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« Reply #345 on: September 19, 2019, 12:34:08 AM »

Yes, exactly - as someone who has suffered with various depressive episodes over the years as well as overwhelming PPD, I wish they would have jumped in more and considered what they would do, but I do not think they or their office at the time really looked into anything. It's trendy and the 'thing,' now, which is good; but I wish they would delve deeper. Not necessarily into services - they can't do that really - but not 'oh my way works best' or whatever when clearly, like Harry, they still have major problems.

This documentary series will give them kick backs and will do very little to advance any real conversation just as HT failed and fails to do so continually IMO. It's frustrating because it is such an important issue but having such shallow depth people involved because they are royal irks me greatly.
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« Reply #346 on: September 19, 2019, 09:07:49 PM »

My husband died when my boys were William and Harry's ages. It was traumatic but certainly didn't make them mental health experts.
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« Reply #347 on: September 19, 2019, 09:15:00 PM »

My husband died when my boys were William and Harry's ages. It was traumatic but certainly didn't make them mental health experts.

I was 17 when my dad died from cancer. I only recently when to talk to someone about it and have a sometimes unhealthy relationship with my mom as a result. Childhood trauma isn't a qualification.
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« Reply #348 on: September 19, 2019, 09:36:22 PM »

My husband died when my boys were William and Harry's ages. It was traumatic but certainly didn't make them mental health experts.


Short of obtaining a degree in the field, the only thing H is qualified to say is “I struggled and am getting help. Please take care of yourself if you find yourself struggling too.”


I was 17 when my dad died from cancer. I only recently when to talk to someone about it and have a sometimes unhealthy relationship with my mom as a result. Childhood trauma isn't a qualification.
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« Reply #349 on: September 19, 2019, 10:02:21 PM »

Childhood Trauma is not a good qualification, but it is a good start to feel empathy. And Harry lacks in that department as well. While we urgently need to get rid of the stigma that effectively ostracizes mental health patients like leprosy, fact is  that we also need to address the problems that seem to ail so many of our young.
Never before had an almost entire generation suffered from problems like anxiety, depression and loneliness, but are they already mental Health patients?
IMO those are  two different fields and need different approaches and different settings.
I don't however see neither HT nor the Sussexes focusing on specific target groups. It is a Mischmasch of everything that is currently somewhere in the news.
Depression and anxiety are not an illness per se, they are often the symptoms of many different problems. Burn out, bore out, mobbing, loss, body issues, low self esteem, too much pressure to conform or do well, too little support, broken families…
They are tossing all this in with PTSD, mental disorders (aspergers, autism, Bipolar...) genetic disorders, birth defects you name it.
Shine a light and take a Vitamin.. and perhaps join a yoga class.   
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« Reply #350 on: September 19, 2019, 11:51:03 PM »

Childhood Trauma is not a good qualification, but it is a good start to feel empathy. And Harry lacks in that department as well. While we urgently need to get rid of the stigma that effectively ostracizes mental health patients like leprosy, fact is  that we also need to address the problems that seem to ail so many of our young.
Never before had an almost entire generation suffered from problems like anxiety, depression and loneliness, but are they already mental Health patients?
IMO those are  two different fields and need different approaches and different settings.
I don't however see neither HT nor the Sussexes focusing on specific target groups. It is a Mischmasch of everything that is currently somewhere in the news.
Depression and anxiety are not an illness per se, they are often the symptoms of many different problems. Burn out, bore out, mobbing, loss, body issues, low self esteem, too much pressure to conform or do well, too little support, broken families…
They are tossing all this in with PTSD, mental disorders (aspergers, autism, Bipolar...) genetic disorders, birth defects you name it.
Shine a light and take a Vitamin.. and perhaps join a yoga class.  


I apologize, but as someone that has four long term mental health "issues", (I'll just lay them out: depression, anxiety, eating disorder and body dysmorphia), I take real issue with not classifying depression and anxiety as a mental illness.  Depression is considered a mood disorder and anxiety itself is a disorder; both of which fall beneath the term "mental illness".  Depression and anxiety symptoms can be worsened by the types of things that you listed but are not necessarily the cause of the illness itself.  

