The Crown - Netflix

[Hester]

As if the royal family would be so rude to a guest at Balmoral.

[Konradin]

It is funny, to call it somehow, how often I find myself reminding others that "The Crown" is mostly fiction, not the truth itself.

[Chandrasekhi]

When even the Frontman of The Sex Pistols defends Her Majesty against attacks from across the Atlantic by creators of "The Crown" and their collaborators:

https://www.telegraph.co....-lydon-tells-sex-pistols/

The Crown wanted scenes of bottles being thrown at the Queen, John Lydon tells Sex Pistols court case. Former frontman said he refused to allow God Save the Queen to be used in the Netflix drama after learning how it was to be used.


The producers of The Crown tried to invent scenes of a rioting crowd pelting the Queen with bottles during her Silver Jubilee procession, John Lydon has claimed.
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It is the latest accusation of falsehood to hit the show, which has been accused of a series of inventions that portray the Royal family in an unflattering light.
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“There were no bricks and bottles thrown at the Queen… it’s a lie. The only people making any demonstration at all about the Royal family that day were the Sex Pistols on a boat trip down the Thames - lovely songs of protest in front of the Houses of Parliament, and that’s it."

“They can mish-mash history all they want, but they can’t do it using my name.”
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link to article courtesy of the NuttyFlavorBlog

[Gemsheal]

The Crown series continues to puzzle me.  I know the producers' agenda is to depict the BRF unflatteringly.  But even this, is surely no reason at all for depicting Philip as partially responsible for his sister Cecilia's being on the plane that crashed.   Or for the scene of Prince Andrew of Greece chewing Philip out afterward.  Those scenes totally disgusted me. 

The prevailing fiction(s) that the producers keep coming up with are actually much less interesting than the truth (or at least, as much of the "truth" as any reader of Royal bio's or letters can know).

For example I thought they dropped the ball on
a juicy and dramatic, plot line when they ignored the Duke & Duchess of Windsor appearing at the memorial unveiling at Marlborough House in 1967.  It was the first, and only, public appearance by the couple at a Royal event.  The Duchess of Windsor omitted a curtsey to the Queen Mother.  The Queen Mother, and more importantly the Queen, noticed this.  The couple (I think?) were not mentioned as being present in the Court Circular, but there were some cheers from the public.  Imagine the acting that Olivia Coleman, Derek Jacobi and Geraldine Chaplin could have done with this! 

[lyndell75]

First look at Imelda Staunton as QEII S5

[anastasia beaverhausen]

Oh I like this very much! 

While her portrayal of Delores Umbridge was flawless, I’m sure she will do an equally great job as QEII.

[anneboleyn]

The Crown confuses me too. There’s enough real history with this family that there is no need for fabrication.

[lyndell75]

Dominic West & Elizabeth Debicki

[Konradin]

The Crown confuses me too. There’s enough real history with this family that there is no need for fabrication.

We are going to watch the Wales' war in all its glory next year, and I don't think it will deviate much from the Deceased's narrative, in fact, even biographers condemned the last season because of this, nobody spoke well about Charles on the topic for hey, there were lovers involved on both sides but almost 30 years since her death should give us some margin to at least speak about facts but then again, I understand why they wouldn't go there, in any case, it suits Peter Morgan's line from the beginning, let's not forget he started, at least publicly outside the UK, by writing «The Queen» so of course he was going to follow that line.

I was pleasantly, if not very, surprised that he chose to go with the line the Queen actually made his secretary drop that remark to «The Times» on HM's opinion on Thatcher, and South Africa. There is a very old series around, I have it myself, and there are some chapters on youtube, called THE QUEEN, 5 episodes, each one HM is portrayed by a different actress in each episode:
E01, Margaret and Peter Townsend
E02, The Royal Family's documentary, Anne's wedding, and her attempt to be kidnapped, which I am sad The Crown didn't portrait.
E03, Thatcher's visit to Balmoral, you can see she was very well treated, and no mention to faux-pas was filmed, the whole Commonwealth issue, and the narrative here is the secretary decided this himself.
E04, the last years of the Wales' war, the Panorama interview, HM agrees to a divorce.
E05, Charles and Camilla attempt to make her liked by the public, how Charles managed that, and finally convinced her mother to publicly acknowledge her presence.

Yes, the budget was low, and you can tell, but I liked it, especially given how much material, and money, TC has vs what they actually portrayed. Sometimes they created drama when it wasn't, and ignored very interesting situations well known to those we love history.

Anyway, I watch it as a fiction, and try very hard to forget they are actually portraying facts, instead of half-facts, and innuendo. Plus, I think Immelda would do a superb job, I love Olivia but honestly, her "Queen" was a bit dumb after Claire's. I feel she took the queue from Helen Mirren, show no emotion, make it dowdy, make it cold, and she is anything but that. 

[RainbowUnicorn68]

I am a nerd, and am constantly annoyed by the changing and distorting of historical facts in fictionalized versions of actual events, and so I am glad I read this thread before deciding whether to watch The Crown or not.

Thank you all for your enlightening comments!

[Cordelia Fitzgerald]

I am a nerd, and am constantly annoyed by the changing and distorting of historical facts in fictionalized versions of actual events, and so I am glad I read this thread before deciding whether to watch The Crown or not.

Thank you all for your enlightening comments!

Me too!    I haven't really started the Crown yet because I don't know enough to separate fact from fiction, and confirmation bias being a real thing, I think I'd be inclined to assume some of the less pleasant portrayals are the truth.

[Gemsheal]

Again, I do wish the writers had stuck with truth (so far as we know it) over fictions. 

It's hilarious to me because the truth is so much more interesting and even dramatic, than the fictions the writers create.

I bet the makers won't even give airtime to Margaret's final lunch with Peter Townsend in the early 1990's.  Imagine the possibilities of that scene for the actors. 

[anneboleyn]

While the show isn’t fully accurate, I still find it amazing and sooo good. I recommend it!

[cottesmore girl]

The Crown Series 5 will be filming in Spain for around 15 days in September. ( I have a friend who is being considered as an 'extra' as a bodyguard)

Does anybody know of a major event that took place in Spain during the 80's 90's? Or maybe Spain is being used as a different location. We are having fun guessing!

[Konradin]

The Wales' visited the Spanish royal family.



I also think Spain's areas could pass for Africa, D. visits to landmine zones, and all.