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« Reply #255 on: May 15, 2019, 05:48:01 AM »

It has nothing to do with being touchy feely. They don't have to be. But they need to engage with the people and show up. It's the way to keep monarchy support up but it's not glamorous or interesting enough for them, as they have said multiple times in various interviews. The excuse is "oh we won't spread ourselves too thin," but they still do very little for the charities they do support to the point they get other patrons who will support them properly and publicly. (EACH, anyone?)
So what steps do you think they can do?
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« Reply #256 on: May 15, 2019, 06:08:02 AM »

It has nothing to do with being touchy feely. They don't have to be. But they need to engage with the people and show up. It's the way to keep monarchy support up but it's not glamorous or interesting enough for them, as they have said multiple times in various interviews. The excuse is "oh we won't spread ourselves too thin," but they still do very little for the charities they do support to the point they get other patrons who will support them properly and publicly. (EACH, anyone?)
So what steps do you think they can do?

How about having advisors etc that actually know what they are doing and make sure that the program is balanced? There is no way that HM or Charles personally decide how their calendars are filled. They have advisors that make sure that a broad range of activities across the UK are included, and that the "extended team" covers the less exciting as well as the things of more personal interest.

Oh - the old "grey men" (and women) actually know how the game should be played - but then HM and Charles, Anne, Wessexs, and the Gloucester and Kent cousins also understand what noblesse oblige really means. They walk the walk . . . The Wales brothers and wives have yet to show they have any idea. Increasing the number of hours "worked" would be a start.
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« Reply #257 on: May 15, 2019, 07:24:56 AM »

It has nothing to do with being touchy feely. They don't have to be. But they need to engage with the people and show up. It's the way to keep monarchy support up but it's not glamorous or interesting enough for them, as they have said multiple times in various interviews. The excuse is "oh we won't spread ourselves too thin," but they still do very little for the charities they do support to the point they get other patrons who will support them properly and publicly. (EACH, anyone?)
So what steps do you think they can do?

How about having advisors etc that actually know what they are doing and make sure that the program is balanced? There is no way that HM or Charles personally decide how their calendars are filled. They have advisors that make sure that a broad range of activities across the UK are included, and that the "extended team" covers the less exciting as well as the things of more personal interest.

Oh - the old "grey men" (and women) actually know how the game should be played - but then HM and Charles, Anne, Wessexs, and the Gloucester and Kent cousins also understand what noblesse oblige really means. They walk the walk . . . The Wales brothers and wives have yet to show they have any idea. Increasing the number of hours "worked" would be a start.
I feel like they did it right in the beginning years and something happen. Was it just goodwill they had?
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« Reply #258 on: May 15, 2019, 07:50:45 AM »

It has nothing to do with being touchy feely. They don't have to be. But they need to engage with the people and show up. It's the way to keep monarchy support up but it's not glamorous or interesting enough for them, as they have said multiple times in various interviews. The excuse is "oh we won't spread ourselves too thin," but they still do very little for the charities they do support to the point they get other patrons who will support them properly and publicly. (EACH, anyone?)
So what steps do you think they can do?

How about having advisors etc that actually know what they are doing and make sure that the program is balanced? There is no way that HM or Charles personally decide how their calendars are filled. They have advisors that make sure that a broad range of activities across the UK are included, and that the "extended team" covers the less exciting as well as the things of more personal interest.

Oh - the old "grey men" (and women) actually know how the game should be played - but then HM and Charles, Anne, Wessexs, and the Gloucester and Kent cousins also understand what noblesse oblige really means. They walk the walk . . . The Wales brothers and wives have yet to show they have any idea. Increasing the number of hours "worked" would be a start.
I feel like they did it right in the beginning years and something happen. Was it just goodwill they had?

This and it certainly also wasn't done well by the palace. It was a nearly yearly routine of: William will step up next year and do more...no sorry he won't, will still complete his studies/pilot training whatever etc.

With Kate it was also the...she's a fresh breath of air and will change the monarchy...thing that they didn't do well.

People got rightly fed up by this and by now I think everyone must've understood that W and K or any other one of the younger generation will never have the shedule of a princess Anne.

