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« Reply #1230 on: July 29, 2019, 03:45:17 AM »

Interestingly, they are repeating the Queens Castle this afternoon, the documentary on life at Windsor. The people who live on the estate not only work for the royals, they adore the royals. That 'briefing' must have been such a slap in the face for all those loyal retainers.

And it's tempting to blame Meghan but, arguably, she's still adjusting to royal life (I'm trying to be generous here) but Harry? This has always been his life. What's wrong with the guy?

Honestly FC, I think he's always been this way, he was just good at hiding it when he was young or people were good at ignoring it and thinking he was just a rascal and not seeing that he was really an entitled twit with an arrogant streak a mile wide. Imelda is just the catalyst for the change, she didn't create this version of Harry, she just opened our eyes to it.


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Harry has ALWAYS been like this and on multiple occasions we did see it. Except when we did see it people:

1. ignored it and let it slide, turned a blind eye
2. claimed it was made up by the press
3. believed it was the palace throwing Harry under the bus because William did something wrong and they wanted to take attention off of him so Harry was the sacrificial lamb
4. Harry simply following William's lead and shifting all the blame onto William

I think despite everything we have seen in the last year and a half people are still having a hard time reconciling the fact that he isn't what the PR said he was and that everybody was fooled. It makes people feel foolish and sad that they were conned so they keep clinging to the PR shit.

Back then it was easy to slide the blame onto William because William is an uptight prick and Harry so easy going and natural. And now its Meghan's job to take the blame because she's clearly a trashy social climbing user and people still want to believe in "good Prince Harry." That's not to say William and Meghan are blame free, cause they aren't, but it's a lot easier to shift it onto them because they aren't as good at hiding their faults as he is. He is as bad as they are and in many cases far worse.       
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« Reply #1231 on: July 29, 2019, 04:48:28 AM »

Interestingly, they are repeating the Queens Castle this afternoon, the documentary on life at Windsor. The people who live on the estate not only work for the royals, they adore the royals. That 'briefing' must have been such a slap in the face for all those loyal retainers.

And it's tempting to blame Meghan but, arguably, she's still adjusting to royal life (I'm trying to be generous here) but Harry? This has always been his life. What's wrong with the guy?

Honestly FC, I think he's always been this way, he was just good at hiding it when he was young or people were good at ignoring it and thinking he was just a rascal and not seeing that he was really an entitled twit with an arrogant streak a mile wide. Imelda is just the catalyst for the change, she didn't create this version of Harry, she just opened our eyes to it.


Exactly!  Thumb up

Harry has ALWAYS been like this and on multiple occasions we did see it. Except when we did see it people:

1. ignored it and let it slide, turned a blind eye
2. claimed it was made up by the press
3. believed it was the palace throwing Harry under the bus because William did something wrong and they wanted to take attention off of him so Harry was the sacrificial lamb
4. Harry simply following William's lead and shifting all the blame onto William

I think despite everything we have seen in the last year and a half people are still having a hard time reconciling the fact that he isn't what the PR said he was and that everybody was fooled. It makes people feel foolish and sad that they were conned so they keep clinging to the PR shit.

Back then it was easy to slide the blame onto William because William is an uptight prick and Harry so easy going and natural. And now its Meghan's job to take the blame because she's clearly a trashy social climbing user and people still want to believe in "good Prince Harry." That's not to say William and Meghan are blame free, cause they aren't, but it's a lot easier to shift it onto them because they aren't as good at hiding their faults as he is. He is as bad as they are and in many cases far worse.       


Amen. Totally agree.
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« Reply #1232 on: July 29, 2019, 08:53:56 AM »

I will admit, I quickly scanned down the cover to see if Amal Clooney was listed..

What is the average age of the British Vogue reader? I mean, Jane Fonda? Most people under the age of 50 (sorry ladies!) will know of her from her workout videos, or some of her movies. And anyone over that age is either not buying this magazine or loathes her to this day for that stunt she pulled in Vietnam. Most under 30 will have never heard of her. Is she the token older woman in this tableau?

