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« Reply #5055 on: May 08, 2021, 07:32:13 PM »

I believe heís busy behind the scenes learning the ropes from Charles as he (Charles) is starting to take over from QE. Just because we donít see them do it, doesnít mean itís not happening Smiley Education wise itís not many generations of royals who have an actual degree either. I am fairly certain Margrethe doesnít for i, Fred will be the first Danish king who does. I think itís the same in many monarchies? Besides being the regent strictly speaking isnít something you qualify for at university. In the BRF a large part of Williamís role when heís the PoW will be managing the duchy. For various monarchies more specialised qualifications will vary. Except for languages I see little evidence that William hasnít been schooled behind the scenes. His visit to Israel went quite well IIRC and I am certain it was not something he would have been sent of to do if he wasnít prepared.

There have been several stories and some video clips of William learning to run the Duchy. Attending meetings, tours, meeting people, and the like. They could probably amp that up a bit. Iím sure itís a huge under taking so why not add it to the CC and publicize it more. I wonder if Charles will hate giving it up. Itís been his baby for so long Iím sure it will be tough to turn it over to Wills who probably doesnít see it the same way, at least right now. That could change or I could be totally wrong.
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« Reply #5056 on: May 08, 2021, 07:49:24 PM »

I feel that William will step up with regard to the Duchy. That has always been looming as a future duty. Growing his family and getting the kids out of diapers as he makes an easy transition into a quasi Prince of Wales is happening it seems. Kate is clearly in on it if she's planting seeds pardon the pun for gardening and communing with nature like his father does. It has always seemed to me that Charles' biggest sadness is that neither son took an interest in the Prince's Trust which has been an unmitigated success from my imperfect vantage point. Clearly William has other things to learn but it would have been wonderful if the second son kept it up.
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« Reply #5057 on: May 08, 2021, 08:18:21 PM »

I feel that William will step up with regard to the Duchy. That has always been looming as a future duty. Growing his family and getting the kids out of diapers as he makes an easy transition into a quasi Prince of Wales is happening it seems. Kate is clearly in on it if she's planting seeds pardon the pun for gardening and communing with nature like his father does. It has always seemed to me that Charles' biggest sadness is that neither son took an interest in the Prince's Trust which has been an unmitigated success from my imperfect vantage point. Clearly William has other things to learn but it would have been wonderful if the second son kept it up.

I read several years ago that Charles set up the Prince's Trust to be self perpetuating after he be comes King, precisely to enable his sons to have their own projects and interests. That's a doublefold gift - that the PT will go on and freedom for his sons to pursue their own interests.

The Duchy is something William cannot avoid though, and I hope as he learns more and more about the administration he will find ways to involve George too, so he that he has a good background to build on when it comes to be his turn. William's approach will be different, but that does not mean it will be worse or better than what Charles has done. William is mature enough now to see what works well, and what he can add to the management of the Duchy.

As to languages, I don't think we'll see Will take on anymore than he already knows. I'd  much rather he concentrate on learning more about the Welsh and various other Celts, along with the culture of some of the more recent major ethnic groups who have immigrated to the UK.
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« Reply #5058 on: May 08, 2021, 08:56:19 PM »

Lady Liebe, I agree William will not learn new languages at this point. He is done with all that. Iím sure he will set up to the plate with the Duchy, thatís his bread and butter but he has never taken much of an interest in the gardening aspect or the financial aspect of it. Charles had a definite interest in horticulture and had a clear vision of organic gardening and was revolutionary at the time. William taking it over doesnít mean itís a passion project, He didnít build it up, didnít have a vision. And if he doesnít want to have his hand in it, he can hire the farm and economic managers. Yes, William does ďbehind the scenesĒ work, as all Royals do all over the world. Iíve just never seen much but the bare minimum from William. From languages to education to even a passion project.
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« Reply #5059 on: May 08, 2021, 09:24:57 PM »

We have to keep in mind that William just "blossomed" recently. He was not the brighest person when it came to education, even though he got three A-levels and studying geography given his future role. Wasn't it art, geography and biology he took? What about politics, history, foreign languages ... He changed his college course once, didn't he? I think he was the typical "not determined" kid with no real idea what he wanted to do. If we look at his counterparts

Victoria: surprisingly enough did not grow up bilingually ... even though her mom's mother tongue was German. And I think the first goal was then to get her fluent in French - before she went to the USA (and is fluent in English). Does anyone know what she studied in Yale? She seems to be better prepared then William when it comes to academics.

