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« Reply #30 on: July 06, 2015, 06:01:02 PM »

An article about Ella's marriage to her brother's tutor:

http://query.nytimes.com/...3A25753C2A96F9C946396D6CF
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« Reply #31 on: July 06, 2015, 06:04:55 PM »

An article about Ella's marriage to her brother's tutor:

http://query.nytimes.com/...3A25753C2A96F9C946396D6CF

Thanks, but wadly, you've to log in to read it.  Sad

After his wife's death btw. he married her sister Gertrude.
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« Reply #32 on: July 06, 2015, 06:08:55 PM »

An article about Ella's marriage to her brother's tutor:

http://query.nytimes.com/...3A25753C2A96F9C946396D6CF

Thanks, but wadly, you've to log in to read it.  Sad

After his wife's death btw. he married her sister Gertrude.

Sad indeed

I just calculated Ella and her hubby had an age difference of about 14 years. The age difference with Gertrud would be much bigger................let see: 22 years   Blink Nerves
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« Reply #33 on: July 06, 2015, 06:09:43 PM »

But it seems FJ had typical comments and or actions with regard to the marriages of his three "Elisabeth" granddaughters 
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« Reply #34 on: July 06, 2015, 06:11:39 PM »

But it seems FJ had typical comments and or actions with regard to the marriages of his three "Elisabeth" granddaughters 

Indeed he had. He was very much a fan of them so to say.
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« Reply #35 on: July 06, 2015, 06:13:10 PM »

Ella was a really beautiful girl:

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« Reply #36 on: July 06, 2015, 06:15:52 PM »

An article about Ella's marriage to her brother's tutor:

http://query.nytimes.com/...3A25753C2A96F9C946396D6CF

Thanks, but wadly, you've to log in to read it.  Sad

After his wife's death btw. he married her sister Gertrude.


Sad indeed

I just calculated Ella and her hubby had an age difference of about 14 years. The age difference with Gertrud would be much bigger................let see: 22 years   Blink Nerves


Still 22 years is nothing compared to this one:

In August 1795, Maria Leopoldine was forced to marry Charles Theodore, Elector of Bavaria, who was 52 years older. The marriage was arranged with the hope that it would result in a son and heir for the senior line of the House of Wittelsbach, but Maria Leopoldine rejected sexual contact with her husband. Instead, she started to take lovers, among them Maximilian of Palatinate-Zweibrücken and Maximilian von Montgelas.
(Can't blame her!)

She was the daughter of Archduke Ferdinand and Maria Beatrice of Modena. As sister of Empress Maria Ludovica (the third wife of Franz I/II)
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« Reply #37 on: July 06, 2015, 06:17:39 PM »

Ella was a really beautiful girl:



She was. It's sad she died so young.
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« Reply #38 on: July 06, 2015, 06:23:30 PM »

An article about Ella's marriage to her brother's tutor:

http://query.nytimes.com/...3A25753C2A96F9C946396D6CF

Thanks, but wadly, you've to log in to read it.  Sad

After his wife's death btw. he married her sister Gertrude.


Sad indeed

I just calculated Ella and her hubby had an age difference of about 14 years. The age difference with Gertrud would be much bigger................let see: 22 years   Blink Nerves


Still 22 years is nothing compared to this one:

In August 1795, Maria Leopoldine was forced to marry Charles Theodore, Elector of Bavaria, who was 52 years older. The marriage was arranged with the hope that it would result in a son and heir for the senior line of the House of Wittelsbach, but Maria Leopoldine rejected sexual contact with her husband. Instead, she started to take lovers, among them Maximilian of Palatinate-Zweibrücken and Maximilian von Montgelas.
(Can't blame her!)

She was the daughter of Archduke Ferdinand and Maria Beatrice of Modena. As sister of Empress Maria Ludovica (the third wife of Franz I/II)

WTF!?

And I thought the 41 years age difference between king Willem III of the Netherlands and his second wife princess Emma of Waldeck Pyrmont was absurd.
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« Reply #39 on: July 06, 2015, 06:29:16 PM »

An article about Ella's marriage to her brother's tutor:

http://query.nytimes.com/...3A25753C2A96F9C946396D6CF

Thanks, but wadly, you've to log in to read it.  Sad

After his wife's death btw. he married her sister Gertrude.


Sad indeed

I just calculated Ella and her hubby had an age difference of about 14 years. The age difference with Gertrud would be much bigger................let see: 22 years   Blink Nerves


Still 22 years is nothing compared to this one:

In August 1795, Maria Leopoldine was forced to marry Charles Theodore, Elector of Bavaria, who was 52 years older. The marriage was arranged with the hope that it would result in a son and heir for the senior line of the House of Wittelsbach, but Maria Leopoldine rejected sexual contact with her husband. Instead, she started to take lovers, among them Maximilian of Palatinate-Zweibrücken and Maximilian von Montgelas.
(Can't blame her!)

