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« Reply #45 on: March 29, 2014, 08:17:59 AM »

Thanks Winx.   Star Love the insight.  BTW, what are the "pampas?"

The grassy plains of Argentina  Smiley

IA to a point with winx, though I would use more articulate words.

Generally speaking I'd say that the Dutch taxpayer doesn't give a rat's ass about the spending of the DRF. They care about less taxes and more services (or complain if things go the other way around, in times of crisis). They complain about the level of benefits (possibly the highest in the world btw), about The Others (whatever that means), about dog poo in the streets while not curbing their own pooches, about wasting money on Joint Strike Fighters or the Betuwelijn (a railconnection) or the Fyra trains that cost zillions but don't run and a long list of other stupid money wasting decisions that our succession of governments (left right and center) made.  And about Sven Kramer. Not about a few millions more or less spent on Drakestein, protection, ill-fitting dresses or trips to God knows where.

As long as they don't rock the boat too much (or things are kept under wraps), it's fine. Apart from all those scandals caused by Prince Bernhard (he who aimed for the highest job for a man in the country but forgot you have to win the vagina lottery for that first, and who resented this for his whole long life) and Irene cuddling trees/ 2 princesses marrying catholics, the other illegal dabblings of the family fade to ordinary mischief. Yes, also their shady financial & business dealings, especially compared to the kind (and size!) of financial scandals (caused by ordinary citizens, companies and financial institutions) the world has seen in recent times. OK maybe I'm a little cynical here.
 
Most (if not all) political parties in our Parliament & Senate (Tweede and Eerste Kamer) are essentially in bed with the DRF.
At the inauguration only 16 out of a total of 225 representatives did not swear allegiance to the King (who swears allegaince to the Constitution first. The numbers are: 4 Groen Links (lefties); 3 Partij voor de Dieren (Animal rights party); 2 Socialist Party. It is unknown who the other 7 were, possibly representatives from the typical anti-monarchist PVV party (of bleach blonde xenophobe and self confessed Bee-hater Geert Wilders). Since the PVV on 4/30/2013 had 12 reps in Parliament and 10 in the Senate, less than a third of them actually showed their anti-monarchist sentiments on the perfect occasion to do so. And it must be said the PVV is not known for good manners! Also, their voters tend to be rather pro-Bee and pro-Max.

The Nieuw Republikeins Genootschap (Republican Movement) is only very small, with abt 2,000 members, and it still has an air to it of old boys who wish The Bee had been interested in them in the '60s, or younger men that secretly resent not winning said lottery and think Wax is a dithering idiot just because they had better grades at uni.

The DRF has very little overt political power anymore - even to the extent that the monarch has nothing to do with the formation of a cabinet of ministers etc.,
So a president, in our current constitutional situation, would only be a representative job. I doubt ppl in The Netherlands would want to vote for a constitution that gives so much power in the hands of a HoS (and not a government/cabinet of ministers formed by (usually) the party  that wins most seats in Parliament in the General Elections, that is subsequently checked by the Parliament) like in e.g. the US of A. And only for a short time (e.g. 4 years)- too much room for short term policy, personal interests etc.

I think the part of the population that does give republicanism a thought, fears the prospect of the opportunists, charlatans and idiots that actually might run for the office of president in our country (think Wilders, Pim Fortuyn (bless his soul), Camiel Eurlings, to name a few), and rather opt for the hereditary job of representation with the money guzzling perks, than to rock the boat too much and destabilize our content, if somewhat haughty and superior and complaining, little kingdom under the sea.

Just my 2 cents!
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« Reply #46 on: March 29, 2014, 09:51:37 AM »

Thanks Winx.   Star Love the insight.  BTW, what are the "pampas?"

The grassy plains of Argentina  Smiley

IA to a point with winx, though I would use more articulate words.

Generally speaking I'd say that the Dutch taxpayer doesn't give a rat's ass about the spending of the DRF. They care about less taxes and more services (or complain if things go the other way around, in times of crisis). They complain about the level of benefits (possibly the highest in the world btw), about The Others (whatever that means), about dog poo in the streets while not curbing their own pooches, about wasting money on Joint Strike Fighters or the Betuwelijn (a railconnection) or the Fyra trains that cost zillions but don't run and a long list of other stupid money wasting decisions that our succession of governments (left right and center) made.  And about Sven Kramer. Not about a few millions more or less spent on Drakestein, protection, ill-fitting dresses or trips to God knows where.

As long as they don't rock the boat too much (or things are kept under wraps), it's fine. Apart from all those scandals caused by Prince Bernhard (he who aimed for the highest job for a man in the country but forgot you have to win the vagina lottery for that first, and who resented this for his whole long life) and Irene cuddling trees/ 2 princesses marrying catholics, the other illegal dabblings of the family fade to ordinary mischief. Yes, also their shady financial & business dealings, especially compared to the kind (and size!) of financial scandals (caused by ordinary citizens, companies and financial institutions) the world has seen in recent times. OK maybe I'm a little cynical here.
 
Most (if not all) political parties in our Parliament & Senate (Tweede and Eerste Kamer) are essentially in bed with the DRF.
At the inauguration only 16 out of a total of 225 representatives did not swear allegiance to the King (who swears allegaince to the Constitution first. The numbers are: 4 Groen Links (lefties); 3 Partij voor de Dieren (Animal rights party); 2 Socialist Party. It is unknown who the other 7 were, possibly representatives from the typical anti-monarchist PVV party (of bleach blonde xenophobe and self confessed Bee-hater Geert Wilders). Since the PVV on 4/30/2013 had 12 reps in Parliament and 10 in the Senate, less than a third of them actually showed their anti-monarchist sentiments on the perfect occasion to do so. And it must be said the PVV is not known for good manners! Also, their voters tend to be rather pro-Bee and pro-Max.

The Nieuw Republikeins Genootschap (Republican Movement) is only very small, with abt 2,000 members, and it still has an air to it of old boys who wish The Bee had been interested in them in the '60s, or younger men that secretly resent not winning said lottery and think Wax is a dithering idiot just because they had better grades at uni.

The DRF has very little overt political power anymore - even to the extent that the monarch has nothing to do with the formation of a cabinet of ministers etc.,
So a president, in our current constitutional situation, would only be a representative job. I doubt ppl in The Netherlands would want to vote for a constitution that gives so much power in the hands of a HoS (and not a government/cabinet of ministers formed by (usually) the party  that wins most seats in Parliament in the General Elections, that is subsequently checked by the Parliament) like in e.g. the US of A. And only for a short time (e.g. 4 years)- too much room for short term policy, personal interests etc.

I think the part of the population that does give republicanism a thought, fears the prospect of the opportunists, charlatans and idiots that actually might run for the office of president in our country (think Wilders, Pim Fortuyn (bless his soul), Camiel Eurlings, to name a few), and rather opt for the hereditary job of representation with the money guzzling perks, than to rock the boat too much and destabilize our content, if somewhat haughty and superior and complaining, little kingdom under the sea.

Just my 2 cents!



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« Reply #47 on: March 29, 2014, 12:14:05 PM »

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« Reply #48 on: March 29, 2014, 04:22:40 PM »

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« Reply #49 on: March 29, 2014, 04:52:33 PM »

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You need to learn to choose your battles or in this case your languages. You do not bust your way to mom and dad like a druck driver demanding their attention, right?
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