I believe Frodo speaks four languages as well (Danish and French because of his parents, English because he studied in Harvard and I believe I once heard him speaking German. He even has a MA degree ....

Hakoon speaks - afaik Norwegian and English and also lived in the US for a while. He had some military training (like William).

Felipe -I believe- holds a MA degree as well and speaks English and Spanish.

WA speaks -afaik- five languages: Dutch - English - German - Spanish - and French and holds a MA degree.

So whatever the British Royal family thought - compared to these five William is lacking a bit in on the education part in general, not only languages. I believe he was a late bloomer - and, compared to the others, he had the worst childhood.

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« Reply #5060 on: May 08, 2021, 10:09:02 PM »

I think William is a classic case of highly intelligent but non-academically inclined. He seems to need tight structure to complete tasks but generally needs to move through life at his own pace. That was probably recognized early on and indulged a bit too much but whatever here we are and he's getting mature and professional. I feel he is more academically trained than Victoria I mean I just looked it up and her degree isn't from Yale she just spent some time there. W at least got a four year degree then military training. Wasn't he an art history major then went to geography? I think those are both great majors that help you make links between many things a real character trait that not everyone has. He is surely being or has been tutored by MPs or other professors in how the law and British constitution work. I mean the queen didn't go to college and her mind understands politics and strategy with a healthy dose of soft skills. Not to get too off topic but I have heard Haakon speak English and well let's just say that he is fluent but doesn't come across as someone who is naturally good at languages unlike his wife.
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« Reply #5061 on: May 09, 2021, 01:57:54 PM »

The SRF is very far from an intellectual family who prioritises formal education. The king, Victoria and CP all suffer from dyslexia too. I canít say I know enough about how the various royal families work in this area but itís not my impression the BRF is the odd one out concerning education.
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« Reply #5062 on: May 09, 2021, 02:41:24 PM »

I remember in my student days, I had a good friend who was born into one of Germany's prominent aristo families, and she told me it's highly unusual in her family to go as far in academic studies as she did. Her family thought it's a horribly bourgeois thing to do ;-) Things may have changed and there are many different kinds of talents, and nowadays there are aristocrats with academic titles (I think one Hohenzollern Prince was a historian but I don't know how good he really was), but book learning is probably not a priority. Arts, games, riding, hunting etc are traditionally more important, I think.

Btw it's funny that the Queen Mum hated Germany and the Germans but in her youth, she had a German governess she loved (she had to leave Scotland with the outbreak of WWI). Shawcross' book mentions it. QM must have spoken German.

Queen Mary had an inquiring mind and was a cultivated woman (others would say, a cultivated magpie LOL but who am I to judge whether it's true?). Of her children, the Duke of Kent was according to John van der Kiste the most academically inclined, but King George V must have been a real philistine.

I remember being quite impressed with Prince Charles' speech in the Bundestag. He read it off but he obviously understood what it said and his accent was very neat.

I studied three foreign languages at school (Latin, English, French) and learned two more languages in my academic studies, one of them very well. In Germany, that's not unusual. But I'm as bourgois as they come ;-)

I'm an art historian myself so I'm very glad to see Kate as fellow professional, Eugenie working in the art field, and Princess Michael of Kent's historical novels are supposed to be good.
 
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« Reply #5063 on: May 09, 2021, 04:10:19 PM »

For the record, Haakon has the entire four year undergraduate degree from UC Berkeley. Until his picture was in the Daily Cal (student run university newspaper),  on graduation day, walking across the stage at the Greek Theater, no one, save the small, local, very discreet Norwegian community even knew he was there.