She was the daughter of Archduke Ferdinand and Maria Beatrice of Modena. As sister of Empress Maria Ludovica (the third wife of Franz I/II)

WTF!?

And I thought the 41 years age difference between king Willem III of the Netherlands and his second wife princess Emma of Waldeck Pyrmont was absurd.

I know it's so ridiculous by today's standards. But Maria Leopoldine was quite some character. After the death of her first husband she basically rejected all plans for a second equal marriage and instead married her lover with whom she had two children later on.
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« Reply #40 on: July 06, 2015, 07:22:20 PM »

Erzsi's descendants:

1) Franz Josef Marie Otto Antonius Ignatius Oktavianus (1904-1981) married Countess Ghislaine d'Arschot-Schoenhoven (1912-1997)

His children:
1.1) Stéphanie Marie Eva (1939) married in 1967 Dermot Blundell-Hollinshead-Blundell (1935-2009) (divorce 1973)
1.1.1) Henry Victor Guillaume Blundell-Hollinshead-Blundell (1967) married in 2000 Lisa Lucie Abbadjian (1966).
1.1.1.1) Éléomore Mélinée Blundell-Hollinshead-Blundell (2002)
1.1.1.2) Bryan Varham John Blundell-Hollinshead-Blundell (2005)
1.1.2) Alexander Otto, prince of Windisch-Graetz (1969) married in 2004 Anne Charlotte Le Sellier de Chezelles (1970)
1.1.2.1) Élisabeth-Marie, Prinzessin von Windisch-Graetz (2005)
1.1.2.2) Otto, Prinz von Windisch-Graetz (2007)
1.1.2.3) Hermine, princess of Windisch-Graetz (2011)
1.2) Guillaume Franz Josef Maria (1950)

2) Ernst Weriand Maria Otto Antonius Expeditus Anselmus (1905-1952) married in 1927 1. Helena Skinner (1906-1982) and in 1947 2. Eva, baroness of Isbary (1921)        

His children from 1st marriage:
2.1) Otto Ernst Wilhelm (born 1928) married in 1957 1. Johanna, countess of Wimpffen (1936) and in 1969 2. Maria Magdalena Gamper (1932)
2.1.1) Henriette Raphaela, princess of Windisch-Graetz (1958) married Wilhelm Böhm von Bawerk (1945)
2.1.1.1) Emanuel Wilhelm Otto Böhm von Bawerk (1999)
2.1.1.2) Rafael David Nikolaus Windisch-Grätz (1985 - 2006) (father unknown)
2.1.2) Désirée Eleonore Maria Felicitas, princess of Windisch-Graetz (1959) married Martin, count of Herberstein (1961)
2.1.2.1) Chantal, countess of Herberstein (1986)
2.1.2.2) Natalie, countess of Herberstein (1989)
2.1.3) Philipp Amadeus Otto Ernst, prince of Windisch-Graetz  (1960) married 1. Andrea Eleonore Krejci (1956), married 2. Sabine Pscheid (1976)
2.1.3.1) Franz Josef Otto Weriand, prince of Windisch-Grätz (1986)
2.1.3.2) Maximilian Konstantin Weriand, prince of Windisch-Grätz (1988)
2.1.3.3) Konstantin Gideon Otto Maria, prince of Windisch-Grätz (1990)
2.1.3.4) Melanie Louise Anastasia, princess of Windisch-Grätz (1991)
2.1.3.5) Alexander Sebastian, prince of Windisch-Grätz (1993)
2.1.4) Ernst Albrecht, prince of Windisch-Graetz (1962) married Michaela Pück (1963)
2.1.4.1) Benedikt, prince of Windisch-Grätz (1998)
2.1.4.2) Johannes Florian Ernest Joachim Franz Thomas, prince of Windisch-Grätz (2000)
2.1.5) Dominique, princess of Windisch-Graetz (1966) married Andreas, baron Dóczy von Nemet-Keresztur (1960)
2.1.5.1) Clemens Ludwig, baron Dóczy von Nemet-Keresztur (1992)
2.1.5.2) Christoph Franziskus Ludwig Otto Maria, baron Dóczy von Nemet-Keresztur (2000)
2.1.6) Johannes Hubertus Ladislaus Maria, prince of Windisch-Grätz (1971) married Judith Wurm (1973)
2.1.6.1) Emilia, princess of Windisch-Grätz (2003)
2.1.6.2) Otto Maximilian Nikolaus Maria, prince of Windisch-Grätz (2005)
2.1.6.3) Maria Katharina, princess of Windisch-Grätz (2009)
2.1.7) Sophie Eléonore, princess of Windisch-Grätz (1972) married Hubertus von Löbbecke (1966)
 
