News and pics of Harry 08/19

[Antevorta]

Oprah:

I asked [Prince Harry] the question, "What do you think are the most important issues facing the world right now?" and he said there are two.

He said climate change and mental wellness, mental fitness and mental health.

As you know, he's spoken about his own issues and what he went through after his mother died and how being able to talk about it has benefited him.

So it's a passion of his and, at the end of the conversation, I said, "Oh, I'm going to be doing this thing with Apple. It's a big concern of mine too and I want to try to erase the stigma," and he said at the end of the conversation, "If there's anything I can do to help."

Harry:

When I did your (Bryony Gordon's) podcast two years ago the response made me realise what an impact sharing my story could have, and what an impact other stories can have for so many who are suffering silently.

If the viewers can relate to the pain and perhaps the experience, then it could save lives, as we will focus on prevention and positive outcomes.

What I have learnt and I continue to learn in the space of mental health, mental illness and self-awareness is that all roads lead back to our mental wellbeing, how we look after ourselves and each other.

The damage that someone like Harry, with his air of superiority and lack of basic understanding of mental illness, could do to the mental health cause, is dangerous.  

I need a drink.

[perdie]

I heard of someone recently who was trying to get access to various local groups - mother and baby, women's, men's, anything really.  Their pitch?  How you can heal anything with positive thinking.  Depression, cancer - any illness, really - and injuries, right the way up to being paralysed.  I thought it downright dangerous.  You never know who has just received a diagnosis and hears this at a vulnerable time.  I have heard other people in different regions talking about local speakers like this too, received with varying degrees of scepticism, so it's obviously in the air at the minute.

Harry reminds me of this person.  They think their own personal response to mental health is the only way to deal with it, and have the gall to think others should listen to them and do the same.  It's quackery, it's dangerous, and it's drowning out real, educated, informed knowledge of mental health.

[Lady Willoughby]

I heard of someone recently who was trying to get access to various local groups - mother and baby, women's, men's, anything really.  Their pitch?  How you can heal anything with positive thinking.  Depression, cancer - any illness, really - and injuries, right the way up to being paralysed.  I thought it downright dangerous.  You never know who has just received a diagnosis and hears this at a vulnerable time.  I have heard other people in different regions talking about local speakers like this too, received with varying degrees of scepticism, so it's obviously in the air at the minute.

Harry reminds me of this person.  They think their own personal response to mental health is the only way to deal with it, and have the gall to think others should listen to them and do the same.  It's quackery, it's dangerous, and it's drowning out real, educated, informed knowledge of mental health.

Nothing makes me more infuriated than the mindfulness-positive thinking people. It is so dangerous to individuals with very real mental health struggles and frankly it’s a toxic message for everyone. “Just be happy” “think your happiness into existence”  Just stop already! Bad days happen and they are valuable to experience.

And you are right. HRH Duchess Hollywood most likely subscribes to that life view. You can see it in the Instagram quote posts.

[fairy]

Yap, it is right up there with "I beat cancer".
It is the idea that you have a real foot in that fight, with either changing your attitude positively, laughing, loving or by going esotheric with crystals, water squeezed out of rocks at new Moon.
Research has shown, that your personal mood has Nothing to add. You neither die early, if you give up, nor live longer if you refuse to give up hope.

Mental Health has two faces: one has been caused by personal traumas like loss, personal attacks both psychological (Mobbing) and physical (eg. rape) or the experience of Horror (like witnessing attacks and/or war).
The symptoms here  can be made better with talking and therapy and we are coming to Terms with accepting that. Like" oh poor you, lets have therapy and you'll be better"
But there is more to mental health:
What about all the different ailments that are chemical imbalances in your brain? What about genetic diseases? What about conditions that come out of nowhere? Depression, anxiety that have no base in a childhood trauma, in tangiable experiences? That hit a young mother way after postpartum depression makes sense. When she has everything she has ever dreamt of? The kids, the husband, the house ...A depression that suddenly drives her off a bridge with her two children strapped in the car seats and a a family that is left devasted, because they had no answers…
We have very little patience ( and financial resources) for people that do not really fit into our cookie cutter system.

[Future Crayon]

Yap, it is right up there with "I beat cancer".
It is the idea that you have a real foot in that fight, with either changing your attitude positively, laughing, loving or by going esotheric with crystals, water squeezed out of rocks at new Moon.
Research has shown, that your personal mood has Nothing to add. You neither die early, if you give up, nor live longer if you refuse to give up hope.

