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« Reply #15 on: October 25, 2016, 03:55:10 PM »

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HUH? How will their names be changed???

Some of these "confessions" are beyond daft, as some very misinformed people like to submit stuff, of which many are the biggest sugars or have no clue like this person... By this logic Vic is going to be from the house of Westling.... The dynastic house won't change, that would only maybe happen if another high ranking royal or noble were to marry in, but in this day and age I don't think that would happen either anymore, repbulicanism is more likely to happen than a change of dynastic house/ surname...

Saying that the house of Orange-Nassau will change it's name when they had three queens in a row before Wax it's beyong clueless   Huh?

The British dynasty changed from Hanover to Saxe-Coburg-Gotha when Victoria married Albert..... i thunk it happened more when they all married royalty, but yes, the house of Westling soinds weird!!
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« Reply #16 on: October 25, 2016, 05:19:29 PM »

The current generation of grandkids and great-grandkids are the first to use surnames for the BRF.  And let's not forget that Windsor and Mountbatten were both made-up names. They're still the British Royal Family.
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« Reply #17 on: October 25, 2016, 05:32:59 PM »

^ But it didn't change again when QEII married Philip (and he is a prince on his own right, even if he renounced his titles). The PoW is a Windsor. So even if the 'confession' takes the BRF as an example, it is wrong anyway.
I can't speak of Leonor, as Spain has no recent example of a queen regnant or female heir with kids (the last one married a member of her own house more than 140 years ago). But in Sweden Estelle is a member of the House of Bernadotte even if her father is not one. Maybe it can be excused as Vikkan is not yet queen, but the house of Orange-Nassau had more queens than kings in the past 100 years, so to include CA in this list.... is clueless
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« Reply #18 on: October 25, 2016, 06:28:16 PM »

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His full name is Olof Daniel Westling Bernadotte as registered with the Swedish Tax Authority's national census...

he took the name upon his marriage with Victoria so Estelle still been consider house of Bernadotte (event if he didnt Victoria practically would have been the last Bernadotte and Estelle the first Westling Bernadotte)
I dont think the Netherlands have problem in that issue as for Belgium and Spain it's rather early to tell both girls are young!

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The name was changed from Saxe-Coburg and Gotha to the English Windsor in 1917 because of anti-German sentiment in the British Empire during World War I...Soon after Elizabeth became Queen in 1952, Lord Mountbatten observed that because it was the standard practice for the wife in a marriage to adopt her husband's surname, the royal house had become the House of Mountbatten. When Elizabeth's grandmother, Queen Mary, heard of this comment, she informed British Prime Minister Winston Churchill and he later advised the Queen to issue a royal proclamation declaring that the royal house was to remain known as the House of Windsor. This she did on 9 April 1952, officially declaring it her "Will and Pleasure that I and My children shall be styled and known as the House and Family of Windsor, and that my descendants who marry and their descendants, shall bear the name of Windsor.'' Philip privately complained, "I am nothing but a bloody amoeba. I am the only man in the country not allowed to give his name to his own children."

On 8 February 1960, after the death of Queen Mary and the resignation of Churchill, the Queen confirmed that she and her children would continue to be known as the House and Family of Windsor, as would any agnatic descendants who enjoy the style of Royal Highness and the title of Prince or Princess. Still, Elizabeth also decreed that her agnatic descendants who do not have that style and title would bear the surname Mountbatten-Windsor.

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« Reply #19 on: October 25, 2016, 06:49:17 PM »



The British dynasty changed from Hanover to Saxe-Coburg-Gotha when Victoria married Albert..... i thunk it happened more when they all married royalty, but yes, the house of Westling soinds weird!!
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^ But it didn't change again when QEII married Philip (and he is a prince on his own right, even if he renounced his titles). The PoW is a Windsor. So even if the 'confession' takes the BRF as an example, it is wrong anyway.
I can't speak of Leonor, as Spain has no recent example of a queen regnant or female heir with kids (the last one married a member of her own house more than 140 years ago). But in Sweden Estelle is a member of the House of Bernadotte even if her father is not one. Maybe it can be excused as Vikkan is not yet queen, but the house of Orange-Nassau had more queens than kings in the past 100 years, so to include CA in this list.... is clueless

If the UK dynasty were to change as a result of QueenEII marriage to Prince Philip, it doesn't  change with QueenEII, it would change with PoW Charles to Mountbatten (or Battenberg or Glucksburg).  Remember when Princess Anne signed her name as Mountbatten Windsor at her first wedding.
Queen Victoria was House of Hanover and that didn't change, but through her marriage to Prince of AlbertSaxe-Coburg-Gotha, her children were Saxe-Coburg-Gotha, and so the House changed when her son became King Edward VII of House of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha.

If the Sweden's house was to change to Westling, it would not change with Crown Princess Victoria, it would change with Princess Estelle.