Berkeley professors would have made no exception for him academically based on who he is. Itís a tough school for undergrads, always being more supportive of graduate students, in my opinion.

He lived in the international house student dorms the first year and off campus housing with roommates after that, like most students. This was in the early-mid 90s. I believe he is still friends with his roomies.

I was kind of surprised he chose a wife without much of an education and not really suited to royal life. Barely suited.

Am I OT, bc this is a William thread?
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« Reply #5064 on: May 09, 2021, 04:15:27 PM »

Queen Elizabeth The Queen Mother probably didn't speak German - having read biographies about her she was very, very poorly educated and didn't care about the education of her daughters either, which Margaret held against her all her life (Margaret was quite clever and interested in things).

Most of them seem like philistines or at least unintelligent, and not curious at all about much of anything.

A shame when there are examples of Queen Mary, Queen Charlotte and Queen Caroline to look back at!
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« Reply #5065 on: May 09, 2021, 04:38:21 PM »

We have to keep in mind that William just "blossomed" recently. He was not the brighest person when it came to education, even though he got three A-levels and studying geography given his future role. Wasn't it art, geography and biology he took? What about politics, history, foreign languages ... He changed his college course once, didn't he? I think he was the typical "not determined" kid with no real idea what he wanted to do. If we look at his counterparts

Victoria: surprisingly enough did not grow up bilingually ... even though her mom's mother tongue was German. And I think the first goal was then to get her fluent in French - before she went to the USA (and is fluent in English). Does anyone know what she studied in Yale? She seems to be better prepared then William when it comes to academics.

I believe Frodo speaks four languages as well (Danish and French because of his parents, English because he studied in Harvard and I believe I once heard him speaking German. He even has a MA degree ....

Hakoon speaks - afaik Norwegian and English and also lived in the US for a while. He had some military training (like William).

Felipe -I believe- holds a MA degree as well and speaks English and Spanish.

WA speaks -afaik- five languages: Dutch - English - German - Spanish - and French and holds a MA degree.

So whatever the British Royal family thought - compared to these five William is lacking a bit in on the education part in general, not only languages. I believe he was a late bloomer - and, compared to the others, he had the worst childhood.



Felipe speaks also French and Catalan (and I think some Greek). The Belgian royals are both multi-lingual.
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« Reply #5066 on: May 09, 2021, 05:43:04 PM »

Lady Liebe, I agree William will not learn new languages at this point. He is done with all that. Iím sure he will set up to the plate with the Duchy, thatís his bread and butter but he has never taken much of an interest in the gardening aspect or the financial aspect of it. Charles had a definite interest in horticulture and had a clear vision of organic gardening and was revolutionary at the time. William taking it over doesnít mean itís a passion project, He didnít build it up, didnít have a vision. And if he doesnít want to have his hand in it, he can hire the farm and economic managers. Yes, William does ďbehind the scenesĒ work, as all Royals do all over the world. Iíve just never seen much but the bare minimum from William. From languages to education to even a passion project.

The gardening isn't even the main investment of the Duchy, so William not being into it isn't that huge of an issue. It's land management that truly matters. William actually went to more Duchy meetings than Charles these last couple of years, so It seems he has a hand or at he keeps an eye on how it's run. In fact, on this very thread there has been pictures and stories of people seeing him spending days on duchy properties.

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« Reply #5067 on: May 09, 2021, 07:40:19 PM »

We have to keep in mind that William just "blossomed" recently. He was not the brighest person when it came to education, even though he got three A-levels and studying geography given his future role. Wasn't it art, geography and biology he took? What about politics, history, foreign languages ... He changed his college course once, didn't he? I think he was the typical "not determined" kid with no real idea what he wanted to do. If we look at his counterparts

Victoria: surprisingly enough did not grow up bilingually ... even though her mom's mother tongue was German. And I think the first goal was then to get her fluent in French - before she went to the USA (and is fluent in English). Does anyone know what she studied in Yale? She seems to be better prepared then William when it comes to academics.

