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« Reply #15 on: December 18, 2017, 09:40:11 AM »

One thing Lucas did so well is world building. There isn't a lot of that here, though I did enjoy Rogue One A LOT more than TFA and TLJ. I enjoyed TLJ for what it was but thinking on it a lot just made me frustrated because I have the same issues with it you did.

I'm gonna go see it again with my dad, who will probably have a melt-down, he'll be so angry, haha. He saw the first when it came out, thinking it would be rubbish, and then came out gushing it was the BEST MOVIE EVER. (He was about 29 when it came out? and into cinematography and a film maker himself, so it really rocked his world, as it did everyone back then.)

It's just a shame really because I was SO excited to see some answers and a continuation of the plot of TFA and now I just have more questions. Being vague on purpose bc spoilers, but you know what I mean, lol
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« Reply #16 on: December 18, 2017, 09:49:14 AM »

One thing Lucas did so well is world building. There isn't a lot of that here, though I did enjoy Rogue One A LOT more than TFA and TLJ. I enjoyed TLJ for what it was but thinking on it a lot just made me frustrated because I have the same issues with it you did.

I'm gonna go see it again with my dad, who will probably have a melt-down, he'll be so angry, haha. He saw the first when it came out, thinking it would be rubbish, and then came out gushing it was the BEST MOVIE EVER. (He was about 29 when it came out? and into cinematography and a film maker himself, so it really rocked his world, as it did everyone back then.)

It's just a shame really because I was SO excited to see some answers and a continuation of the plot of TFA and now I just have more questions. Being vague on purpose bc spoilers, but you know what I mean, lol

I am seeing it with my family next week, will be interested to hear what they think. I agree re Lucas and world building.

My friends and I kinda all agreed. We enjoyed it, but shortly after it being done, we all felt unsatisfied. We all sat around trying to figure out what was wrong and we just all settled on it feeling like filler and that the interesting ideas Rian Johnson tried to build never fully developed. And the OOCness.

Adam Driver's chest, however, was a nice addition  Banana

I thought the dialogue was *almost* prequel bad too. It was saved by good actors, but some of the jokes fell flat in my very hyped theater.

Maybe I will like it more on another viewing. But this is the first SW movie I actively do not want to re-watch.

All well, hopefully episode 9 will bring it all home  Thinking
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« Reply #17 on: December 18, 2017, 12:01:10 PM »

So, I really disliked it. A lot. SPOILERS BELOW (I can't get the text to be light enough it seems)

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JJ and Rian talked about the scripts, both directors confirmed this (together with Colin, that was supposed to write and direct Episode IX - he left a few months ago and JJ will return). Abrams confirmed that he actually changed TFA ending after one of the chats to have continuity with TLJ Wink He also implyed that he changed at least one other scene to help TLJ and Episode IX scripts.
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« Reply #18 on: December 18, 2017, 01:00:02 PM »

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« Reply #19 on: December 18, 2017, 02:23:33 PM »

So, I really disliked it. A lot. SPOILERS BELOW (I can't get the text to be light enough it seems)

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JJ and Rian talked about the scripts, both directors confirmed this (together with Colin, that was supposed to write and direct Episode IX - he left a few months ago and JJ will return). Abrams confirmed that he actually changed TFA ending after one of the chats to have continuity with TLJ Wink He also implyed that he changed at least one other scene to help TLJ and Episode IX scripts.

Hmm Rian literally said he wrote his script and his arcs separate from TFAs and that fans should expect the film to divulge more as a result, I watched him say this in an interview lol. Even if he consulted with Abrams and even if Abrams tried to accommodate some of Johnson's vision for continuity, by and large I do not think it worked well.

I know JJ is coming back and I am generally not happy about JJ Abrams leading any series, but maybe having the same director for 2/3 of the films will help with a more cohesive overall arc.
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« Reply #20 on: December 18, 2017, 02:37:01 PM »

Sorry to read you didn't really enjoy it  Sad
But at least now we are all expecting answers (and they better be good !!! ) for the next movie  Wink

Just in case: the color for spolier text is 'snow'. Just type it instead of 'any color name' in the brackets

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« Reply #21 on: December 18, 2017, 02:50:40 PM »

I saw him (Rian) said both things, that he/JJ/Colin talked about the story as a whole and that he took liberties in VIII to be different movie from TFA but always having in mind the triology. He definitely took risks and diverged from the TFA, I loved that! I know many Star Wars fans didn't.

I agree that the movie has some continuity issues but I believe that that will be solved with Episode IX. I think TLJ will work much better when the triology is completed. It's the "middle" episode and that can be tricky. But overall and story wise, I loved the direction Rian took.

I'm happy JJ is returning, I think he did a good job with TFA. Colin's choice was a odd one imo and I was apprehensive with him being on board. JJ and Rian always seemed more "in sync" despite wanting to do different things.
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« Reply #22 on: December 18, 2017, 03:57:44 PM »

I saw him (Rian) said both things, that he/JJ/Colin talked about the story as a whole and that he took liberties in VIII to be different movie from TFA but always having in mind the triology. He definitely took risks and diverged from the TFA, I loved that! I know many Star Wars fans didn't.