Mental Health has two faces: one has been caused by personal traumas like loss, personal attacks both psychological (Mobbing) and physical (eg. rape) or the experience of Horror (like witnessing attacks and/or war).
The symptoms here  can be made better with talking and therapy and we are coming to Terms with accepting that. Like" oh poor you, lets have therapy and you'll be better"
But there is more to mental health:
What about all the different ailments that are chemical imbalances in your brain? What about genetic diseases? What about conditions that come out of nowhere? Depression, anxiety that have no base in a childhood trauma, in tangiable experiences? That hit a young mother way after postpartum depression makes sense. When she has everything she has ever dreamt of? The kids, the husband, the house ...A depression that suddenly drives her off a bridge with her two children strapped in the car seats and a a family that is left devasted, because they had no answers…
We have very little patience ( and financial resources) for people that do not really fit into our cookie cutter system.

Absolutely. Mindfulness, colouring books and guided breathing might work for people with mild mental health conditions, but they will do absolutely nothing for people with severe and chronic conditions.

I really have very very low expectations for this series and I do worry that it will promote dangerous stereotypes and simplistic solutions. The line about how the positive response to sharing his story was a motivation worries me. The fact that, in contrast to Heads Together (for all its flaws) there seem to be no mental health charities partnered to this project worries me. The idea that removing stigma somehow fixes mental health worries me. The fact that it's led by Harry, a man so completely blind to his own privileges, worries me. The sense that this is yet another glossy shortlived project (fashion! working women! Climate change! Africa! Cookbooks!) worries me.

Honestly, Hazbeen, leave the complex medical and social stuff to your brother or father to deal with and get back to the military causes you used to care about.

[KimmySue]

The more I see of Harry, the more I think Meghan is the perfect partner for him. I think this is the life he always wanted. He wants to be a star and he found the perfect person to help him get there. I don't believe he cares about his previous charities/causes, if he did, he wouldn't have dropped them so fast. I think these were things set up for him to give him something to do and made to look like he was instrumental in starting them. He started showing his true colors well before Meghan was in the picture.

The only thing Harry is concerned about is Harry. And like a lot of self-absorbed egotistical celebrities, he enjoys the sound of his own voice.
I just wish the BRF would cut them off and tell them to go live their celebrity lifestyle on their own dime. They both would soon find out that no one cares about either one of them.

[leatherface]

Remember when POW was publicly flayed when he advocated for homeopathy? I'm not sure if he advocated for it in lieu of medical treatment (I doubt he did, but POW has his stupid moments) or in addition to medical treatment.

I understand why people called him out on this because the NHS already had limited resources and here POW came with no medical degree advocating for a treatment that was not proven to be effective.

POW learnt his lesson and trod more carefully, but his idiot second son has failed to learn from his father's mistake. Hazard just needs to shut up and cut the ribbons.

Yap, it is right up there with "I beat cancer".
It is the idea that you have a real foot in that fight, with either changing your attitude positively, laughing, loving or by going esotheric with crystals, water squeezed out of rocks at new Moon.
Research has shown, that your personal mood has Nothing to add. You neither die early, if you give up, nor live longer if you refuse to give up hope.

Mental Health has two faces: one has been caused by personal traumas like loss, personal attacks both psychological (Mobbing) and physical (eg. rape) or the experience of Horror (like witnessing attacks and/or war).
The symptoms here  can be made better with talking and therapy and we are coming to Terms with accepting that. Like" oh poor you, lets have therapy and you'll be better"
But there is more to mental health:
What about all the different ailments that are chemical imbalances in your brain? What about genetic diseases? What about conditions that come out of nowhere? Depression, anxiety that have no base in a childhood trauma, in tangiable experiences? That hit a young mother way after postpartum depression makes sense. When she has everything she has ever dreamt of? The kids, the husband, the house ...A depression that suddenly drives her off a bridge with her two children strapped in the car seats and a a family that is left devasted, because they had no answers…
We have very little patience ( and financial resources) for people that do not really fit into our cookie cutter system.

Absolutely. Mindfulness, colouring books and guided breathing might work for people with mild mental health conditions, but they will do absolutely nothing for people with severe and chronic conditions.