Unfortunately, this is the type of thinking that needs to be eliminated in order to truly create a change in the way mental health is viewed and addressed in today's popular society.  While I respect the need of Harry to speak out in light of his own struggles, telling others that he understands and wants them to ask for help does fuck all.  Mental health seems to be the trendy savior topic of the moment yet as I said before, individuals like Harry and Megs are only causing more damage to the topic than providing actual help to those that suffer with mental illness.  They have an incredible platform where millions of people can hear and read what they say.  The damage that they can cause to mental health initiatives is astounding and incredibly dangerous.  This so-called documentary of Harry's is nothing more than a joke and a way for him to make money off the backs of those who are truly suffering.  He should be ashamed of himself.
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« Reply #351 on: September 20, 2019, 12:46:18 AM »

Childhood Trauma is not a good qualification, but it is a good start to feel empathy. And Harry lacks in that department as well. While we urgently need to get rid of the stigma that effectively ostracizes mental health patients like leprosy, fact is  that we also need to address the problems that seem to ail so many of our young.
Never before had an almost entire generation suffered from problems like anxiety, depression and loneliness, but are they already mental Health patients?
IMO those are  two different fields and need different approaches and different settings.
I don't however see neither HT nor the Sussexes focusing on specific target groups. It is a Mischmasch of everything that is currently somewhere in the news.
Depression and anxiety are not an illness per se, they are often the symptoms of many different problems. Burn out, bore out, mobbing, loss, body issues, low self esteem, too much pressure to conform or do well, too little support, broken families…
They are tossing all this in with PTSD, mental disorders (aspergers, autism, Bipolar...) genetic disorders, birth defects you name it.
Shine a light and take a Vitamin.. and perhaps join a yoga class.  


I apologize, but as someone that has four long term mental health "issues", (I'll just lay them out: depression, anxiety, eating disorder and body dysmorphia), I take real issue with not classifying depression and anxiety as a mental illness.  Depression is considered a mood disorder and anxiety itself is a disorder; both of which fall beneath the term "mental illness".  Depression and anxiety symptoms can be worsened by the types of things that you listed but are not necessarily the cause of the illness itself.  

Unfortunately, this is the type of thinking that needs to be eliminated in order to truly create a change in the way mental health is viewed and addressed in today's popular society.  While I respect the need of Harry to speak out in light of his own struggles, telling others that he understands and wants them to ask for help does fuck all.  Mental health seems to be the trendy savior topic of the moment yet as I said before, individuals like Harry and Megs are only causing more damage to the topic than providing actual help to those that suffer with mental illness.  They have an incredible platform where millions of people can hear and read what they say.  The damage that they can cause to mental health initiatives is astounding and incredibly dangerous.  This so-called documentary of Harry's is nothing more than a joke and a way for him to make money off the backs of those who are truly suffering.  He should be ashamed of himself.

IMO depression definitely is a mental illness.  It, and anxiety, can be caused by lots of different factors and life events, and can vary in intensity, but severe depression is definitely a mental illnesses.  My uncle and father both developed severe depression, for different reasons, at a time when it was hushed up and they were not given appropriate attention.  While they had the condition, the first shot himself in the head, the second took poison.  Thus I lost both my father and my mother's only sibling when I was a young child.  It doesn't make me an expert on the subject but it did give me an interest in the issue.  Clinical depression is an illness and it requires treatment.  It is a different type of illness or disorder from bipolar disorder, autism, psychosis, schizophrenia, antisocial personality disorders, etc., and that is why I got very angry with the Wales boys and Kate started making superficial pronouncements which seemed to lump all mental disorders together.  Talking to your kids and students about mental health and their feelings will not stop them developing severe depression or bipolar disorder in later life.  These are very real medical and social problems and require huge amounts of resources, both financial and personnel, and long-term commitment, to make a difference.  These younger royals don't seem to want to make long-term commitments to causes, just short-term bursts, but this is not something they can fix in a few years.  Draw attention to it, sure, because it still requires more attention and people still seem reluctant to discuss their mental health issues, but please, Cambridges and Sussexes, leave the fixing to the experts.
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« Reply #352 on: September 20, 2019, 01:23:12 AM »

