Marquess of Bath

[jolene]

How Brits do titles confuses me, but if the father (when alive) was a marquess, why wasn't his son an earl instead of a viscount?

[Oh_Caroline]

How Brits do titles confuses me, but if the father (when alive) was a marquess, why wasn't his son an earl instead of a viscount?

It depends on what titles the father has.  The title holder uses the highest, their eldest son the next highest, and so on.  For this family they only have Marquess, Viscount, and Baron so it goes father, son, and grandson. 

Other family might not use the next highest because it sounds to similar to the main title.  The Duke of Westminster is an example of that because the next highest title he has is Marquess of Westminster but because it’s too confusing the heir uses the third highest Earl Grosvenor.  The grandson uses Viscount Belgravia and while they have a Barony (Baron Grosvener) it’s not used for a great-grandson because it’s too confusing with the Earl. 

Basically it’s weird and confusing and there’s always a decent chance that each family does something a little bit different. 

[Principessa]

How Brits do titles confuses me, but if the father (when alive) was a marquess, why wasn't his son an earl instead of a viscount?

It depends on what titles the father has.  The title holder uses the highest, their eldest son the next highest, and so on.  For this family they only have Marquess, Viscount, and Baron so it goes father, son, and grandson. 

Other family might not use the next highest because it sounds to similar to the main title.  The Duke of Westminster is an example of that because the next highest title he has is Marquess of Westminster but because it’s too confusing the heir uses the third highest Earl Grosvenor.  The grandson uses Viscount Belgravia and while they have a Barony (Baron Grosvener) it’s not used for a great-grandson because it’s too confusing with the Earl. 

Basically it’s weird and confusing and there’s always a decent chance that each family does something a little bit different. 

Thank you for the explanation!

[Celia]

The heir to a viscount is merely "Honorable," even if there's a barony in the family.  "Their Noble Lordships" by Simon Winchester gives a very good explanation of the different titles in the UK.

[Oh_Caroline]

Oops 

[jolene]

Came across this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMLWf1Zyd_k

I always thought he skipped their wedding because of the bride's race, but apparently because the son took down the (now late) marquess's ugly murals.

[Cordelia Fitzgerald]

Did anyone ever see the show "Keys to the Castle"?  John Barrowman hosted it and went into stately homes that were still used as residences, such as the castle in Scotland that inspired MacBeth.  He visited Longleat and all I can say is...wow.  That was a bizarre place.  One of the bathrooms had side by side toilets!

It was neat, however, that he had the wildlife park which I understand was really well done.

Edit:  The documentary is available on YouTube!  Well worth a watch!

[Ellie]

The mother skipped because of Emma's race. I think she said something to her son to the effect of - 'How dare you ruin years and years of white blood!'

[jolene]

Did anyone ever see the show "Keys to the Castle"?  John Barrowman hosted it and went into stately homes that were still used as residences, such as the castle in Scotland that inspired MacBeth.  He visited Longleat and all I can say is...wow.  That was a bizarre place.  One of the bathrooms had side by side toilets!

It was neat, however, that he had the wildlife park which I understand was really well done.

Edit:  The documentary is available on YouTube!  Well worth a watch!

Those murals were soooo creepy!!!!

[Paulina]

Does anyone know if the Marchioness has local friends and has been accepted by her husband's friends?

[anastasia beaverhausen]

Does anyone know if the Marchioness has local friends and has been accepted by her husband's friends?

I remember reading somewhere that they grew up around each other, so it’s possible that they have some of the same friends.

[Oh_Caroline]

IIRC her maternal half-brother is married to her husband's aunt (the late Marquess's paternal half-sister).

[jolene]

I got the vibe that they have a lot of friends in common and she's an easy going/likeable sort.

[Paulina]

Thanks guys. I read an article, maybe it was this thread, and she also seemed a likable sort and, hardly common at all. Comes from a fancy background and is peer sort of aristo type.

[Principessa]

The wiki about Emma:

https://en.wikipedia.org/...Early_life_and_background


Express article about the family feuds with Emma involved (including her own mother):

https://www.express.co.uk...ing-strictly-come-dancing

".....She’s the daughter of Nigerian billionaire oil tycoon Oladipo Jadesimi and English socialite Suzanna McQuiston. The Marchioness of Bath first met her husband when they were children. Emma’s half-brother Iain McQuiston is married to Ceawlin’s aunt Lady Silvy, and according to the British magazine Tatler, Emma met her future husband when she was a bridesmaid aged four at their wedding. “I would see Ceawlin at Christmas, Easter and family get-togethers,” she told Tatler [in 2013.] Romance did not spark however until the pair ran into each at London members’ club Soho House decades later...."