I agree that the movie has some continuity issues but I believe that that will be solved with Episode IX. I think TLJ will work much better when the triology is completed. It's the "middle" episode and that can be tricky. But overall and story wise, I loved the direction Rian took.

I'm happy JJ is returning, I think he did a good job with TFA. Colin's choice was a odd one imo and I was apprehensive with him being on board. JJ and Rian always seemed more "in sync" despite wanting to do different things.

I think that it totally possible. You are right that the middle of a trilogy is always the hardest to land. I think only the recent Batman Trilogy fully landed a middle movie, but maybe because I loved Empire Strikes Back so much I had higher expectations of this triology.

But I donít disagree that somethings worked and being willing to go in different is good or else the series becomes stale, I just didnít think it was overall done well in this installment.

Maybe seeing it again will help though.

And Elissa thanks for the text tip!!
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« Reply #23 on: December 18, 2017, 04:12:53 PM »

My pleasure  dear wisdomheaven Hug

To be completely honest...

I was very very sad to see Luke was the one departing. I was really expecting Leia to be the one dying in this one ( and was nearly right... the 'Superman Leia' scene  ) Someone in front of me actually shouted No! No! No! No! No! in the theater when Luke dissolved into thin air !

The 'romance' between Rose and Finn also comes a bit out of nowhere... But maybe their relationship, if any, will play a part into Rey's behaviour in Episode IX ?


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« Reply #24 on: December 18, 2017, 04:36:56 PM »

I saw him (Rian) said both things, that he/JJ/Colin talked about the story as a whole and that he took liberties in VIII to be different movie from TFA but always having in mind the triology. He definitely took risks and diverged from the TFA, I loved that! I know many Star Wars fans didn't.

I agree that the movie has some continuity issues but I believe that that will be solved with Episode IX. I think TLJ will work much better when the triology is completed. It's the "middle" episode and that can be tricky. But overall and story wise, I loved the direction Rian took.

I'm happy JJ is returning, I think he did a good job with TFA. Colin's choice was a odd one imo and I was apprehensive with him being on board. JJ and Rian always seemed more "in sync" despite wanting to do different things.

I think that it totally possible. You are right that the middle of a trilogy is always the hardest to land. I think only the recent Batman Trilogy fully landed a middle movie, but maybe because I loved Empire Strikes Back so much I had higher expectations of this triology.

But I don’t disagree that somethings worked and being willing to go in different is good or else the series becomes stale, I just didn’t think it was overall done well in this installment.

Maybe seeing it again will help though.

And Elissa thanks for the text tip!!

I've a friend that also did not like it when he saw it with me and saw it again a couple of days later and his opinion changed a bit (for better). He said a 2nd viewing gave him a different perspective Smiley

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I was very sad with Luke dying but the scen was beautiful and quite iconic imo. Him looking at the two Suns, at the end was a tear jerker  Cry Cry

I was expecting him to die actually. Mark Hamil said in an interview that TFA was Harrison's "movie", Episode VIII would be his and Episode IX would be Carrie's. Mostly because it was mentioned that the confrontation talk between Leia and Ben would only happen in the final episode (can you imagine the face-to-face talk between Kylo and mum? Damn!). Now with Carrie's death, we will never have that  No No Cry Cry

The look on Rey's face when she sees Finn taking care of Rose, at the end, it is quite enigmatic imo. It can go either way, she's just happy for her friend or she's having some dark feelings about and that will play a part in Episode IX. I agree that Finn/Rose romance was a bit forced and quite lame imo. I really hope that it has a purpose story-wise, other than give us some random "love story" in the triology.

If we gonna have a lame "love arch", gives us Reylo! Just for the simply pleasure of seeing the Reylo fans having a meltdown and the haters another other ahahahah
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« Reply #25 on: December 18, 2017, 04:59:51 PM »

You guys are confirming what I've been hearing.  I saw this quote on Facebook about the movie:

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While professional/Corporate-think "critics" just looooooooove The Least Jedi (93% Rotten Tomatoes critic score), the non-professional everyday fans think it's pretty bad (56% RT audience score), which makes it less liked by audiences than...*drumroll*...the Justice League flick. Looks like audiences are shaking off the professional critics' attempt at a massive Jedi mind trick...
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« Reply #26 on: December 19, 2017, 12:59:35 AM »

I have LOVED Star Wars since the early 90'. Watched the first three movies on the most worn out VHS tapes that went around school and was hooked HARD. When the fans got them back into theaters I cried. The prequels made me cry too - I still remember watching the first trailer over and over again, feeling that it would never get as good as this - and how right was I..