2.2) Stéphanie Maria Magdalena (born 1933) married Josef Christoforetti (1919)
2.2.1) Angeline Maria Christoforetti (1956) married Heinz Winkler (1955)
2.2.2) Alexander Wilhelm Christoforetti (1958)
2.2.3) Claudia Maria Christoforetti (1960) married Philippe Pezet (1960)
2.2.3.1) Marie Elisabeth Ellen Pezet (1992)
2.2.3.2) Julien Gabriel Pezet (1993)
2.2.4) Nikolaus Josef Christoforetti (1962) married Klaudia Ecker (1964)
2.2.4.1) Timon Cosmo Dieter Christoforetti (1998)


His children from 2nd marriage:
2.3) Eléonore Aloysia Elisabeth Maria (born 1947) married Friedrich Johann, count of Hardegg (1944)
2.3.1) Friedrich Leopold, count of Hardegg (1968) married Christina von Oertzen (1973)
2.3.2) Camilla, countess of Hardegg (1973) married Johann Michael, count of Herberstein (1965)
2.3.2.1) Johann Wenzel, count of Herberstein (2004)
2.3.3) Franz, count of Hardegg (1978)
2.3.4) Luise, countess of Hardegg (1980)
2.4) Elisabeth Maria Eva Margarita (born 1951) married Christian Anton, count of Attems-Gilleis (1954)
2.4.1) Maximilian, count of Attems (1983)
2.4.2) Alexander, count of Attems (1984)
2.4.3) Matteo, count of Attems (1987)
2.4.4) Georgine, countess of Attems (1990)

3) Rudolf Johann Maria Otto Joseph Anton Andreas (1907-1930)

> didn't have children

4) Stephanie Eleonore Maria Elisabeth Kamilla Philomena Veronika (1909-2005) married 1. Pierre d' Alcantara, count of Querrieu (1907-1944), married 2. Carl Axel Björklund (1906 - 1986)
 
Her children:
4.1) Alvar Etienne d'Alcantara di Querrieu (born 1935) married 1. Anita-Kristina Damsten (1936 -1980), married 2. Daniele Van Ham (1942)
4.1.1) Patricia, countess of Alcantara de Querrieu (1957) married Serge de Backer (1954)
4.1.1.1) Samuel de Backer (1980)
4.1.1.2) Mathieu de Backer (1981)
4.1.1.3) Vincent de Backer (1986)  
4.1.2) Frederic Pierre, count of Alcantara de Querrieu (1958) married Marie-Agnes Toby (1959)
4.1.2.1) Alexis, count d' Alcantara de Querrieu (1985)
4.1.2.2) Nicolas, count d' Alcantara de Querrieu (1987)
4.1.2.4) Philippine, countess of Alcantara de Querrieu (1990)
4.1.2.3) Gauthier, count d' Alcantara de Querrieu (1994)
4.1.3) Veronique, countess of de Querrieu (1960) married François Lebrun (1958)  
4.2) Björn-Axel Björklund (1944 - 1995) married 1. Marianne Vellut (1943), married 2. Caroline Stiels (?)
4.2.1)  Amélie Björklund (1968) married Jean-Marc Cuvelier (?)
4.2.1.1) Merlin Cuvelier (1995)
4.2.1.2) Lea Cuvelier (1998)
4.2.2) Guillaume Björklund (1969) married Sibylle Michiels (1972)
4.2.2.1) Wilson Björklund (1998)
4.2.2.2) Inès Axelle Pascale Caroline Björklund (2000)
4.2.3) Pauline Björklund (1975)
4.2.4) Charlotte Björklund (1985)
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« Reply #41 on: January 08, 2019, 11:54:19 PM »

Archduchess Elisabeth in 1913   
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« Reply #42 on: September 10, 2019, 03:16:42 AM »

In an interview in the Philadelphia Inquirer, Archduchess Elisabeth declared: I am afraid that monarchy may be restored in Germany as well as in Austria.
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« Reply #43 on: December 11, 2020, 01:31:11 AM »

Elisabeth as an infant   
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« Reply #44 on: March 24, 2021, 09:34:17 PM »

Her grandmother Empress Elisabeth of Austria bequeathed her considerable jewels to Elisabeth Marie when the Empress met her untimely demise in 1898.
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