Quite a few are from money/family connections -yes, even Greta T (her mother is a Swedish celebrity of a fashion and it was her parents and her upbringing against flying emissions, its not like she woke up one day and had flygskram).

What I would have preferred to read about is stories of women thinking global but acting local, with their energy and the resources at their disposal, to make a change. Even better would have been something like an older, perhaps more known woman who did something similar acting as a mentor for a younger woman and their experience working together on a project. Sure some of these women are inspiring, but its somewhat superficial - if I don't have a supermodel past, a rich French husband, a strong social media presence, does that mean I can't do anything? Sorry, remembered I am commenting on a fashion magazine article.

Finally, I agree, this feels like an American Vogue cover, but i have no idea how commissioning works between the two, and I imagine there was some sort of propriety taken into account here to ensure a UK princess was on the UK cover.

This was an opportunity for Megz to expand her networking connections. That's all.
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« Reply #1233 on: July 29, 2019, 08:57:46 AM »

I will admit, I quickly scanned down the cover to see if Amal Clooney was listed..

What is the average age of the British Vogue reader? I mean, Jane Fonda? Most people under the age of 50 (sorry ladies!) will know of her from her workout videos, or some of her movies. And anyone over that age is either not buying this magazine or loathes her to this day for that stunt she pulled in Vietnam. Most under 30 will have never heard of her. Is she the token older woman in this tableau?

Quite a few are from money/family connections -yes, even Greta T (her mother is a Swedish celebrity of a fashion and it was her parents and her upbringing against flying emissions, its not like she woke up one day and had flygskram).

What I would have preferred to read about is stories of women thinking global but acting local, with their energy and the resources at their disposal, to make a change. Even better would have been something like an older, perhaps more known woman who did something similar acting as a mentor for a younger woman and their experience working together on a project. Sure some of these women are inspiring, but its somewhat superficial - if I don't have a supermodel past, a rich French husband, a strong social media presence, does that mean I can't do anything? Sorry, remembered I am commenting on a fashion magazine article.

Finally, I agree, this feels like an American Vogue cover, but i have no idea how commissioning works between the two, and I imagine there was some sort of propriety taken into account here to ensure a UK princess was on the UK cover.

This was an opportunity for Megz to expand her networking connections. That's all.

Im waiting for Gayle King or Oprah to have them on their shows ....
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« Reply #1235 on: July 29, 2019, 11:13:20 AM »



Wow he has gained 20 years since he married 😂 The Windsor genes are bad news
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« Reply #1236 on: July 29, 2019, 12:11:57 PM »



Wow that's embarrassing. Wow.
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« Reply #1237 on: July 29, 2019, 12:45:58 PM »

I think that front cover is very messy, they should have done a group photo.




Could it be because it's based on a book she posed in (and wasn't too shy about being on the cover for) in 2016 - the year she started dating Harry


Meghan Markle Accused of Ripping Off Vogue Cover from Book She Helped Produce: "It's Very Disappointing"
https://www.cosmopolitan....-vogue-cover-accusations/
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« Reply #1238 on: July 29, 2019, 12:54:25 PM »

I will admit, I quickly scanned down the cover to see if Amal Clooney was listed..

What is the average age of the British Vogue reader? I mean, Jane Fonda? Most people under the age of 50 (sorry ladies!) will know of her from her workout videos, or some of her movies. And anyone over that age is either not buying this magazine or loathes her to this day for that stunt she pulled in Vietnam. Most under 30 will have never heard of her. Is she the token older woman in this tableau?

Quite a few are from money/family connections -yes, even Greta T (her mother is a Swedish celebrity of a fashion and it was her parents and her upbringing against flying emissions, its not like she woke up one day and had flygskram).

What I would have preferred to read about is stories of women thinking global but acting local, with their energy and the resources at their disposal, to make a change. Even better would have been something like an older, perhaps more known woman who did something similar acting as a mentor for a younger woman and their experience working together on a project. Sure some of these women are inspiring, but its somewhat superficial - if I don't have a supermodel past, a rich French husband, a strong social media presence, does that mean I can't do anything? Sorry, remembered I am commenting on a fashion magazine article.

