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« Reply #60 on: January 22, 2020, 10:11:08 PM »

It is only Prince of Wales in England, Wales and Northern Ireland IF the heir apparent is created as Prince of Wales.

The heir apparent, who is also the eldest son of the monarch, is The Duke of Cornwall automatically but the title Prince of Wales has to be conferred.

Charles, for instance, became both Duke of Cornwall AND Duke of Rothesay the instant his mother became Queen but he didn't become Prince of Wales for another 6+ years.

If there is a female heir apparent (as there now can be since the Succession to the Crown Act) she won't hold either the Cornwall or Rothesay titles as those titles require the holder to be the eldest son of the monarch (of course the parliament can change that but I am simply using the existing rules for those titles).
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« Reply #61 on: January 26, 2020, 11:17:58 PM »

From Wikipedia: Frederick, Hereditary Prince of Denmark (1753-1805) was heir presumptive to the thrones of Denmark and Norway. He was the only son of King Frederick V.   
Please explain the title Hereditary Prince of Denmark.
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« Reply #62 on: January 26, 2020, 11:45:03 PM »

From Wikipedia: Frederick, Hereditary Prince of Denmark (1753-1805) was heir presumptive to the thrones of Denmark and Norway. He was the only son of King Frederick V.    
Please explain the title Hereditary Prince of Denmark.

This title is usually given to those, who are first in line of succession, but are not the son/daughter of the current King and thus will be bypassed by a son/daughter of the current King and/or are the daughter of the current King, but can be bypassed by a younger brother.

Frederick was the son of Frederick V. by his second marriage to Juliana of Brunswick. Thus, when his elder half brother became King, he became the Hereditary Prince. And Wikipedia is wrong, he was not the only son of Frederick V.
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« Reply #63 on: January 27, 2020, 11:33:07 PM »

From Wikipedia: Frederick, Hereditary Prince of Denmark (1753-1805) was heir presumptive to the thrones of Denmark and Norway. He was the only son of King Frederick V.    
Please explain the title Hereditary Prince of Denmark.

This title is usually given to those, who are first in line of succession, but are not the son/daughter of the current King and thus will be bypassed by a son/daughter of the current King and/or are the daughter of the current King, but can be bypassed by a younger brother.

Frederick was the son of Frederick V. by his second marriage to Juliana of Brunswick. Thus, when his elder half brother became King, he became the Hereditary Prince. And Wikipedia is wrong, he was not the only son of Frederick V.
     
 
Kristallinchen, Thank you. Wikipedia may not always be accurate.
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« Reply #64 on: February 25, 2020, 12:37:54 AM »

In Germany a sovereign duke outranked a sovereign prince, but a royal cadet prince outranked a cadet duke of a ducal or grand ducal family.
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« Reply #65 on: April 01, 2020, 06:28:33 PM »

King Louis XIII of France made Prince Honore II of Monaco a duke and peer of the realm, with title to the duchy of Valentinois and its revenues.
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« Reply #66 on: April 07, 2020, 10:36:29 PM »

Napoleon II of France was titled HM King of Rome by his father Emperor Napoleon I as soon as he was born.
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« Reply #67 on: April 29, 2020, 01:48:24 AM »

As soon as Prince Leopold of Saxe-Coburg-Saalfeld was naturalized as a British subject, the Prince Regent offered to raise Leopold to the peerage as Duke of Kendal. Leopold refused the dukedom.
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« Reply #68 on: May 23, 2020, 08:22:42 AM »

When she was no longer Queen of Naples, Caroline Murat called herself Contessa di Lipona, an anagram of Napoli. She accepted the Emperor Francis's invitation to come to Vienna.
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« Reply #69 on: June 05, 2020, 09:58:37 AM »

Gaston Jean Baptiste was born at the Palace of Fontainebleau in France on April 29, 1608. At his birth he was given the title of Duke of Anjou.
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« Reply #70 on: June 11, 2020, 04:14:40 PM »

The title King of the Romans was given to the elected king who ruled over to the German princes. Initially, the title was used by an elected king who had not yet been crowned as Holy Roman Emperor. Later the title was used to denote the heir apparent to the imperial crown.
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« Reply #71 on: June 24, 2020, 12:15:35 AM »

Edward, Prince of Wales (King Edward II of England) had asked his father King Edward I of England to bestow the title of Count of Ponthieu on Piers Gaveston.
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« Reply #72 on: July 17, 2020, 09:04:52 PM »

George V was Duke of Cornwall and York for almost a year after Queen Victoria died until Queen Alexandra could be convinced to allow another woman to be Princess of Wales, a title she had held or the majority of her life at that point. Some people were afraid she would block the title forever.
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« Reply #73 on: July 18, 2020, 02:52:41 AM »

George V was Duke of Cornwall and York for almost a year after Queen Victoria died until Queen Alexandra could be convinced to allow another woman to be Princess of Wales, a title she had held or the majority of her life at that point. Some people were afraid she would block the title forever.

That's really interesting! I have to admit certain names do stick and others take longer to change. In the future i think it will be very hard to refer to Kate as Princess of Wales and not as the Duchess of Cambridge. That's if events of the last half century havent blocked the use of that title.
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« Reply #74 on: July 18, 2020, 03:35:21 AM »

George V was Duke of Cornwall and York for almost a year after Queen Victoria died until Queen Alexandra could be convinced to allow another woman to be Princess of Wales, a title she had held or the majority of her life at that point. Some people were afraid she would block the title forever.

My research says it was Edward VII who needed to be convinced as he had been Prince of Wales from the age of two months. He also felt there was a need for some distance in time to ensure that people weren't confused. In the end he created his son as Prince of Wales and Earl of Chester on his own first birthday as King - 9th November.

Alexandra refused to be called Queen until after Victoria's funeral.
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