I really have very very low expectations for this series and I do worry that it will promote dangerous stereotypes and simplistic solutions. The line about how the positive response to sharing his story was a motivation worries me. The fact that, in contrast to Heads Together (for all its flaws) there seem to be no mental health charities partnered to this project worries me. The idea that removing stigma somehow fixes mental health worries me. The fact that it's led by Harry, a man so completely blind to his own privileges, worries me. The sense that this is yet another glossy shortlived project (fashion! working women! Climate change! Africa! Cookbooks!) worries me.

Honestly, Hazbeen, leave the complex medical and social stuff to your brother or father to deal with and get back to the military causes you used to care about.

[Kaiserin]

Professionals who actually WORK with mental health patients have studied the subject for years, have seen thousands of patients, none like the other, and do know that each and every patient needs a tailor made approach to have a chance to come over it (and some don't make it even with professional help!).
That's how it works.
It's a serious topic.

Now enter Apple (!) and Oprah (!) and Handbag (!) - really, what is to be expected here? Less than zero.
Produced with the single aim of the viewing rate.
Stereotypes.
Further celebs whining on how they survived their depression.
Another of these "shine a light on"-things the Sussexes do.
Problem is, they shine so many lights that their virtue signaling might already be called light pollution.
Real solutions remain in the shadows.

[Eliza B]

...
Problem is, they shine so many lights that their virtue signaling might already be called light pollution...

[thecrownjewelthief]

The more I see of Harry, the more I think Meghan is the perfect partner for him. I think this is the life he always wanted. He wants to be a star and he found the perfect person to help him get there. I don't believe he cares about his previous charities/causes, if he did, he wouldn't have dropped them so fast. I think these were things set up for him to give him something to do and made to look like he was instrumental in starting them. He started showing his true colors well before Meghan was in the picture.

The only thing Harry is concerned about is Harry. And like a lot of self-absorbed egotistical celebrities, he enjoys the sound of his own voice.
I just wish the BRF would cut them off and tell them to go live their celebrity lifestyle on their own dime. They both would soon find out that no one cares about either one of them.

I think Harry struggled being in William's shadow and being the party prince more than was maybe obvious, and he found someone who assures him that he is more special and important than his big brother. I think her thirst for fame has really fed his insecurities about being the spare and the black sheep. Since it's not acceptable to kill your brother off for the crown anymore, Harry's going to do anything possible to be cooler and more famous than his brother.

[leatherface]

The more I see of Harry, the more I think Meghan is the perfect partner for him. I think this is the life he always wanted. He wants to be a star and he found the perfect person to help him get there. I don't believe he cares about his previous charities/causes, if he did, he wouldn't have dropped them so fast. I think these were things set up for him to give him something to do and made to look like he was instrumental in starting them. He started showing his true colors well before Meghan was in the picture.

The only thing Harry is concerned about is Harry. And like a lot of self-absorbed egotistical celebrities, he enjoys the sound of his own voice.
I just wish the BRF would cut them off and tell them to go live their celebrity lifestyle on their own dime. They both would soon find out that no one cares about either one of them.

I think Harry struggled being in William's shadow and being the party prince more than was maybe obvious, and he found someone who assures him that he is more special and important than his big brother. I think her thirst for fame has really fed his insecurities about being the spare and the black sheep. Since it's not acceptable to kill your brother off for the crown anymore, Harry's going to do anything possible to be cooler and more famous than his brother.

Harry is just stupid and vain.

History has shown that the younger and more glamourous spare usually becomes the whipping boy when the heir gets crowned. If that doesn't happen, it isn't because the spare is better but because the heir is the problem.

All he has to to is look at dear uncle York, great-aunt Margo and dead uncle ex-King

The greater the hype, the greater the fall.

[TLLK]

I heard of someone recently who was trying to get access to various local groups - mother and baby, women's, men's, anything really.  Their pitch?  How you can heal anything with positive thinking.  Depression, cancer - any illness, really - and injuries, right the way up to being paralysed.  I thought it downright dangerous.  You never know who has just received a diagnosis and hears this at a vulnerable time.  I have heard other people in different regions talking about local speakers like this too, received with varying degrees of scepticism, so it's obviously in the air at the minute.

Harry reminds me of this person.  They think their own personal response to mental health is the only way to deal with it, and have the gall to think others should listen to them and do the same.  It's quackery, it's dangerous, and it's drowning out real, educated, informed knowledge of mental health.

