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« Reply #5040 on: May 06, 2021, 11:26:42 PM »

I've been using Duo Lingo to brush up on my Spanish (took it in high school and uni). I can read it better than speak it. I'm also trying to learn Italian (Spanish and it have a lot in common as well as Portuguese--that will be next). I want to visit the Spanish coast and Italy where I'll eat my body weight in pasta.  

I am fairly fluent in Italian as I’m first generation and took Spanish in school thinking it would be easy. While the Italian definitely helped with Spanish vocabulary they aren’t as similar as most non-speakers think. The grammar rules are different just as an example.

I agree Ralf - William should minimally be at least bilingual.
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« Reply #5041 on: May 06, 2021, 11:37:29 PM »

I hope, with both Maria, who is Spanish, and  their cook, who is Italian, that the children will be more fluent in different languages than their parents.
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« Reply #5042 on: May 06, 2021, 11:54:35 PM »

Interesting point picked up from a visit by William in Wales today:

https://www.walesonline.c...iam-go-gardening-20540160

The Duke of Cambridge has revealed his wife is encouraging his interest in gardening – so he can share the Prince of Wales’s passion for plants and they can enjoy some more time together.

Kate is even buying William a horticultural book by BBC gardener Monty Don in an effort to turn her husband’s fingers green.


Catherine, ever the peace maker.
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« Reply #5043 on: May 07, 2021, 12:03:39 AM »

I hope, with both Maria, who is Spanish, and  their cook, who is Italian, that the children will be more fluent in different languages than their parents.

Absolutely, it is fantastic for them to have multilingual members of the household for the children. Maria, in particular.
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« Reply #5044 on: May 07, 2021, 12:36:59 AM »

Without wishing to be one of those "always blame someone else" people it's always shocked me that William wasn't introduced to languages much earlier and given much more intense teaching in languages (including French which he doesn't seem that fluent in compared to HM for example) given his future role. In my experiences languages are better taught as early on as possible so even if William had taken it upon himself to start learning when he realised how helpful it may be to his future role.

It is a little shocking and I put it right back on the War of the Wales era. Both parents were highest profile, iconic people with extraordinary busy lives. International travel, sponsoring charities, secret interviews, secret book deals, galas, extramarital affairs, celebrity associations, dealing with other family members...when was there time for William and Harry? Sure they both loved the boys but love is not enough. William especially had an inescapable future and the fact that he doesn’t know the languages of his Kingdom is inexcusable. He should have been in language school at 6.
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« Reply #5045 on: May 07, 2021, 12:43:36 AM »

Interesting point picked up from a visit by William in Wales today:

https://www.walesonline.c...iam-go-gardening-20540160

The Duke of Cambridge has revealed his wife is encouraging his interest in gardening – so he can share the Prince of Wales’s passion for plants and they can enjoy some more time together.

Kate is even buying William a horticultural book by BBC gardener Monty Don in an effort to turn her husband’s fingers green.


Catherine, ever the peace maker.

Oh that Kate is surprisingly shrewd sometimes. Kate wants William to “share the Prince of Wales passion for plants”...that “passion for plants” is also called “The Duchy of Cornwall” that is worth $1 billion a year. Yes, Kate, that book by Marty Don should do it. 🤣🤣🤣
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« Reply #5046 on: May 07, 2021, 05:21:54 AM »

I thought there was some irony in Kate correcting William's pronunciation (I fully agree that it's a bad look at the least, even if it was just misguided banter) because her accent is so forced and unnatural that I literally couldn't understand her.  I don't know if this will make sense, but listening to her makes my ears feel tired, trying to sort through her posher than posh accent.

That's just it, Cordelia Fitzgerald: Kate did not correct William's pronunciation. Aside from the accent, there are peculiarities in the way English is spoken across the world.
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« Reply #5047 on: May 07, 2021, 04:07:24 PM »

Without wishing to be one of those "always blame someone else" people it's always shocked me that William wasn't introduced to languages much earlier and given much more intense teaching in languages (including French which he doesn't seem that fluent in compared to HM for example) given his future role. In my experiences languages are better taught as early on as possible so even if William had taken it upon himself to start learning when he realised how helpful it may be to his future role.

