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« Reply #1140 on: July 19, 2019, 05:35:14 PM »

 I see Sussex Royal sheets and towels, cookware, garden furniture.....

I can see that too, in one word TACKY!  How can they get away with this?   Is the BRF so irrelevant they paste their name all over merchandise?
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« Reply #1141 on: July 19, 2019, 05:40:52 PM »

I think Sussex Royal will copy Duchy Originals, but go far beyond marmalade.  I see Sussex Royal sheets and towels, cookware, garden furniture......

Duchy Originals was set up to help small and medium size organic producers. All Duchy Original profits go to charities.

Sussex Originals - set up for and all profits to H&M.
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« Reply #1142 on: July 19, 2019, 06:59:46 PM »

Some background info about companies limited by guarantee in the UK:
https://www.gov.uk/limited-company-formation
https://www.1stformations...any-limited-by-guarantee/

So far sounds OK to me.

Thank you for these links. I wish I had more time to dig into this and to compare a "company limited by guarantee" and a "charity". On the gov.uk page, there is also info on setting up a the charity. The first question you have to ask yourself, apparently, is "Check if setting up a charity is right for you"  Grin I guess Harry and Meghan had reasons to opt for a company instead of a charity.

https://www.gov.uk/settin...ity/register-your-charity


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Check charity restrictions

Check that being a charity will not stop you doing things you want to do.

For example:

- you need to follow charity law and give up to date information on your work and finances
- charities cannot carry out certain political activities, like campaigning for a change in government
- you must make independent decisions about your own work if you plan to work with others
- trustees, anyone connected to them, or the founder, cannot receive personal benefit unless it is ‘incidental’ and you make independent decisions on personal benefit and 
- properly manage conflicts of interest

I would be curious to learn how the finances work. Do companies by guarantee need to give "up to date information on their work and finances"? How transparent are finances overall in the company set-up?

Properly managing conflicts of interest - that's an interesting criterion (in the current circumstances)

Setting up and running a charity seems a lot more complex than setting up a simple "company". Charities seem more strictly supervised by an authority and are requested to make public certain information.
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« Reply #1143 on: July 19, 2019, 07:05:59 PM »

I think Sussex Royal will copy Duchy Originals, but go far beyond marmalade.  I see Sussex Royal sheets and towels, cookware, garden furniture......

Possibly.
Someone posted this on Twitter- no idea whether it's genuine, but if it is, then they have applied for the trademark also in class 25:




Additional info on the other classes (taken from www.trademark.eu):
Class 16 includes mainly paper, goods made from that material and office requisites,

Class 35 includes mainly services rendered by persons or organizations principally with the object of:
(1) help in the working or management of a commercial undertaking, or
(2) help in the management of the business affairs or commercial functions of an industrial or commercial enterprises

Class 36 includes mainly services rendered in financial and monetary affairs and services rendered in relation to insurance contracts of all kinds.

Class 41 covers mainly services rendered by persons or institutions in the development of the mental faculties of persons or animals, as well as services intended to entertain or to engage the attention and

Class 45 personal and social services rendered by others to meet the needs of individuals; security services for the protection of property and individuals; legal services


I could see the wish and/or need for their Foundation to have a Registered Trademark for Classes 35, 41 and 45 - let's hope they do 16, 25 and 36 only to avoid that OTHERS could register "their" trademark in these classes and misuse it.

But only time will tell.
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« Reply #1144 on: July 19, 2019, 07:44:32 PM »


I've tried to follow/figure out what these two are doing/up to but I'm either  Nerves or  Crazy.

At this point, if their activities are legal according to UK laws then I'll wait.   Thinking Snore
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« Reply #1145 on: July 19, 2019, 10:28:17 PM »

Did the Game of Thrones authors come up with that name?  That was my first idea...

 Star Laugh bounce Laugh bounce Laugh bounce Total spit take over here. 
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« Reply #1146 on: July 21, 2019, 01:08:28 AM »

Billy Eichner Reveals What He & Meghan Markle Talked About At 'Lion King' Premiere
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Billy Eichner got the chance to meet Duchess Meghan Markle and her husband Prince Harry at The Lion King premiere in London, England on Sunday (July 14).
It all started when a fan posted a video of Billy at the premiere, privately telling his co-star Seth Rogen how he was going to greet the royal couple.
“OMG Here I am completely freaking out to @Sethrogen about how I’m going to greet Prince Harry and Meghan I’M CRYING,” Billy tweeted.
“BTW they were both super down to earth and lovely and Meghan and I talked about our @NorthwesternU acting teachers (shout out to Mary Poole and David Downs!)”
http://www.justjared.com/...ut-at-lion-king-premiere/

The 'Lion King' Stars Were Given These Royal Protocol Rules Ahead of Meeting Prince Harry & Meghan Markle!

