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« on: July 17, 2013, 10:53:39 AM »

When the Public Accounts Committee were scrutinising the Duchy of Cornwall, it came up that QEII is also Duke of Normandy.

Does anyone know more about this? It seems pretty odd, not to mention offensive to French people, that Elizabeth claims to reign what is now their territory  Huh?

This is from wikipedia

"On 31 December 1660, a few months after the restoration of Charles II to the thrones of England and Scotland, King Louis XIV proclaimed Charles' younger brother James, Duke of York, "Duke of Normandy". This was probably done as a political gesture of support for James."

Is that creation the same one Elizabeth has now? If it was created for the Duke of York, why is it now held by the sovereign  Confused
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« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2013, 11:18:51 AM »

As a French woman, I don't recognize at all any title a foreign royal could have from a region of France.  Nono There is no such "ducky of Normandy" for the QE2.
It's the first time I hear this news but I hope it's not a real title. It's probably an ancient title that has no reason to be.
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« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2013, 11:21:10 AM »

It is her official title in the Channel Islands. The title goes back to William the Conqueror who was Duke there and unlike the mainland of Europe these islands have remained in English/British hands ever since and they still call the English/British monarch The Duke of Normandy. Nothing to do with France.   http://www.royal.gov.uk/M...ncies/ChannelIslands.aspx  'In the Channel Islands The Queen is known as The Duke of Normandy. At official functions, islanders raise the loyal toast to 'The Duke of Normandy, our Queen'.

Further down the passage In 1106,William's youngest son Henry I seized the Duchy of Normandy from his brother Robert; since that time, the English Sovereign has always held the title Duke of Normandy.

By 1205, England had lost most of its French lands, including Normandy. However, the Channel Islands, part of the lost Duchy, remained a self-governing possession of the English Crown.

While the islands today retain autonomy in government, they owe allegiance to The Queen in her role as Duke of Normandy.


This is not something new but something that shows that the people undertaking this enquiry haven't done some very, very basic research.
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« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2013, 11:26:28 AM »

It is her official title in the Channel Islands. The title goes back to William the Conqueror who was Duke there and unlike the mainland of Europe these islands have remained in English/British hands ever since and they still call the English/British monarch The Duke of Normandy. Nothing to do with France.

Ah, that's good.  Smiley As I've said this is not know in France, if not I'm sure some French media would tease about it. 
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« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2013, 11:52:18 AM »

It came up in passing when it was mentioned QEII is Duke of Lancaster, and a committee member said she is also Duke of Normandy. That's all.
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« Reply #5 on: August 31, 2023, 01:20:08 AM »

Did Emma of Normandy's marriage cause the Norman invasion of England?     
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBdmpRCUq0c
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