William's education of course will have have different fot the majority of Brits, but speaking from experience one major failing of British schools is in the language area. Maybe it's a remnant of colonial times when English was the most widely spoken language so there was no need to learn others, but foreign language education is really poor in the UK. At most schools you have the option of French, German or Spanish, and you are allotted one based on your form group. If you have a student who speaks one of these languages they are put into a form that will teach the other. I learned French at school, and because so few were interested, sadly the lessons were always chaos with little learning for those of us who wanted to. Strangely at GCSE the students who were poor at French had the option of switching to Spanish as the school vegan employing a Spanish teacher, and Spanish was promoted as "easier," than French. The average Brit will not have any knowledge of other languages, bar things like please, thank you, hello, etc. I'm always seen as weird because I speak 5 languages and often get asked where I get the time from to learn.

MFL are normally introduced at secondary school, so from ages of 11/12. If we compare this to other European countries where English is taught as a second language from the ages of 6/7, by the time they are aged 11 they may be in a better place to learn a third language.

Except for universities and private schools there are very few examples where languages such as Mandarin, Latin etc are taught. It seems that the British education system is stuck in a colonial mindset where the languages available to learn are languages of empire, e.g. French, German, Spanish. Of course, William would have had a very different type of education, I think at some private schools Ancient Greek is still taught, but his lack of language knowledge could partly be blamed on the education system and the British views of other languages etc. The great thing about languages is that it's never too late to learn, and I hope that William (and Kate) will expand their language knowledge in the future.
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« Reply #5048 on: May 07, 2021, 04:12:38 PM »

Interesting point picked up from a visit by William in Wales today:

https://www.walesonline.c...iam-go-gardening-20540160

The Duke of Cambridge has revealed his wife is encouraging his interest in gardening – so he can share the Prince of Wales’s passion for plants and they can enjoy some more time together.

Kate is even buying William a horticultural book by BBC gardener Monty Don in an effort to turn her husband’s fingers green.


Catherine, ever the peace maker.

That Duchy of Cornwall has been a cash cow for Charles. I have to give him credit, he was promoting the organic scene long before it became fashionable to do so. William inherits all that land.

Oh that Kate is surprisingly shrewd sometimes. Kate wants William to “share the Prince of Wales passion for plants”...that “passion for plants” is also called “The Duchy of Cornwall” that is worth $1 billion a year. Yes, Kate, that book by Marty Don should do it. 🤣🤣🤣
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« Reply #5049 on: May 07, 2021, 04:38:11 PM »

I thought there was some irony in Kate correcting William's pronunciation (I fully agree that it's a bad look at the least, even if it was just misguided banter) because her accent is so forced and unnatural that I literally couldn't understand her.  I don't know if this will make sense, but listening to her makes my ears feel tired, trying to sort through her posher than posh accent.

Yes as an English speaker - and some would dispute that as they probably can't understand me - it depends on where you come from or have spent a longer period of time in ......

Australian English is not just the "sound" but the words too .... and the same in the US and UK. I remember being in an airport in Midwest US and hearing an announcement .... most of which I had no idea of what was said ... luckily I had a coworker with me who could "translate" and we got on the plane which was departing from a different terminal .....

That's just it, Cordelia Fitzgerald: Kate did not correct William's pronunciation. Aside from the accent, there are peculiarities in the way English is spoken across the world.
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« Reply #5050 on: May 07, 2021, 08:59:40 PM »



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Fluent:
HM: French, German --> QEII has never been heard speaking German, let alone speak off the cuff. I think that is a rumour based on the (almost slandering idea) that her grandmother Queen Mary spoke only basic english with a strong german accent, which I always doubted, since her mother was british and the family never really lived in Germany. Anyway, the QueenMom hated Germany and I would be quite surprised had german been on the young princess'to do list....
PP: French, German  --> That at least is true!!!
PC: French, German --> again, I heard him reading a german speech from a script, and he was understandable, but I doubt he is anywhere near fluent or even able to hold more than a small talk convo.
Anne: French, German --> see above
Edward: French, German (highly probable)--> again, see above, I don't see any reason for them to learn german..
William: French, German --> nope
Kate: French