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« Reply #20 on: October 25, 2016, 08:15:44 PM »

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His full name is Olof Daniel Westling Bernadotte as registered with the Swedish Tax Authority's national census...

he took the name upon his marriage with Victoria so Estelle still been consider house of Bernadotte (event if he didnt Victoria practically would have been the last Bernadotte and Estelle the first Westling Bernadotte)
I dont think the Netherlands have problem in that issue as for Belgium and Spain it's rather early to tell both girls are young!

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The name was changed from Saxe-Coburg and Gotha to the English Windsor in 1917 because of anti-German sentiment in the British Empire during World War I...Soon after Elizabeth became Queen in 1952, Lord Mountbatten observed that because it was the standard practice for the wife in a marriage to adopt her husband's surname, the royal house had become the House of Mountbatten. When Elizabeth's grandmother, Queen Mary, heard of this comment, she informed British Prime Minister Winston Churchill and he later advised the Queen to issue a royal proclamation declaring that the royal house was to remain known as the House of Windsor. This she did on 9 April 1952, officially declaring it her "Will and Pleasure that I and My children shall be styled and known as the House and Family of Windsor, and that my descendants who marry and their descendants, shall bear the name of Windsor.'' Philip privately complained, "I am nothing but a bloody amoeba. I am the only man in the country not allowed to give his name to his own children."

On 8 February 1960, after the death of Queen Mary and the resignation of Churchill, the Queen confirmed that she and her children would continue to be known as the House and Family of Windsor, as would any agnatic descendants who enjoy the style of Royal Highness and the title of Prince or Princess. Still, Elizabeth also decreed that her agnatic descendants who do not have that style and title would bear the surname Mountbatten-Windsor.

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Similar thing was done in Monaco as regards Princess Charlotte of Monaco's marriage to Count Pierre de Polignac.  Some decree was done so Princess Charlotte's descendants ie Prince Rainier and his sister Princess Antoinette remained as House of Grimaldi and did not change to House of Polignac.


 
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« Reply #21 on: October 25, 2016, 09:25:21 PM »

LOL, I think Westling is actually a good-sounding name. There are way worse names.
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« Reply #22 on: October 26, 2016, 10:13:57 AM »

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HUH? How will their names be changed???

Some of these "confessions" are beyond daft, as some very misinformed people like to submit stuff, of which many are the biggest sugars or have no clue like this person... By this logic Vic is going to be from the house of Westling.... The dynastic house won't change, that would only maybe happen if another high ranking royal or noble were to marry in, but in this day and age I don't think that would happen either anymore, repbulicanism is more likely to happen than a change of dynastic house/ surname...

Saying that the house of Orange-Nassau will change it's name when they had three queens in a row before Wax it's beyong clueless   Huh?

The British dynasty changed from Hanover to Saxe-Coburg-Gotha when Victoria married Albert..... i thunk it happened more when they all married royalty, but yes, the house of Westling soinds weird!!

Yep it did, but........in case of the Dutch queens, as already pointed out, a marriage didn't result in a name change of the dynasty.

And some of them married royalty.
Queen Wilhelmina married prince Heinrich (Hendrik), Duke of Mecklenburg-Schwerin.
Queen Juliana married Bernhard, a prince of Lippe-Biesterfeld (he was born from a morganatic, and was known as Count of Biesterfeld. In 1916 he was upgraded to prince of Lippe Biesterfeld).
Queen Beatrix married Claus von Amsberg (who got the title Jonkheer von Amsberg)

In general the dynasty is still known as Oranje-Nassau (Orange-Nassau). But the names of the prince consorts pop up in the Dutch royal family lines.

Wilhelmina's regnal title from her accession to her marriage was: "Wilhelmina, by the Grace of God, Queen of the Netherlands, Princess of Orange-Nassau, etc, etc, etc." She adopted her husband's ducal title upon marriage as customary, becoming also a Duchess of Mecklenburg.

Titles of Juliana during her lifetime:
30 April 1909 ? 7 January 1937: Her Royal Highness Princess Juliana of the Netherlands, Princess of Orange-Nassau, Duchess of Mecklenburg
7 January 1937 ? 6 September 1948: Her Royal Highness Princess Juliana of the Netherlands, Princess of Orange-Nassau, Duchess of Mecklenburg, Princess of Lippe-Biesterfeld
6 September 1948 ? 30 April 1980: Her Majesty Queen Juliana of the Netherlands
30 April 1980 ? 20 March 2004: Her Royal Highness Princess Juliana of the Netherlands, Princess of Orange-Nassau, Duchess of Mecklenburg, Princess of Lippe-Biesterfeld

Titles of Beatrix during her lifetime:
31 January 1938 ? 10 March 1966: Her Royal Highness Princess Beatrix of the Netherlands, Princess of Orange-Nassau, Princess of Lippe-Biesterfeld
10 March 1966 - 30 April 1980: Her Royal Highness Princess Beatrix of the Netherlands, Princess of Orange-Nassau, Princess of Lippe-Biesterfeld, Mevrouw van Amsberg
30 April 1980 ? 30 April 2013: Her Majesty The Queen
30 April 2013 ? present : Her Royal Highness Princess Beatrix of the Netherlands, Princess of Orange-Nassau, Princess of Lippe-Biesterfeld, Mevrouw van Amsberg






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« Reply #23 on: October 26, 2016, 10:21:53 AM »

Beatrix's younger sisters were also at first princess of Orange-Nassau which proceeded the title princess of Lippe-Biesterfeld.