And of course both are characterlike not really workaholics.
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« Reply #259 on: May 15, 2019, 12:42:59 PM »

They've said that they want to have fewer patronages so they can be more involved with each...then be involved.  Kate has around 20 and William 25/30 (some were limited campaigns).  I would like to see quarterly visits and attendance at a least one major fundraiser for each patronage every year.  Right there Kate would have 100 engagements and William 125/150.  If they did 2 away days each month (giving them April and August off for term break and summer vacation) that would be 20 away days a year.  Well organized away days can have upto 5 engagements every day...another 100 engagements each assuming no overlap with charities.  Now add in all the Garden Parties (4), Trooping, Garter Day, Remembrance Weekend (2), Diplomatic Reception, State Visits, State Opening of Parliament, etc...and you could easily add another 25.  All this would give Kate 225 and William 250/275.  You could stop there for Kate (SAHM and all) but William could add in some Heir/King in training days and shoot for 300 engagements each year.  And this is all domestic engagements.
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« Reply #260 on: May 15, 2019, 03:48:34 PM »

This whole idea of having fewer patronages smacks of the sheer arrogance and entitlement of William (and all this goes for his brother too).  They truly believe they are special - not only will their endorsement of particular charities and causes attract attention, but to do bread-and-butter events is not only a waste of their time (both because they are uninterested, and believe they don't need to prop up such events to maintain their popularity) but, no doubt, will water down their brand.  If they attended events daily, then none would get publicity so restricting the number of events will add power and press to each.*

It is that same sense of entitlement paired with unthinking loyalty from a dwindling group of supporters that means W&H think all their decisions, from choice of partner to work rate, will be supported without question.  That day is gone - and if not, will come soon, I am sure.

*They forget the power of local press.  If they visit a series of places in a week - say Preston, Durham, Newcastle etc - each of those items might only be a minute of two on the national news, but could be the main item of news locally.  It is utterly naive - and arrogant - to think they don't need these bread and butter events.
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« Reply #261 on: May 15, 2019, 04:05:55 PM »

The thing is, the royals visit their patronages when they are invited.  The royals cannot just show up for a visit at a patronage without proper scheduling and prepared time for everyone involved.  It may not seem like it but when a royal visits their patronage, everything that day for the business/charity comes to a stop.  Nothing can get done for them and it's a lost work day for many.  Add in the security everywhere and the photographers following around.  Honestly, having a royal visit anywhere is a proper pain in the ass and not something that I imagine a lot of people want happening all the time.

As for away days, again, the royals go where they have been invited.  They do not just wake up one morning and say, "We should visit Wales" and then travel to Wales a week later.  Also, the place where they visit covers the cost of the away day and again, many places simply do not want to cover the costs of having a royal visit.  That is not the royals fault - they stay in London so much because the infrastructure/security is already in place for a royal visit.

While I wholeheartedly agree that the younger generation of royals need to work more altogether, away days and focuses on patronages specifically are not always the answer to upping numbers.
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« Reply #262 on: May 15, 2019, 04:08:48 PM »

This whole idea of having fewer patronages smacks of the sheer arrogance and entitlement of William (and all this goes for his brother too).  They truly believe they are special - not only will their endorsement of particular charities and causes attract attention, but to do bread-and-butter events is not only a waste of their time (both because they are uninterested, and believe they don't need to prop up such events to maintain their popularity) but, no doubt, will water down their brand.  If they attended events daily, then none would get publicity so restricting the number of events will add power and press to each.*

It is that same sense of entitlement paired with unthinking loyalty from a dwindling group of supporters that means W&H think all their decisions, from choice of partner to work rate, will be supported without question.  That day is gone - and if not, will come soon, I am sure.

*They forget the power of local press.  If they visit a series of places in a week - say Preston, Durham, Newcastle etc - each of those items might only be a minute of two on the national news, but could be the main item of news locally.  It is utterly naive - and arrogant - to think they don't need these bread and butter events.