Finally, I agree, this feels like an American Vogue cover, but i have no idea how commissioning works between the two, and I imagine there was some sort of propriety taken into account here to ensure a UK princess was on the UK cover.

This was an opportunity for Megz to expand her networking connections. That's all.

Good Post!

I would think that VOGUE, which is mainly a catalogue of luxury brand ads sprinkled with fashion "articles" showing frocks 95% of all women cannot wear (because of either: own figure, own wallet content or lack of venue to parade in such ridiculous fashion or alltogether) is the absolutely wrong publication to raise awareness for whatever charitable cause.

Then, I am of the opinion that the 15 women chosen are far from being role models - because the average Jane Doe cannot identify with their life.

What I would have done is the following:
chose 15 women who do work (for a living or voluntarily) for one of the charities Sussex and or the BRF are supporting.

That would have been 15 Jane Does - as normal as they are, aged between 20 and 65, married, student, single, mother, grandmother, chubby or slender, beautiful or ugly, UK-born or immigrant - just normal, average people.
I would have portrayed their work, their aspirations, their dreams, their hopes and their aims - and their contibution to the big picture, their reasons why they have decided to work there.

THAT is what people can identify with. THAT is what makes, imho, people say: "Oh look! I could imagine to do this as well".
Because we all do not work on the big scale, we don't have a millionaire husband who might pass over some grands.
We work on the small scale.
But as there are like millions of women working on the small scale world-wide, those millions have more impact that a Sussex IG post can ever have. Without these millions of women working at charitable organisations (either paid or voluntarily), these organisations would be nothing.
And THEY never get a platform like VOGUE or even a thank you.

But for sure, these women don't hang around in Gucci, and God forbid that Vogue shows someone wearing H&M or Boden or Pimkie ...
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« Reply #1239 on: July 29, 2019, 01:06:58 PM »

I will admit, I quickly scanned down the cover to see if Amal Clooney was listed..

What is the average age of the British Vogue reader? I mean, Jane Fonda? Most people under the age of 50 (sorry ladies!) will know of her from her workout videos, or some of her movies. And anyone over that age is either not buying this magazine or loathes her to this day for that stunt she pulled in Vietnam. Most under 30 will have never heard of her. Is she the token older woman in this tableau?

Quite a few are from money/family connections -yes, even Greta T (her mother is a Swedish celebrity of a fashion and it was her parents and her upbringing against flying emissions, its not like she woke up one day and had flygskram).

What I would have preferred to read about is stories of women thinking global but acting local, with their energy and the resources at their disposal, to make a change. Even better would have been something like an older, perhaps more known woman who did something similar acting as a mentor for a younger woman and their experience working together on a project. Sure some of these women are inspiring, but its somewhat superficial - if I don't have a supermodel past, a rich French husband, a strong social media presence, does that mean I can't do anything? Sorry, remembered I am commenting on a fashion magazine article.

Finally, I agree, this feels like an American Vogue cover, but i have no idea how commissioning works between the two, and I imagine there was some sort of propriety taken into account here to ensure a UK princess was on the UK cover.

This was an opportunity for Megz to expand her networking connections. That's all.

Good Post!

I would think that VOGUE, which is mainly a catalogue of luxury brand ads sprinkled with fashion "articles" showing frocks 95% of all women cannot wear (because of either: own figure, own wallet content or lack of venue to parade in such ridiculous fashion or alltogether) is the absolutely wrong publication to raise awareness for whatever charitable cause.

Then, I am of the opinion that the 15 women chosen are far from being role models - because the average Jane Doe cannot identify with their life.

What I would have done is the following:
chose 15 women who do work (for a living or voluntarily) for one of the charities Sussex and or the BRF are supporting.

