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« Reply #60 on: May 24, 2013, 09:05:30 AM »

Which Queen Eizabeth. 1 or 2.

I don't think she had much choice in the rituals that she is a stickler for. She came to the throne so young and it was probably a safety net in some way.
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« Reply #61 on: May 24, 2013, 05:56:02 PM »

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« Reply #62 on: July 05, 2013, 01:08:18 PM »

What would happen if a Royal Family found out (thru DNA) that the Heir was not the rightful heir (hanky panky on the part of the wife)

Now that would be a loaded bullet. I have wondered that as well
Depends really. They recently found out that King Olaf of Norway was the result of Mama Maud's gynaecological consultations with her OB/GYN. OOps, yet long time ago and the Norwegians seem happy enough with their not very royal house.
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« Reply #63 on: July 06, 2013, 04:41:56 AM »

Regarding Christian, a lot of the behaviors that had me wondering appears to have subsided.... in any event, I'm way more worried about Fred at this point.

There are some disabilities that I believe lend themselves to producing the perfect monarch.  Having read several bios on the childhood of Queen Elizabeth, I am convinced she had OCD.  But all of that attention to rituals and such is what we so admire in her. 
I'm very pleased to see that some of these behaviors have lessened and/or extinct now. IMVHO he's likely been receiving some quality behavior intervention and good therapy. I wouldn't be surprised if at least one of the nannies has been trained as well.  Thumb up
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« Reply #64 on: July 09, 2013, 03:13:39 AM »

What would happen if a Royal Family found out (thru DNA) that the Heir was not the rightful heir (hanky panky on the part of the wife)

Now that would be a loaded bullet. I have wondered that as well
Depends really. They recently found out that King Olaf of Norway was the result of Mama Maud's gynaecological consultations with her OB/GYN. OOps, yet long time ago and the Norwegians seem happy enough with their not very royal house.

Do you have a link?

Obviously, short of a DNA test, the public can never be sure.
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« Reply #65 on: July 09, 2013, 04:31:15 PM »

Got me there Thinking... Didn't they somehow acknowledge it? Brushed it off?
Anybody from Norway can help me out?
Sorry I am a tad addle-brained these days...
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« Reply #66 on: July 10, 2013, 05:56:31 AM »

Got me there Thinking... Didn't they somehow acknowledge it? Brushed it off?
Anybody from Norway can help me out?
Sorry I am a tad addle-brained these days...

I remember some foo-foo semi-scandal topic... was it a book? ...a few years ago. I think it was an allegation in a book, but nothing ever proven, I don't think.
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« Reply #67 on: July 10, 2013, 11:04:19 AM »

There definitely was a bit of a scandal. Now I believe I heard some more substantiated rumours, but I am certainly not sure. A quick search on google didn't yield any information other than the rumours that he was either illegitimate or a test tube babe. In any case I would wash his mom off of any accusation of adultery. She simply had to produce a child, even if it was out of thin air. Everything else was a disaster. Dreadful times when the woman was officially blamed for the childlessness of a couple.
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« Reply #68 on: July 10, 2013, 11:21:19 PM »

There definitely was a bit of a scandal. Now I believe I heard some more substantiated rumours, but I am certainly not sure. A quick search on google didn't yield any information other than the rumours that he was either illegitimate or a test tube babe. In any case I would wash his mom off of any accusation of adultery. She simply had to produce a child, even if it was out of thin air. Everything else was a disaster. Dreadful times when the woman was officially blamed for the childlessness of a couple.

Yes, the pressure had to have been maddening when there was no baby. That's all women were for back then, perhaps companionship, and definitely housekeeping, sex, and babies, and the latter even more so the higher up on the social-political ladder one was. Can you imagine the pressure her Aunt Louise (Argyll) was under with Victoria?