I think it's their misguided belief that all their events are about fanfare in the national and global media, and what matters is being on the cover of the key publications. whereas reputation, respect and admiration are built in more localised/smaller ways - going to villages/towns and smaller communities/charities, engaging with people there, being featured in local media, etc.

about having fewer patronages - I would expect that had any of them been able to contribute substantially to any of the patronages. in that case everyone would understand why they need to spend so much time with much fewer charities. but their role is to showcase and bring attention, they are way under-qualified to lead anything or provide any technical knowledge/support.
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« Reply #263 on: May 15, 2019, 06:28:04 PM »

The thing is, the royals visit their patronages when they are invited.  The royals cannot just show up for a visit at a patronage without proper scheduling and prepared time for everyone involved.  It may not seem like it but when a royal visits their patronage, everything that day for the business/charity comes to a stop.  Nothing can get done for them and it's a lost work day for many.  Add in the security everywhere and the photographers following around.  Honestly, having a royal visit anywhere is a proper pain in the ass and not something that I imagine a lot of people want happening all the time.

As for away days, again, the royals go where they have been invited.  They do not just wake up one morning and say, "We should visit Wales" and then travel to Wales a week later.  Also, the place where they visit covers the cost of the away day and again, many places simply do not want to cover the costs of having a royal visit.  That is not the royals fault - they stay in London so much because the infrastructure/security is already in place for a royal visit.

While I wholeheartedly agree that the younger generation of royals need to work more altogether, away days and focuses on patronages specifically are not always the answer to upping numbers.
Such excuses. Anne and Charles and in the past Diana all worked hard and visit their patronages ect...
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« Reply #264 on: May 15, 2019, 07:43:23 PM »

Kate has 20 patronages?  Shocked

I can barely name five of them. She needs to start working on the 20 she's got. Besides the mental health one (still totally unqualified!!!) she visits a small handful of others once in a millennium and others we don't know at all. But she's a mom so we got to cut her slack  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #265 on: May 15, 2019, 10:36:57 PM »

Kate has 20 patronages?  Shocked

I can barely name five of them. She needs to start working on the 20 she's got. Besides the mental health one (still totally unqualified!!!) she visits a small handful of others once in a millennium and others we don't know at all. But she's a mom so we got to cut her slack  Roll Eyes
She did so much better in the past. 2011-2013.
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« Reply #266 on: May 15, 2019, 11:28:33 PM »

Kate has 20 patronages?  Shocked

I can barely name five of them. She needs to start working on the 20 she's got. Besides the mental health one (still totally unqualified!!!) she visits a small handful of others once in a millennium and others we don't know at all. But she's a mom so we got to cut her slack  Roll Eyes
She did so much better in the past. 2011-2013.
She also wasn't a parent then for the most part (with George being born in 2013)
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« Reply #267 on: May 15, 2019, 11:40:04 PM »

Perdie should have all the stars.  Star The arrogance and reliance on their popularity through their mother won't last and in their own generations, it is not. It won't provide a lasting connection with the monarchy at all if they think meeting people and doing the sorts of engagements Charles and Anne do regularly is just not fun or glamorous enough for their desire for publicity and popularity.
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« Reply #268 on: May 16, 2019, 12:08:00 AM »

Perdie should have all the stars.  Star The arrogance and reliance on their popularity through their mother won't last and in their own generations, it is not. It won't provide a lasting connection with the monarchy at all if they think meeting people and doing the sorts of engagements Charles and Anne do regularly is just not fun or glamorous enough for their desire for publicity and popularity.

I think for the press Charles and Anne are just not glamourous enough.
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« Reply #269 on: May 16, 2019, 12:19:30 AM »

Perdie should have all the stars.  Star The arrogance and reliance on their popularity through their mother won't last and in their own generations, it is not. It won't provide a lasting connection with the monarchy at all if they think meeting people and doing the sorts of engagements Charles and Anne do regularly is just not fun or glamorous enough for their desire for publicity and popularity.

I think for the press Charles and Anne are just not glamourous enough.

I think thatís it K  Star

 Charles and Anne are both quirky and interesting, but not in an overt way.  Publicly they just put their heads down and get on with it for the most part. No drama equals no headlines equals no interest. William and Harry provide drama through petulance, and interest through their matrilineal heritage.
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