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Changing the conversation on mental health - which they have nattered on about for years yet have done nothing to actually pursue that change - is really what is needed. De-stigmatising having therapy, or being on medication. Being able to speak freely about things as we do here about our own struggles, without being judged. But Harry's documentary and all the rest of the crap that's being peddled by the royals about mental health just makes me ragey. It's admirable to want to help - but it's the cause du jour at the moment and when it is no longer trendy what then. Creating a dialogue about 'have a conversation' is well and good but when you refuse to support charities who say they are struggling even more to offer people their help because of the conversation you created... It is to drop people. It is to say you are only worth my time when you can be useful for my public image. That I will not help the real experts and people on the ground by raising money for them or giving them the attention they need to help as many as possible. Insinuating that people from healthy, supportive homes do not have mental health issues, what about people who do? Are their struggles not valid so we don't listen to them because it's not their experience therefore it doesn't exist? I could go on...
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« Reply #353 on: September 20, 2019, 01:30:42 AM »

Childhood Trauma is not a good qualification, but it is a good start to feel empathy. And Harry lacks in that department as well. While we urgently need to get rid of the stigma that effectively ostracizes mental health patients like leprosy, fact is  that we also need to address the problems that seem to ail so many of our young.
Never before had an almost entire generation suffered from problems like anxiety, depression and loneliness, but are they already mental Health patients?
IMO those are  two different fields and need different approaches and different settings.
I don't however see neither HT nor the Sussexes focusing on specific target groups. It is a Mischmasch of everything that is currently somewhere in the news.
Depression and anxiety are not an illness per se, they are often the symptoms of many different problems. Burn out, bore out, mobbing, loss, body issues, low self esteem, too much pressure to conform or do well, too little support, broken families…
They are tossing all this in with PTSD, mental disorders (aspergers, autism, Bipolar...) genetic disorders, birth defects you name it.
Shine a light and take a Vitamin.. and perhaps join a yoga class.  


I apologize, but as someone that has four long term mental health "issues", (I'll just lay them out: depression, anxiety, eating disorder and body dysmorphia), I take real issue with not classifying depression and anxiety as a mental illness.  Depression is considered a mood disorder and anxiety itself is a disorder; both of which fall beneath the term "mental illness".  Depression and anxiety symptoms can be worsened by the types of things that you listed but are not necessarily the cause of the illness itself.  

Unfortunately, this is the type of thinking that needs to be eliminated in order to truly create a change in the way mental health is viewed and addressed in today's popular society.  While I respect the need of Harry to speak out in light of his own struggles, telling others that he understands and wants them to ask for help does fuck all.  Mental health seems to be the trendy savior topic of the moment yet as I said before, individuals like Harry and Megs are only causing more damage to the topic than providing actual help to those that suffer with mental illness.  They have an incredible platform where millions of people can hear and read what they say.  The damage that they can cause to mental health initiatives is astounding and incredibly dangerous.  This so-called documentary of Harry's is nothing more than a joke and a way for him to make money off the backs of those who are truly suffering.  He should be ashamed of himself.

IMO depression definitely is a mental illness.  It, and anxiety, can be caused by lots of different factors and life events, and can vary in intensity, but severe depression is definitely a mental illnesses.  My uncle and father both developed severe depression, for different reasons, at a time when it was hushed up and they were not given appropriate attention.  While they had the condition, the first shot himself in the head, the second took poison.  Thus I lost both my father and my mother's only sibling when I was a young child.  It doesn't make me an expert on the subject but it did give me an interest in the issue.  Clinical depression is an illness and it requires treatment.  It is a different type of illness or disorder from bipolar disorder, autism, psychosis, schizophrenia, antisocial personality disorders, etc., and that is why I got very angry with the Wales boys and Kate started making superficial pronouncements which seemed to lump all mental disorders together.  Talking to your kids and students about mental health and their feelings will not stop them developing severe depression or bipolar disorder in later life.  These are very real medical and social problems and require huge amounts of resources, both financial and personnel, and long-term commitment, to make a difference.  These younger royals don't seem to want to make long-term commitments to causes, just short-term bursts, but this is not something they can fix in a few years.  Draw attention to it, sure, because it still requires more attention and people still seem reluctant to discuss their mental health issues, but please, Cambridges and Sussexes, leave the fixing to the experts.