That would have been 15 Jane Does - as normal as they are, aged between 20 and 65, married, student, single, mother, grandmother, chubby or slender, beautiful or ugly, UK-born or immigrant - just normal, average people.
I would have portrayed their work, their aspirations, their dreams, their hopes and their aims - and their contibution to the big picture, their reasons why they have decided to work there.

THAT is what people can identify with. THAT is what makes, imho, people say: "Oh look! I could imagine to do this as well".
Because we all do not work on the big scale, we don't have a millionaire husband who might pass over some grands.
We work on the small scale.
But as there are like millions of women working on the small scale world-wide, those millions have more impact that a Sussex IG post can ever have. Without these millions of women working at charitable organisations (either paid or voluntarily), these organisations would be nothing.
And THEY never get a platform like VOGUE or even a thank you.

But for sure, these women don't hang around in Gucci, and God forbid that Vogue shows someone wearing H&M or Boden or Pimkie ...


Kaiserin, this is just perfect!  Star that would have certainly highlighted that everyone contributes and can contribute to the community by doing what these normal women you described do on a daily basis. I doubt Meghan can even think of this - her 'humanitarian' work prior to marriage and whatever she has done since just proves that she 1. doesn't understand how difference is made in society, 2. doesn't want to learn from people who actually know. For her, it's all glam and clicks and Hollyweird, not substance and commitment to betterment of the world.
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« Reply #1240 on: July 29, 2019, 01:19:47 PM »

I will admit, I quickly scanned down the cover to see if Amal Clooney was listed..

What is the average age of the British Vogue reader? I mean, Jane Fonda? Most people under the age of 50 (sorry ladies!) will know of her from her workout videos, or some of her movies. And anyone over that age is either not buying this magazine or loathes her to this day for that stunt she pulled in Vietnam. Most under 30 will have never heard of her. Is she the token older woman in this tableau?

Quite a few are from money/family connections -yes, even Greta T (her mother is a Swedish celebrity of a fashion and it was her parents and her upbringing against flying emissions, its not like she woke up one day and had flygskram).

What I would have preferred to read about is stories of women thinking global but acting local, with their energy and the resources at their disposal, to make a change. Even better would have been something like an older, perhaps more known woman who did something similar acting as a mentor for a younger woman and their experience working together on a project. Sure some of these women are inspiring, but its somewhat superficial - if I don't have a supermodel past, a rich French husband, a strong social media presence, does that mean I can't do anything? Sorry, remembered I am commenting on a fashion magazine article.

Finally, I agree, this feels like an American Vogue cover, but i have no idea how commissioning works between the two, and I imagine there was some sort of propriety taken into account here to ensure a UK princess was on the UK cover.

This was an opportunity for Megz to expand her networking connections. That's all.

Good Post!

I would think that VOGUE, which is mainly a catalogue of luxury brand ads sprinkled with fashion "articles" showing frocks 95% of all women cannot wear (because of either: own figure, own wallet content or lack of venue to parade in such ridiculous fashion or alltogether) is the absolutely wrong publication to raise awareness for whatever charitable cause.

Then, I am of the opinion that the 15 women chosen are far from being role models - because the average Jane Doe cannot identify with their life.

What I would have done is the following:
chose 15 women who do work (for a living or voluntarily) for one of the charities Sussex and or the BRF are supporting.

That would have been 15 Jane Does - as normal as they are, aged between 20 and 65, married, student, single, mother, grandmother, chubby or slender, beautiful or ugly, UK-born or immigrant - just normal, average people.
I would have portrayed their work, their aspirations, their dreams, their hopes and their aims - and their contibution to the big picture, their reasons why they have decided to work there.

THAT is what people can identify with. THAT is what makes, imho, people say: "Oh look! I could imagine to do this as well".
Because we all do not work on the big scale, we don't have a millionaire husband who might pass over some grands.
We work on the small scale.
But as there are like millions of women working on the small scale world-wide, those millions have more impact that a Sussex IG post can ever have. Without these millions of women working at charitable organisations (either paid or voluntarily), these organisations would be nothing.
And THEY never get a platform like VOGUE or even a thank you.