We saw TLJ Friday and I really, really disliked it. The plot is weak - pretty much a repeat of ESB with the new and (semi-)interesting plotlines drowing in too much HAHAHAHA humour (ugh) and in your face attempts to sell toys. It's incredible that they're managed to out-cheese George Lucas but kudos, they did. I don't mind movies have political points but I do mind getting them smack in the face as you do here. It makes the whole thing feel really not Star Wars and more Disney Franchise Cry Cry Cry

As few things that really, really bugs me:

The Force. If Luke becoming a full on, can beat Vader jedi in a very short time, Rey becoming super jedi even faster with no training feels flat out ridiculous. What a way to make an interesting character into a Mary Sue in less than one movie Snare Also - are we really to believe that jedi training is that .. redundant? Jedis were trained for thousands of years and now POOF! training doesn't matter? I really dislike undermining canon like this. Pretty soon the original movies are undermined by the new ones. This does not bode well.

Also. World building. George Luca may have built communicators from ladyshavers but his overall vision was - is - magical and spot on. Now it just feels as if there's a "Team Luke's planet", "Team First Order", "Team Jedi" and so on. It is so sad to me. This was a magic world. Now it's about selling toys Cry
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« Reply #27 on: December 19, 2017, 04:34:42 AM »

I have LOVED Star Wars since the early 90'. Watched the first three movies on the most worn out VHS tapes that went around school and was hooked HARD. When the fans got them back into theaters I cried. The prequels made me cry too - I still remember watching the first trailer over and over again, feeling that it would never get as good as this - and how right was I..

We saw TLJ Friday and I really, really disliked it. The plot is weak - pretty much a repeat of ESB with the new and (semi-)interesting plotlines drowing in too much HAHAHAHA humour (ugh) and in your face attempts to sell toys. It's incredible that they're managed to out-cheese George Lucas but kudos, they did. I don't mind movies have political points but I do mind getting them smack in the face as you do here. It makes the whole thing feel really not Star Wars and more Disney Franchise Cry Cry Cry

As few things that really, really bugs me:

The Force. If Luke becoming a full on, can beat Vader jedi in a very short time, Rey becoming super jedi even faster with no training feels flat out ridiculous. What a way to make an interesting character into a Mary Sue in less than one movie Snare Also - are we really to believe that jedi training is that .. redundant? Jedis were trained for thousands of years and now POOF! training doesn't matter? I really dislike undermining canon like this. Pretty soon the original movies are undermined by the new ones. This does not bode well.

Also. World building. George Luca may have built communicators from ladyshavers but his overall vision was - is - magical and spot on. Now it just feels as if there's a "Team Luke's planet", "Team First Order", "Team Jedi" and so on. It is so sad to me. This was a magic world. Now it's about selling toys Cry

 Star Very much agree especially with the lack of Jedi training.

I thought the political aspects were the more intriguing parts of the movie, but as I mentioned above, I think overall the problem with this movie is that interesting ideas and plot points are badly executed and make for a sloppy movie.

I think it was a mistake to hand over so much control to Kathleen Kennedy and Disney. They do not have the respect for the lore and originals that say a Peter Jackson did for LOTR.
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« Reply #29 on: December 19, 2017, 06:32:04 PM »

I saw it Saturday AM & loved it.  SW speaks to the child in me.  Spoilers below:

My son likes Rians movies and he said this felt very Rian. 
I thought it was a bit uneven but once Rey got in front of Snoke, all hell broke loose and it charged to the ending. 
The Casino Planet wasn't my favorite but someone said it spoke to how some were profiting on the death and suffering of others.  IMO this movie brought home, more than any other, the true cost of the Rebellion. 
I believe that Rey is a 'nobody'.  The little boy at the end using the Force to get the broom echos that IMO.  And lest we forget, Anakin was a nobody.  We need Rey to have her own story & not be tied to the lore of the Skywalkers. 

I ADORED Admiral Holdo.  A woman who is in a dress with styled hair and makeup (not that these things make a woman a woman but in general we see women in Admiral positions in more of a uniform) in charge and leading the rebels.  I cried when she told Leia she was staying behind to save others.  And then, when she turned the ship around and HYPERDROVE IT INTO THE DESTROYER.  OMG!!  The use of silence in that scene was powerful!
I had to laugh at the shirtless Kylo scene because Rey reacted exactly how I would have (Awkward Cowgrrl is Awkward). 

We must keep in mind that the middle movie of any trilogy has the hardest job.  It must move the story forward but not really close anything.  It sets up the final movie.
Complaints:  Needed more Captain Phasma.  As a tall girl, she is the character I needed as a teen.  I felt it needed a bit of editing to tighten it up. 

I'm optimistic for the last movie.  I think we will shift forward a few years.  Leia will have died during that time & Poe is now the leader of the Rebellion.  Kylo has become almost unbearable in his need for power and control and Rey is still struggling to hone her powers.  She sees glimpses of Kylo but not enough to know his plans.  Finn & Rose are a couple; a bright spot in the horrors of the First Order. 
I hope we see the little boy again. 
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