01:22:04 AM »

IIRC her maternal half-brother is married to her husband's aunt (the late Marquess's paternal half-sister).
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« Reply #192 on: April 25, 2020, 02:06:41 AM »

I got the vibe that they have a lot of friends in common and she's an easy going/likeable sort.
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« Reply #193 on: April 25, 2020, 04:37:52 AM »

Thanks guys. I read an article, maybe it was this thread, and she also seemed a likable sort and, hardly common at all. Comes from a fancy background and is peer sort of aristo type.
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« Reply #194 on: June 02, 2020, 01:27:30 PM »

The wiki about Emma:

https://en.wikipedia.org/...Early_life_and_background


Express article about the family feuds with Emma involved (including her own mother):

https://www.express.co.uk...ing-strictly-come-dancing

".....Sheís the daughter of Nigerian billionaire oil tycoon Oladipo Jadesimi and English socialite Suzanna McQuiston. The Marchioness of Bath first met her husband when they were children. Emmaís half-brother Iain McQuiston is married to Ceawlinís aunt Lady Silvy, and according to the British magazine Tatler, Emma met her future husband when she was a bridesmaid aged four at their wedding. ďI would see Ceawlin at Christmas, Easter and family get-togethers,Ē she told Tatler [in 2013.] Romance did not spark however until the pair ran into each at London membersí club Soho House decades later...."




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