But for sure, these women don't hang around in Gucci, and God forbid that Vogue shows someone wearing H&M or Boden or Pimkie ...


Kaiserin, this is just perfect!  Star that would have certainly highlighted that everyone contributes and can contribute to the community by doing what these normal women you described do on a daily basis. I doubt Meghan can even think of this - her 'humanitarian' work prior to marriage and whatever she has done since just proves that she 1. doesn't understand how difference is made in society, 2. doesn't want to learn from people who actually know. For her, it's all glam and clicks and Hollyweird, not substance and commitment to betterment of the world.


That is what I appreciate in the so called 'Appeltjes van Oranje' , which are annually awarded by the Dutch Royal Foundation: Oranjefonds.

The Appeltje van Oranje is an annual prize awarded by the Oranje Fonds to three special, innovative or successful projects in the field of social welfare and social cohesion. Every year the so-called 'Appeltjes van Oranje' is handed out by the patroness princess Máxima at the Noordeinde Palace to three special, innovative or successful social projects. The prize, consisting of a certificate, a bronze statue made by former Queen Beatrix and an amount of € 15,000, is intended as an appreciation for the work and commitment of organizations behind the winning projects and also as an example for others to start similar projects.

The Oranje Fonds is a Dutch foundation in Utrecht that provides financial resources to foundations and associations to strengthen the social side of society. The fund was established in 2002 and was the national wedding gift to then Prince Willem-Alexander and Princess Máxima. In the same year, the fund merged with the Juliana Welfare Fund, which was established in 1948. The Oranje Fonds is the largest Dutch social fund.

King Willem-Alexander and Queen Máxima are patrons of the Oranje Fonds. They are both, but also family members,  active participants in activities and projects of the Oranje Fonds.

The slogan of the Oranje Fonds is "The Oranje Fonds brings us together". The Oranje Fonds supports promising initiatives and activities that promote that people can (continue to) survive independently and continue to participate in society. To this end, donations are given to community centers, youth centers and elderly societies, sheltered homes and projects for assisted living, voluntary emergency services, home care, informal care and meal facilities for the elderly, institutions for addiction care and care for the homeless, playgroups and play-o-mark, self-organizations of for example the elderly, ethnic minorities, women and homosexuals, as well as probation and social advice and information work.

The Oranje Fonds does not apply any political or religious criteria when awarding decisions. There are, however, large areas for which applications are not accepted, such as sports, art and culture, housing, the environment, education, development cooperation, refugee aid, health care and personal assistance.

The budget of the Oranje Fonds comes largely from the proceeds of the Nationale Postcode Loterij (National Postal code lottery) and De Lotto. The rest comes from donations from individuals and companies.

Also includes projects such as 'Burendag' (= neighbour day);  'NL Doet/BON Doet' (NL does/ Bonaire does) & "Kinderen Maken Muziek" (= children making music).

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« Reply #1241 on: July 29, 2019, 01:37:04 PM »

Just been listening to Bonnie Greer wax lyrical about Meghan's cover on the BBC  Dead Dead Dead
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« Reply #1242 on: July 29, 2019, 01:48:35 PM »

I think that front cover is very messy, they should have done a group photo.




Could it be because it's based on a book she posed in (and wasn't too shy about being on the cover for) in 2016 - the year she started dating Harry


Meghan Markle Accused of Ripping Off Vogue Cover from Book She Helped Produce: "It's Very Disappointing"
https://www.cosmopolitan....-vogue-cover-accusations/

Though I think it’s a bit of a stretch because the idea isn’t new, I can see the similarities - especially since Meghan posed and worked on the book.

Caught a bit of Lorraine this morning and Dan Wootton annihilated Meghan (and to an extent Harry). I think the host was a bit in shock but she didn’t really disagree! He even mentioned the cost of Frogmore, seems he was just effing fed up about them ahaha. He said that he thinks the Queen will think it’s a bad idea as does he and that Vogue is an elites magazine where the cheapest item of clothing is probably around £1,000.
He also said: “I feel I need to bring a bit of reality to the situation. Vogue is probably the most elite expensive snobby fashion-dominated, skinny-dominated magazine in the entire world.