Nothing to do with Harry, but after reading your message I just had a flashback to Tom Cruise's comments on post-natal depression and Brooke Shields coming forward with her own story: nightmare delivery, death of her father, and serious post natal depression.

[Butterbean]

Remember when POW was publicly flayed when he advocated for homeopathy? I'm not sure if he advocated for it in lieu of medical treatment (I doubt he did, but POW has his stupid moments) or in addition to medical treatment.

I understand why people called him out on this because the NHS already had limited resources and here POW came with no medical degree advocating for a treatment that was not proven to be effective.

POW learnt his lesson and trod more carefully, but his idiot second son has failed to learn from his father's mistake. Hazard just needs to shut up and cut the ribbons.

Yap, it is right up there with "I beat cancer".
It is the idea that you have a real foot in that fight, with either changing your attitude positively, laughing, loving or by going esotheric with crystals, water squeezed out of rocks at new Moon.
Research has shown, that your personal mood has Nothing to add. You neither die early, if you give up, nor live longer if you refuse to give up hope.

Mental Health has two faces: one has been caused by personal traumas like loss, personal attacks both psychological (Mobbing) and physical (eg. rape) or the experience of Horror (like witnessing attacks and/or war).
The symptoms here  can be made better with talking and therapy and we are coming to Terms with accepting that. Like" oh poor you, lets have therapy and you'll be better"
But there is more to mental health:
What about all the different ailments that are chemical imbalances in your brain? What about genetic diseases? What about conditions that come out of nowhere? Depression, anxiety that have no base in a childhood trauma, in tangiable experiences? That hit a young mother way after postpartum depression makes sense. When she has everything she has ever dreamt of? The kids, the husband, the house ...A depression that suddenly drives her off a bridge with her two children strapped in the car seats and a a family that is left devasted, because they had no answers…
We have very little patience ( and financial resources) for people that do not really fit into our cookie cutter system.

Absolutely. Mindfulness, colouring books and guided breathing might work for people with mild mental health conditions, but they will do absolutely nothing for people with severe and chronic conditions.

I really have very very low expectations for this series and I do worry that it will promote dangerous stereotypes and simplistic solutions. The line about how the positive response to sharing his story was a motivation worries me. The fact that, in contrast to Heads Together (for all its flaws) there seem to be no mental health charities partnered to this project worries me. The idea that removing stigma somehow fixes mental health worries me. The fact that it's led by Harry, a man so completely blind to his own privileges, worries me. The sense that this is yet another glossy shortlived project (fashion! working women! Climate change! Africa! Cookbooks!) worries me.

Honestly, Hazbeen, leave the complex medical and social stuff to your brother or father to deal with and get back to the military causes you used to care about.

The trouble IMO is that the Sussex's are handing out advice, and assuming that their individual experiences are of generic value to all of us. Their job is to highlight causes through (literally) cutting ribbons - but their "brand" of "shining a light" is to preach and prose and impose..

[Ellie]

My problem with this as my problem with HT is the same thing: they do nothing, say nothing, about anything but mild depression and anxiety. It is all "let's talk" and "smash the stigma" repeatedly, year after year. Like they are all some experts when they say problematic, awful things (all 3 of them) about mental health and how it impacts one's life or one's family. Harry is just continuing the BS. It is all about them and their problems, not working with charities - remember one which begged HT for money when Harry had visited, it was for veterans I believe - and HT just took all the money and used it to develop that texting service and their website, instead of giving to charity. This probably will just like the Schmuxxes' pockets instead.

I think Harry doesn't like being in his brother's shadow - just as William hates Harry having more freedom in his life. They seem to have a really odd relationship even going back as children watching videos of how William threw tantrums if Harry got to do something he didn't, because William was misbehaving. Or how Harry's partying and idiocy got in the press, and William's rarely did.

[Oh_Caroline]

ITA Ellie

Let’s be honest their mental health stuff has yet to actually accomplish anything.  All they’ve done if a bunch a catchy named campaigns, some gardens (which were super cute), and took the credit for Crisis Text Line’s planned UK expansion (ok they provided money and the royal PR bit). 

Nothings been done to address the stigma around the kind of people who can/are suffering from mental health conditions.  Or the stigma surrounding getting true professional help.  Or the lack of access to professional health.  Or just the general limited funding and attention professional health care receives. 

And yet the act like their the best thing mental health awareness has ever seen.  Just shut up already.