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Billy Eichner and Seth Rogen dished on the royal protocol rules they were given ahead of meeting Prince Harry and Duchess Meghan Markle at the premiere of their film, The Lion King.
“You’re given a lot of protocol to follow which is unusual,” Seth said while making an appearance on UK’s This Morning. “Respect their personal space. They’re the only people I’ve met who come with protocol so that was interesting. And then I think what we were trying to gauge is how many people were following the protocol and how strict the protocol is.”
“I assume you get put in the Tower Of London if it all goes wrong. I’ve got to think of the repercussions. I’d like to come back here one day,” he added.
Billy then added, “Like Seth said, they tell you you’re supposed to say your Royal Highness, you can’t speak until your hands are locked together in a handshake and all these crazy things, and I didn’t know how much you were supposed to follow that so I started panicking. We were watching what our friend Keegan (Keegan-Michael Key) did and he did none of the protocol either and just kind of nodded his head, then it all fell apart.
http://www.justjared.com/...ince-harry-meghan-markle/
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« Reply #1147 on: July 21, 2019, 02:08:51 AM »


I've tried to follow/figure out what these two are doing/up to but I'm either  Nerves or  Crazy.

At this point, if their activities are legal according to UK laws then I'll wait.   Thinking Snore

Good idea.  So far all we know is they have set up a company limited by guarantee which is a model often used for not-for-profit activities, and it can be registered as a charity.  Details about how it is intended that the company will operate will be set out in its articles of association, which are a public document and can be inspected at Companies House.  So when they are lodged any one of us who wants to can go along and have a look.  Only then will we know what will happen to its profits.
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« Reply #1148 on: July 21, 2019, 03:34:07 AM »

Lazy Sunday morning here so I just did a trademark search and the result confirms the info. in the tweet copied above by Kaiser. However the actual details of the classes is a little different.  Here is the World Intellectual Property Organization's web page which lists the classes that the UK trademarks office uses, with detailed explanations: https://www.wipo.int/clas...e/nclpub/en/fr/home.xhtml

Anyone can do a trademark search here: https://trademarks.ipo.gov.uk/ipo-tmtext  

Here is the result you get for Harry & Meghan's gig, which is interesting as they also applied in the name of Sussex Royal: https://trademarks.ipo.go...k/ipo-tmtext/page/Results
They applied in classes 16, 25, 35, 36, 41, and 45.  It is of interest to note the classes which Willie & Kate's foundation now has registered, which are the same as the classes the RF of the D&D of C and Prince Harry had registered before the split: https://trademarks.ipo.go...k/ipo-tmtext/page/Results   Harry & Meghan's new application is for those same classes, plus 2 more:  16 and 35, but there's nothing sinister in there.  And the fact that a class description embraces a wide range of items/activities does not mean that providing those goods or services is compulsory.  I strongly doubt that William & Kate or Meghan & Harry are going to start providing social escort services, matrimonial agencies or funeral services, all included within the ambit of Class 45, so I don't think we should read too much into the extent of the class ambit information (although that might be a handy class for their uncle Andrew to look at).

Time will tell.

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« Reply #1149 on: July 21, 2019, 05:44:03 AM »

I think that the major issue for the 'old' royal foundation is how to divide the assets (cash/stocks/receivables/fixtures/equipment/inventory) and the liabilities (payroll/insurance/pension/notes/rent/payables) and the income received for the now split projects (wildlife/conservation/military/children/mental health).

Without good accounting advice, Harry's division of assets from the Royal Foundation could be reduced and leave the new foundation without the income produced by the investments made when only he and Will were the principals. There was income  to the foundation from both weddings and when each wife came aboard charities were added and funds expended. My guess is that funds were expended for Will's wife's charities out of proportion to the income received from their wedding donations/gifts and Harry went along just because he wouldn't want to rock the boat.

As  much as I'd like to think Will would be considerate of that, I think Harry's share of the funds will be less than he should receive because it would cut into Will's plans for 'his' charities and projects. I think the trade-mark applications and set-up of the new foundation initially is staking a claim to those charities that are solely Harry's to differencient H&M's charitable interests from what has been prior to the separation from the 4-person foundation.

This may also be a tax consideration for Harry's wife. If she puts her income into the foundation, there may be tax advantages to doing so in both countries that can tax her income. Countries want to tax their ex-pats as well as their citizens so it is an asset-preserving strategy. Would you like to pay taxes in two countries on your income when you no longer live in one of the countries? Most people don't want to. The reasons for establishing this foundation in this order (foundation before charity org) may be done to preserve assets. That is something that all of us know about.

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« Reply #1150 on: July 24, 2019, 06:05:05 PM »

Does it bother anyone else that Harry never took any paternity leave? I know they don't have regular jobs but its seems that he should have to normalize taking paternity leave. I'm seeing sugars bragging about him still working right after Archie was born. I just don't get why they seem so against proper maternity and paternity leave.
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« Reply #1151 on: July 24, 2019, 06:15:24 PM »

Does it bother anyone else that Harry never took any paternity leave? I know they don't have regular jobs but its seems that he should have to normalize taking paternity leave. I'm seeing sugars bragging about him still working right after Archie was born. I just don't get why they seem so against proper maternity and paternity leave.