“This is not some great mainstream force for good, this is a magazine for the elite.”

He told the presenter this was not a good use of Meghan’s time, and said: “The fact she has chosen to devote seven months of her work as a duchess to working for Vogue, I think that’s a problem.”
He also brought up what the editor-in-chief of Majesty magazine said: “The Duchess of Sussex has done a huge favour for the House of Conde Nast and rather less for the House of Windsor.”
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« Reply #1243 on: July 29, 2019, 02:20:13 PM »

I will admit, I quickly scanned down the cover to see if Amal Clooney was listed..

What is the average age of the British Vogue reader? I mean, Jane Fonda? Most people under the age of 50 (sorry ladies!) will know of her from her workout videos, or some of her movies. And anyone over that age is either not buying this magazine or loathes her to this day for that stunt she pulled in Vietnam. Most under 30 will have never heard of her. Is she the token older woman in this tableau?

Quite a few are from money/family connections -yes, even Greta T (her mother is a Swedish celebrity of a fashion and it was her parents and her upbringing against flying emissions, its not like she woke up one day and had flygskram).

What I would have preferred to read about is stories of women thinking global but acting local, with their energy and the resources at their disposal, to make a change. Even better would have been something like an older, perhaps more known woman who did something similar acting as a mentor for a younger woman and their experience working together on a project. Sure some of these women are inspiring, but its somewhat superficial - if I don't have a supermodel past, a rich French husband, a strong social media presence, does that mean I can't do anything? Sorry, remembered I am commenting on a fashion magazine article.

Finally, I agree, this feels like an American Vogue cover, but i have no idea how commissioning works between the two, and I imagine there was some sort of propriety taken into account here to ensure a UK princess was on the UK cover.

This was an opportunity for Megz to expand her networking connections. That's all.

Good Post!

I would think that VOGUE, which is mainly a catalogue of luxury brand ads sprinkled with fashion "articles" showing frocks 95% of all women cannot wear (because of either: own figure, own wallet content or lack of venue to parade in such ridiculous fashion or alltogether) is the absolutely wrong publication to raise awareness for whatever charitable cause.

Then, I am of the opinion that the 15 women chosen are far from being role models - because the average Jane Doe cannot identify with their life.

What I would have done is the following:
chose 15 women who do work (for a living or voluntarily) for one of the charities Sussex and or the BRF are supporting.

That would have been 15 Jane Does - as normal as they are, aged between 20 and 65, married, student, single, mother, grandmother, chubby or slender, beautiful or ugly, UK-born or immigrant - just normal, average people.
I would have portrayed their work, their aspirations, their dreams, their hopes and their aims - and their contibution to the big picture, their reasons why they have decided to work there.

THAT is what people can identify with. THAT is what makes, imho, people say: "Oh look! I could imagine to do this as well".
Because we all do not work on the big scale, we don't have a millionaire husband who might pass over some grands.
We work on the small scale.
But as there are like millions of women working on the small scale world-wide, those millions have more impact that a Sussex IG post can ever have. Without these millions of women working at charitable organisations (either paid or voluntarily), these organisations would be nothing.
And THEY never get a platform like VOGUE or even a thank you.

But for sure, these women don't hang around in Gucci, and God forbid that Vogue shows someone wearing H&M or Boden or Pimkie ...


Yes! Exactly what I hoped but didn't expect it to be honestly. Of course it was going to be full of celebrities and well known women. Its great to profile women but would have been better if it was women myself and millions of others could identify with. Ways to make change in your everyday life for the ordinary person.
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« Reply #1244 on: July 29, 2019, 02:48:38 PM »

As several of you have said already, the real kicker here is that none of this is original - while some of the women featured are doing great work that should be applauded, this list could've been put together by any editorial team. It's pretty much a who's who of "female game changers" lists that you see right now. Did she really spend months curating this list, or is it just more celebrities whose shine she wanted a piece of?
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