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I know they were cousins. Not exactly sure how they were related.  I know Queen Mary was Catholic, was French Queen for some time, married several times (?) and was executed  About Queen Elizabeth , I know she was the daughter of Henry VIII and Anne Boleyn. The Elizabethan age is the age of Shakespeare  and she was the "Virgin Queen"  . Oh, and she was Protestant. Her religion was very important then. I am rather curious about these two queens. Their relationship to each other, the current royal family and just their lives. Any books, documentaries recommended ? TIA ! |
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Mary's grandmother Margaret Tudor was Elizabeth's aunt.
THE biography to read about Mary is by Lady Antonia Fraser. Yes, it's huge (number of pages) but it's a fantastic book, one of the best biographies out there.
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Elizabeth and Mary: Cousins, Rivals, Queens by Jane Dunn is an interesting book on the subject. It deals more with the emotional side and the fraught relationships of two people who actually never met each other.
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I know they were cousins. Not exactly sure how they were related. I know Queen Mary was Catholic, was French Queen for some time, married several times (?) and was executed About Queen Elizabeth , I know she was the daughter of Henry VIII and Anne Boleyn. The Elizabethan age is the age of Shakespeare and she was the "Virgin Queen" . Oh, and she was Protestant. Her religion was very important then. I am rather curious about these two queens. Their relationship to each other, the current royal family and just their lives. Any books, documentaries recommended ? TIA ! The current Queen and most of the royal families of Europe are descendants of Mary, Queen of Scots through he only son - James I and VI. The Queen - James - Elizabeth - Sophia of Hannover - George I - George II - Frederick, Prince of Wales - George III - Edward, Duke of Kent - Victoria - Edward VII - George V - George VI - Elizabeth II. Diana, Camilla and Sarah are also descendants of Mary through their various descents from Mary's great-grandson Charles II. |
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The Antonia Fraser book on Mary is considered one of the best, and easy to read. I've loved the story of Mary since I was little, we spent many holidays in Scotland and I think visited most of the places associated with her.
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They're both fascinating women.
The big problem with Mary was that she considered herself the real Queen of England because, as a Catholic, she didn't see the marriage of Elizabeth's parents, Henry VIII and Anne Boleyn, as legally valid, making Elizabeth a ''bastard''. As soon as Elizabeth's Catholic half-sister and predecessor, Mary I, died MQoS started referring to herself as the Queen of England, even though Elizabeth had been proclaimed Queen and had been accepted as her sister's heir.
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We watched a marathon of Reign (about Mary and her time in the French court) on Netflix, putting aside the actress doesn't have red hair, the modern take on the clothing and totally inaccurate historical facts, I quite enjoy it. But the lack of red hair really bugs me!  The both are fascinating women, if fate hadn't been so cruel they might have been great friends and allies. Lawd knows they both had keen intelligence, sharp wits, both used as political pawns and had deep human feelings in common. Elizabeth and Mary: Cousins, Rivals, Queens by Jane Dunn is an interesting book on the subject. It deals more with the emotional side and the fraught relationships of two people who actually never met each other.
thanks Taffy I'm going to look for that. I've read the Fraser book, it is excellent (I like all her books) |
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For me Mary, whose actions were based more on feelings, is like " Princess Diana" of her time.
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IMO, Mary QofS was incredibly naive. She was a member of the Guise family, who practically ran France and grew up in the court of Henry II, whose wife Catherine de Medici, was a master of political manipulation. If she had spent her time in France learning to govern Scotland instead of setting her eyes to England, she may have kept her head.
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Thank you, Thank you, Thank you to everyone that responded. I love the depth of history on this board and thank you once again for responding to my questions. I learn a lot of history here.
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The current Queen and most of the royal families of Europe are descendants of Mary, Queen of Scots through he only son - James I and VI.
The Queen - James - Elizabeth - Sophia of Hannover - George I - George II - Frederick, Prince of Wales - George III - Edward, Duke of Kent - Victoria - Edward VII - George V - George VI - Elizabeth II.
Diana, Camilla and Sarah are also descendants of Mary through their various descents from Mary's great-grandson Charles II.
Say What ??  . The things you learn on this board...  |
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Finding used, good copies of hard copy versions of books dealing with British History is not easy in America . But thank goodness for the Kindle and modern technology. I have the books recommended, downloaded and ready to read.  Thank you again everyone ! |
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Diana, Camilla and Sarah are also descendants of Mary through their various descents from Mary's great-grandson Charles II.
Say What ?? . The things you learn on this board... [/quote] All three are descended from Charles Lennox, 1st Duke of Richmond. Sarah is also descended from James Scott, 1st Duke of Monmouth. Diana is also descended from Henry Fitzroy, 1st Duke of Grafton. This isn't all that surprising as most of the English aristocracy are descended from one or more of the many illegitimate children of Charles II. |
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Diana, Camilla and Sarah are also descendants of Mary through their various descents from Mary's great-grandson Charles II.
Say What ?? . The things you learn on this board... All three are descended from Charles Lennox, 1st Duke of Richmond. Sarah is also descended from James Scott, 1st Duke of Monmouth. Diana is also descended from Henry Fitzroy, 1st Duke of Grafton. This isn't all that surprising as most of the English aristocracy are descended from one or more of the many illegitimate children of Charles II. [/quote] Thanks luvCharles for the info. Shall put Charles II on the list of BRF monarchs to pay attention to..  I have only really scratched the surface of the BRF history with learning more about Queen Victoria, but what jumped out at me is how she was the only legitimate heir while there were other royal children before out of wedlock to her uncles. I wondered what happened to them but set it aside for later. So my questions if you can answer please: Were children born out of wedlock to the royals married to the aristocracy ? I am rather shocked they are recognized and there is no dispute that they had a royal parent. How did they accept that in the days before DNA ? TIA ! |
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