For what would Harry need a paternity leave? He doesn't do anything anyway.

But I can see your point.

And to answer your last question: Because they're so special.
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« Reply #1152 on: July 24, 2019, 06:44:05 PM »

I seem to recall there being stories about this in Feb/March that he was going to take like three weeks or something. But hell, as an article in the Telegraph (or Independent?) pointed out recently, his wife is/isnt on maternity leave (depending on the event).
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« Reply #1153 on: July 24, 2019, 07:18:55 PM »

Does it bother anyone else that Harry never took any paternity leave? I know they don't have regular jobs but its seems that he should have to normalize taking paternity leave. I'm seeing sugars bragging about him still working right after Archie was born. I just don't get why they seem so against proper maternity and paternity leave.

In my opinion, the idea of "proper" maternity and paternity leave (as granted to the workforce by law) is that new mothers and fathers can take good care of their (newborn) babies and toddlers, until they are old enough to visit kindergarden.
No idea what the legal leave is in UK, but in Germany it's a (social security) paid absence from work for up to three years. Mother/father can divide this time between them, or only one of them can take the full term. Employers have to keep the (or at least a comparable) job free for the mother/father when she/he returns after the leave.

So while there might be a need that Imelda takes some months off from her "duties" because she is nursing (if she would only take the time off and not show up to the fun stuff to stir the PR wheel), I do not see any need that Harry takes time off. With about one engagement per week which requires absence for hours only, there is plenty of time left for him to be at home with the baby.
Plus Imelda, contrary to the Jane Doe mother, has help around her (nanny, if the next is not already on the run, too, most probably a maid also).
They have private secretaries for their correspondence and staff to take care of their schedules.

Harry is BY FAR not the right person to "normalize" the fact that also fathers should go for paternity leave without problems.
It is right that the father going on leave has still a social stigma (which is why fathers in Germany mostly take only 1 to 2 months, as this is the max. employers "accept" without sideeying the guy's interest in a career), but the last person to promote paternity leave is a prince who doesn't work anyhow.

For the same reason I did not understand why Imelda's PR bragged about her "planning to take the shortest leave ever, back to her duties after latest 3 months".
LOL, which duties?
Every day she stays home saves Charles about 5,000 to 7,500 USD expenditure and the public some unpleasant sight.
She has shown us that nothing prevents her from going to Wimbledon, the BP balcony or a movie premiere. How these outings differ from her visiting a charity for 30 mins once a week escapes me.
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« Reply #1154 on: July 24, 2019, 07:39:32 PM »

Does it bother anyone else that Harry never took any paternity leave? I know they don't have regular jobs but its seems that he should have to normalize taking paternity leave. I'm seeing sugars bragging about him still working right after Archie was born. I just don't get why they seem so against proper maternity and paternity leave.

In my opinion, the idea of "proper" maternity and paternity leave (as granted to the workforce by law) is that new mothers and fathers can take good care of their (newborn) babies and toddlers, until they are old enough to visit kindergarden.
No idea what the legal leave is in UK, but in Germany it's a (social security) paid absence from work for up to three years. Mother/father can divide this time between them, or only one of them can take the full term. Employers have to keep the (or at least a comparable) job free for the mother/father when she/he returns after the leave.

So while there might be a need that Imelda takes some months off from her "duties" because she is nursing (if she would only take the time off and not show up to the fun stuff to stir the PR wheel), I do not see any need that Harry takes time off. With about one engagement per week which requires absence for hours only, there is plenty of time left for him to be at home with the baby.
Plus Imelda, contrary to the Jane Doe mother, has help around her (nanny, if the next is not already on the run, too, most probably a maid also).
They have private secretaries for their correspondence and staff to take care of their schedules.

Harry is BY FAR not the right person to "normalize" the fact that also fathers should go for paternity leave without problems.
It is right that the father going on leave has still a social stigma (which is why fathers in Germany mostly take only 1 to 2 months, as this is the max. employers "accept" without sideeying the guy's interest in a career), but the last person to promote paternity leave is a prince who doesn't work anyhow.

For the same reason I did not understand why Imelda's PR bragged about her "planning to take the shortest leave ever, back to her duties after latest 3 months".
LOL, which duties?
Every day she stays home saves Charles about 5,000 to 7,500 USD expenditure and the public some unpleasant sight.
She has shown us that nothing prevents her from going to Wimbledon, the BP balcony or a movie premiere. How these outings differ from her visiting a charity for 30 mins once a week escapes me.

Whoa. My company gives mothers 3 weeks (and a c-section recovery is 6 weeks). Go America  Crazy
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