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PC: Welsh; a form of Gaelic (which?)
Anne:
Edward:
William: Welsh, Swahili, a form of Gaelic (which?)
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« Reply #5051 on: May 08, 2021, 03:26:12 PM »

I speak Danish and English, have a decent understanding of German and understanding and can somewhat make myself understandable in Norwegian and Swedish. It’s almost a given for most people under.. 60, I’d say in Denmark give and take. When you’re a small language group and you live surrounded by different and sometimes bigger languages groups that’s how it ends up, I think. However it’s evolving. My kids are fluent in English and have learned German and French too, the oldest also learning Ancient Greek and Latin in high school along with practicing Japanese, Italian and various versions of Chinese because he’s a language nerd. Above all they prefer English though. To the degree his Danish teacher told him to remember to speak Danish in Danish classes Clown Not everyone is like that though but English is definitely HUGE in Denmark and not just here, I believe. It’s a bit bizarre that at least one true foreign language was a priority in William’s education and certainly a strong introduction to Welsh and Gaelic  but I am pretty certain he will be understood everywhere he goes because just about everybody learn and speak English today.
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« Reply #5052 on: May 08, 2021, 03:58:09 PM »

I looked into that topic for my MA thesis - as English undoubtely is the new lingua franca of the world a lot of people focus on English (only) especially when learning a second language. I think in the EU the probem is that there are too many different languages ... French, Spanish German being major ones besides English.

We have a friend (mother tongue: English) who studied law + French because he was afraid it looked bad if he preferred German over French (needless to say he ended up working Germany). 

I think when Elizabeth + Magaret were small nobody thought that Elizabeth would end up being Queen, I think Queen mom hoped her girls would marry well and tried not to give them a very good education. It sounds very weird - but I am a kid of the 1070s and here in the German countryside a lot of farming parents, e.g. strived for "basic education" for their sons that they would not get the notion to go to university and not into farming. My parents would not send me to "gymnasium" (which is the highest form of secondary school we have) because they were afraid I was "unmarriable" later, being a kind of a blue-stocking. Sounds very weird today, but was common thinking back then. 
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« Reply #5053 on: May 08, 2021, 05:20:49 PM »

Yes, to have non English as a mother tongue and study English as a second language makes perfect sense. But William not learning languages where he will rule one day isn’t a good look. Charles spent a semester in Wales learning the language. But it’s not even just about communication, it’s about understanding culture, history, etc. Also, when you study other languages, it makes you understand your own even more. Look at other royal families, like Felipe in Spain, speaks several languages, has a law degree and I think economics degree. Most of the other royal heirs have a few degrees from prestigious universities, a few languages under their belts. But William, a degree in Geography,(?) command of his mother tongue (?), some agri stint at Cambridge. And he isn’t even busy being the heir. He should have gone to that change maker school in Wales the Mountbattens founded. Or London School of Economics. Even his gap year was wasted.
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« Reply #5054 on: May 08, 2021, 07:01:31 PM »

I believe he’s busy behind the scenes learning the ropes from Charles as he (Charles) is starting to take over from QE. Just because we don’t see them do it, doesn’t mean it’s not happening Smiley Education wise it’s not many generations of royals who have an actual degree either. I am fairly certain Margrethe doesn’t for i, Fred will be the first Danish king who does. I think it’s the same in many monarchies? Besides being the regent strictly speaking isn’t something you qualify for at university. In the BRF a large part of William’s role when he’s the PoW will be managing the duchy. For various monarchies more specialised qualifications will vary. Except for languages I see little evidence that William hasn’t been schooled behind the scenes. His visit to Israel went quite well IIRC and I am certain it was not something he would have been sent of to do if he wasn’t prepared.
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