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« Reply #1155 on: May 06, 2015, 06:55:57 PM »

My granny had 7 daughters, all have Maria in their name. Is indeed very traditional here in Southern Europe, especially in my granny/mother's generation, to give Maria as one of the names (we usually have two names) Cute
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« Reply #1156 on: May 06, 2015, 06:58:23 PM »

My granny had 7 daughters, all have Maria in their name. Is indeed very traditional here in Southern Europe, especially in my granny/mother's generation, to give Maria as one of the names (we usually have two names) Cute


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« Reply #1157 on: May 06, 2015, 07:01:40 PM »

My granny had 7 daughters, all have Maria in their name. Is indeed very traditional here in Southern Europe, especially in my granny/mother's generation, to give Maria as one of the names (we usually have two names) Cute


We use Maria a lot as well, my middle name is Maria also  Hug
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« Reply #1158 on: May 06, 2015, 11:49:42 PM »

A lot of people would think they were honoring Mummy Boleyn 2.0, not Charles, if they went with Caroline. I personally (and I know others as well) have never heard of Carol/Caroline being a feminized version of Charles. Better to go with Charlotte than create confusion and upset.

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Well, Caroline is indeed a feminine version derived of Charles, or Carl, as is Charlotte, Carole, Carla etc. I have certainly always thought of it as such.

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« Reply #1159 on: May 07, 2015, 12:05:47 AM »

It is the same name in different languages.


http://www.behindthename.com/name/charlotte


They all derive from Charles, which derives from germanic Karl.


http://www.behindthename....dthename.com/name/charles


So the baby was also named after Carole  Spiteful

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« Reply #1160 on: May 07, 2015, 12:08:43 AM »

A lot of people would think they were honoring Mummy Boleyn 2.0, not Charles, if they went with Caroline. I personally (and I know others as well) have never heard of Carol/Caroline being a feminized version of Charles. Better to go with Charlotte than create confusion and upset.

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Well, Caroline is indeed a feminine version derived of Charles, or Carl, as is Charlotte, Carole, Carla etc. I have certainly always thought of it as such.



Yes, you are right. Think of the very famous king Charlemagne (basically an ancestor to everyone who has ancestors in Central Europe) aka Charles the Great, Carolus or Karolus Magnus, Charles Le Grand or Charlemagne, Karl der Große or Carlo Magno or Carlomagno. The name 'karl' and all its variants mean the same thing; 'man' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles). In a way the female forms are a bit funny considering the original meaning but then again, there are a lot of similar names (like Andrew and all its variants, derived from Greek Andreas, ancient Greek aner/andros, "man", thus meaning "manly" and, as consequence, "strong", "courageous", and "warrior").

Here's the feminine variants: http://en.wikipedia.org/w...es#Derived_feminine_names

She could as easily be named after grandpa Chuck as grandma Carole.
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« Reply #1161 on: May 07, 2015, 12:36:53 AM »

My point was: not everyone knows or associates Charles with Carol/Caroline; even now, they hear Charlotte and think Charles. Not Carol. Or even Carl. It might have a long-ass history but not everyone is aware of the connection; I'm not alone in being unaware of it until a few days ago when we discussed it. So even if they are paying tribute to Mummy Dearest, they were safer in calling her Charlotte than Caroline. And maybe that was probably the reason for it - Ma and her clan don't exactly have a large fan base.

That is all.
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« Reply #1162 on: May 07, 2015, 12:44:30 AM »

My point was: not everyone knows or associates Charles with Carol/Caroline; even now, they hear Charlotte and think Charles. Not Carol. Or even Carl. It might have a long-ass history but not everyone is aware of the connection; I'm not alone in being unaware of it until a few days ago when we discussed it. So even if they are paying tribute to Mummy Dearest, they were safer in calling her Charlotte than Caroline. And maybe that was probably the reason for it - Ma and her clan don't exactly have a large fan base.

That is all.

Why so angry...?  Huh? Yes, not all know. It's not a crime not to know. I just figured it might be interesting to point out that it is in fact the same name. I didn't mean to rub it into people's faces. And probably it was intentional that people would not associate Charlotte to Carole but Charles. There's no need IMO to feel insulted by the conversation, or have I missed something?
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« Reply #1163 on: May 07, 2015, 12:47:44 AM »

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« Reply #1164 on: May 07, 2015, 12:54:46 AM »

Ah, I see!  Yes Glad that's cleared now! I get so excited sometimes about explaining stuff I find interesting that I might sound impolite.
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« Reply #1165 on: May 07, 2015, 12:59:23 AM »

I sometimes do the same. It's cool, my friend! Hug
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« Reply #1166 on: May 07, 2015, 01:41:41 AM »

I get so excited sometimes about explaining stuff I find interesting that I might sound impolite.
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« Reply #1167 on: May 07, 2015, 11:49:45 PM »

I think they named Charlotte after Charles, but gave her the middle Elizabeth after Carole, not HM. Both Carole and Kate have Elizabeth as a middle name--so its the first girl in the family that gets that middle name.

Carole's grandmother's name is also Elizabeth.
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« Reply #1168 on: May 08, 2015, 12:11:47 AM »

Well it took me ages to realize that Adelaide (or Adelaide) is the same name as Adelheid...
And 6 years in grammar school to come to terms with the fact that 'our' Ovidius and Homeros are known to the rest of the world as Ovid and Homer  Blink

It's confusing sometimes, the how names can be the samesame but different. In Dutch, we have Karel (kerel actually means 'dude' or 'strong man') and Karoline/Caroline so the link is very Obvious. Purists do call Chuck Karel (and Charles I and II also get that treatment), and our beloved Spanish Habsburger Carlos II is a Karel in Dutch too - as is Karel de Grote (Charlemagne). Prince Claus' names were dutchified when he got his Dutch passport in 1965/66, fortunately Claus didn't become Klaas - because a 'houten (wooden) Klaas' is someone who moves awkwardly and stiffly...

Aaanyway, glad they went for the Obvious old fashioned names with CED and not the popular ones - we would have had to cope with yet another princess Sophia!
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