Otherwise, there was no outright pressure as there would be for the direct heirs at the time. She was the younger daughter of the British monarch with an older brother and a sister, both with children, he the younger son of the Danish "mob," and neither of them had prospects on inheriting unless there was some sort of massive disaster. If they didn't have kids at that point in time, I don't think anyone would have batted an eyelash other than to say 'the poor darlings.' The Norwegian throne wasn't even a speck on the horizon at the time.

But the pressure's still there for the royal families even today. Just look at the tabs after these folks are married... but now I'm really veering off topic. Whoops.
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« Reply #69 on: July 10, 2013, 11:28:14 PM »

there was a book that alleged that the queen was nowhere near the king at the time conception occurred and that it was likely that her OB-GYN or his son contributed the swimmers.  No way to prove it, really, given that the subsequent holders of the throne have got some of that usual mix of Queen Victorian and King Christin's DNA.  I think the palace may have denied it.

Regardless, I think Norway's got a great king and the people do seem to love him.
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« Reply #70 on: July 11, 2013, 12:14:01 AM »

They could prove it if they find DNA of the good doctor in the Norwegian royal family. But I doubt anyone's ever going to risk opening that particular can of worms. No royal family ever will, it's far too risky. Pretty much all European dynasties have strong rumours about the occasional "help" with conceiving a heir in the past floating around.

And when you think about it, throwing a few doctors, stable boys, guards or chamberlains into the mix probably prevented even worse hereditary diseases than they're already carrying.
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« Reply #71 on: July 11, 2013, 10:42:56 PM »

I had to look it up again, and you are correct Lady Alice, not even negotiations about a possible candidacy for the norwegian throne had been in preparation when the baby was conceived or the problems conceiving at all had become so apparent that Maud consulted a doctor.
However there must have been a lot of pressure (perhaps there had been some inklings of that remote possibility and the necessity of an heir) since few women went to such consultations, most somewhat labored on with midwives remedies and old folks tales. Maud wasn't the overly maternal type that would have longed for a baby herself, and as you said the family really did not have the obvious social pressure to have an heir at that time.
In any way, the fact that in addition to the perfect royal pedigree and connections they had a male heir, was likely a deciding factor.
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« Reply #72 on: July 12, 2013, 01:28:06 PM »

They could prove it if they find DNA of the good doctor in the Norwegian royal family. But I doubt anyone's ever going to risk opening that particular can of worms. No royal family ever will, it's far too risky. Pretty much all European dynasties have strong rumours about the occasional "help" with conceiving a heir in the past floating around.

And when you think about it, throwing a few doctors, stable boys, guards or chamberlains into the mix probably prevented even worse hereditary diseases than they're already carrying.

In the Netherlands the rumour that Wilhelmina was not a child of king Willem III is persistant.
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« Reply #73 on: July 12, 2013, 05:28:45 PM »

Emma was fiercely set on that throne and an heir to her new kingdom, so better not get in her way. Her new hubby was pretty old and well not particularly attractive for a virgin bride... but Emma also was brought up extraordinarily sheltered, I bet she didn't even know what caused pregnancies and then she was very isolated in the NL. I can't see her finding a conspiracy mate that never ever appeared close to her again.
Interesting case all put together... Thinking

(Ever heard of the idiotic rumours of Richard Leakey being Wimlex bio Dad? Yeah right either him or perhaps the pillsbury Dough boy?)
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« Reply #74 on: July 12, 2013, 05:29:39 PM »

Emma was fiercely set on that throne and an heir to her new kingdom, so better not get in her way. Her new hubby was pretty old and well not particularly attractive for a virgin bride... but Emma also was brought up extraordinarily sheltered, I bet she didn't even know what caused pregnancies and then she was very isolated in the NL. I can't see her finding a conspiracy mate that never ever appeared close to her again.
Interesting case all put together... Thinking

(Ever heard of the idiotic rumours of Richard Leakey being Wimlex bio Dad? Yeah right either him or perhaps the pillsbury Dough boy?)

 Blink Never heard about those last (idiotic) rumours.........
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