I believe Frodo speaks four languages as well (Danish and French because of his parents, English because he studied in Harvard and I believe I once heard him speaking German. He even has a MA degree ....

Hakoon speaks - afaik Norwegian and English and also lived in the US for a while. He had some military training (like William).

Felipe -I believe- holds a MA degree as well and speaks English and Spanish.

WA speaks -afaik- five languages: Dutch - English - German - Spanish - and French and holds a MA degree.

So whatever the British Royal family thought - compared to these five William is lacking a bit in on the education part in general, not only languages. I believe he was a late bloomer - and, compared to the others, he had the worst childhood.



Felipe speaks also French and Catalan (and I think some Greek). The Belgian royals are both multi-lingual.


Belgium is of course multilingual and Spain is too? Secret
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« Reply #5068 on: May 09, 2021, 07:55:49 PM »

I think William is a classic case of highly intelligent but non-academically inclined. He seems to need tight structure to complete tasks but generally needs to move through life at his own pace. That was probably recognized early on and indulged a bit too much but whatever here we are and he's getting mature and professional. I feel he is more academically trained than Victoria I mean I just looked it up and her degree isn't from Yale she just spent some time there. W at least got a four year degree then military training. Wasn't he an art history major then went to geography? I think those are both great majors that help you make links between many things a real character trait that not everyone has. He is surely being or has been tutored by MPs or other professors in how the law and British constitution work. I mean the queen didn't go to college and her mind understands politics and strategy with a healthy dose of soft skills. Not to get too off topic but I have heard Haakon speak English and well let's just say that he is fluent but doesn't come across as someone who is naturally good at languages unlike his wife.

Periwinkle, different opinions are so interesting! I donít think William is highly intelligent at all. I think he is average in every aspect of his life (except the obvious non average family he was born into). He doesnít have any drive. I think one of the reasons he married Kate was because she was easy. (As in easy going, always there, no fuss, no muss, he really didnít have to work hard to keep her around). Regarding Victoria vs. William: Correct that Victoria didnít get a 4 year degree at Yale, she went to the states to improve her English as well as get diplomatic training at the embassy and also worked at the United Nations. For a future monarch, Working at all these different government positions was probably a better trajectory then just getting a 4 year degree in geography from St. Andrews.
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« Reply #5069 on: May 09, 2021, 08:18:46 PM »

I think William is a classic case of highly intelligent but non-academically inclined. He seems to need tight structure to complete tasks but generally needs to move through life at his own pace. That was probably recognized early on and indulged a bit too much but whatever here we are and he's getting mature and professional. I feel he is more academically trained than Victoria I mean I just looked it up and her degree isn't from Yale she just spent some time there. W at least got a four year degree then military training. Wasn't he an art history major then went to geography? I think those are both great majors that help you make links between many things a real character trait that not everyone has. He is surely being or has been tutored by MPs or other professors in how the law and British constitution work. I mean the queen didn't go to college and her mind understands politics and strategy with a healthy dose of soft skills. Not to get too off topic but I have heard Haakon speak English and well let's just say that he is fluent but doesn't come across as someone who is naturally good at languages unlike his wife.

Periwinkle, different opinions are so interesting! I donít think William is highly intelligent at all. I think he is average in every aspect of his life (except the obvious non average family he was born into). He doesnít have any drive. I think one of the reasons he married Kate was because she was easy. (As in easy going, always there, no fuss, no muss, he really didnít have to work hard to keep her around). Regarding Victoria vs. William: Correct that Victoria didnít get a 4 year degree at Yale, she went to the states to improve her English as well as get diplomatic training at the embassy and also worked at the United Nations. For a future monarch, Working at all these different government positions was probably a better trajectory then just getting a 4 year degree in geography from St. Andrews.

I am guessing William has worked with and learned from quite a few different strings of government by now. He just didnít do it abroad.
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