Irene's children have specific titles through their father (the late) prince Carlos Hugo, Duke of Bourbon-Parma.

Margriet's 4 sons received the prince (of the Netherlands) titles, but which weren't hereditary. Her grandchildren have different styles of (last) names, among others honoring prince Bernhard.
The children of Margriet's oldest son prince Maurits are entitled: van Lippe-Biesterfeld van Vollenhoven. While all other grandchildren have the last name: van Vollenhoven.
Van Vollenhoven is the family name of Margriet's husband Pieter van Vollenhoven.

Christina's children simply have their fathers last name Guillermo.
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« Reply #24 on: November 07, 2016, 08:46:48 PM »

I'm pretty sure Leonor's children will just reverse their surnames to have Borbon first and their father's name second. The Late Duchess of Alba's son Carlos, who is now Duke of Alba, has Fitzjames-Stuart as his first surname and Martinez de Irujo as his second, but the rest of her children are the other way round. That way the surname stays with the title.
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« Reply #25 on: November 08, 2016, 08:58:24 PM »



Titles of Beatrix during her lifetime:
31 January 1938 ? 10 March 1966: Her Royal Highness Princess Beatrix of the Netherlands, Princess of Orange-Nassau, Princess of Lippe-Biesterfeld
10 March 1966 - 30 April 1980: Her Royal Highness Princess Beatrix of the Netherlands, Princess of Orange-Nassau, Princess of Lippe-Biesterfeld, Mevrouw van Amsberg
30 April 1980 ? 30 April 2013: Her Majesty The Queen
30 April 2013 ? present : Her Royal Highness Princess Beatrix of the Netherlands, Princess of Orange-Nassau, Princess of Lippe-Biesterfeld, Mevrouw van Amsberg

I find it quite interesting that they changed it into the dutch version. Claus' last name was german and therefore von Amsberg.
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Titles of Beatrix during her lifetime:
31 January 1938 ? 10 March 1966: Her Royal Highness Princess Beatrix of the Netherlands, Princess of Orange-Nassau, Princess of Lippe-Biesterfeld
10 March 1966 - 30 April 1980: Her Royal Highness Princess Beatrix of the Netherlands, Princess of Orange-Nassau, Princess of Lippe-Biesterfeld, Mevrouw van Amsberg
30 April 1980 ? 30 April 2013: Her Majesty The Queen
30 April 2013 ? present : Her Royal Highness Princess Beatrix of the Netherlands, Princess of Orange-Nassau, Princess of Lippe-Biesterfeld, Mevrouw van Amsberg

I find it quite interesting that they changed it into the dutch version. Claus' last name was german and therefore von Amsberg.

Yup, it should be "von", but they Dutchified it Wink

Claus was born Klaus-Georg Wilhelm Otto Friedrich Gerd von Amsberg, on his family's estate, Schloss D?tzingen, near Hitzacker, Germany on 6 September 1926.

When the relationship of Claus & Beatrix became known (1965) there was a lot of anti-German replies, sentiment and feelings. Based on WWII, which just ended ca. 20 years before.

On December 10, 1965 Claus received a Dutch passport and on February 16, 1966 is name was officially changed into Claus George Willem Otto Frederik Geert van Amsberg. So the spellings of his names changed to Dutch version. Including his lastname.

My guess this was done based on the previous mentioned anti-German sentiments of the Dutch people (at the time).
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« Reply #27 on: November 09, 2016, 03:46:29 PM »

A bit silly wasn't that? Everybody already knew he was German. Changing a tiny little vocal really didn't change squat.
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« Reply #28 on: November 09, 2016, 05:29:06 PM »

A bit silly wasn't that? Everybody already knew he was German. Changing a tiny little vocal really didn't change squat.

Not only that tiny little vocal, de rest of his names were also Dutchified.......

Nowadays it sounds silly, but apparently then it was a thingy.
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« Reply #29 on: November 09, 2016, 07:36:15 PM »

I think it was kinda normal back then. Foreign spouses had their names changed into the equivalent of their adoptive country. Like Henri de Monpezat becoming Prince Henrik.

Off topic, but I don't get why the name thing still happens today. Like, for instance, calling King Felipe King Philip or Charlotte Casiraghi Carlotta, etc. To me, that practice should be long gone and outdated in this globalised world of ours.
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