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« Reply #354 on: September 20, 2019, 01:54:01 AM »

Childhood Trauma is not a good qualification, but it is a good start to feel empathy. And Harry lacks in that department as well. While we urgently need to get rid of the stigma that effectively ostracizes mental health patients like leprosy, fact is  that we also need to address the problems that seem to ail so many of our young.
Never before had an almost entire generation suffered from problems like anxiety, depression and loneliness, but are they already mental Health patients?
IMO those are  two different fields and need different approaches and different settings.
I don't however see neither HT nor the Sussexes focusing on specific target groups. It is a Mischmasch of everything that is currently somewhere in the news.
Depression and anxiety are not an illness per se, they are often the symptoms of many different problems. Burn out, bore out, mobbing, loss, body issues, low self esteem, too much pressure to conform or do well, too little support, broken families…
They are tossing all this in with PTSD, mental disorders (aspergers, autism, Bipolar...) genetic disorders, birth defects you name it.
Shine a light and take a Vitamin.. and perhaps join a yoga class.  


I apologize, but as someone that has four long term mental health "issues", (I'll just lay them out: depression, anxiety, eating disorder and body dysmorphia), I take real issue with not classifying depression and anxiety as a mental illness.  Depression is considered a mood disorder and anxiety itself is a disorder; both of which fall beneath the term "mental illness".  Depression and anxiety symptoms can be worsened by the types of things that you listed but are not necessarily the cause of the illness itself.  

Unfortunately, this is the type of thinking that needs to be eliminated in order to truly create a change in the way mental health is viewed and addressed in today's popular society.  While I respect the need of Harry to speak out in light of his own struggles, telling others that he understands and wants them to ask for help does fuck all.  Mental health seems to be the trendy savior topic of the moment yet as I said before, individuals like Harry and Megs are only causing more damage to the topic than providing actual help to those that suffer with mental illness.  They have an incredible platform where millions of people can hear and read what they say.  The damage that they can cause to mental health initiatives is astounding and incredibly dangerous.  This so-called documentary of Harry's is nothing more than a joke and a way for him to make money off the backs of those who are truly suffering.  He should be ashamed of himself.

It's like the person I was talking about earlier in the thread (who claimed any illness/infirmity/injury could be cured by positive thinking).  They suffered a tragic bereavement and claimed to have had depression afterwards.  In their talk, they said that depression shouldn't exist - it's thinking about something in the past.  At the risk of sounding extremely harsh, they didn't suffer from depression - they were griefstricken.  That is why they could categorize it as being related to their past, because to them the cause of their sadness was in the past.  To me, depression is as much of an illness and for similar reasons as say a thyroid condition as it is a chemical imbalance.

I don't entirely disagree with all the royals are saying on mental health.  There is still a reluctance, particularly amongst young men, to seek help early.  I will never forget attending a funeral of a young man who had committed suicide, and hearing his 3 year old daughter crying as she went into the cathedral that she wanted her daddy, where was her daddy.  So talking about depression and mental health issues is very important.  Hearing that anyone, everyone can be affected is important.  Destigmatising it is important.  But we really don't need the input of royals etc into this world beyond '"I, too, have had problems".  They simply aren't sufficiently educated in the area and everything gets boiled down to inane platitudes.

Unfortunately though, I fear the biggest problem regarding mental health is underfunding.  I heard only today in my area, a person will not be seen by mental health services once they have attempted suicide for the 3rd time.  Isn't that ridiculous?  And sad as it is, destigmatising mental health issues and encouraging people to seek help when help is not available is only going to worsen the situation.  I get that they are supposed to be apolitical, but if they really needed to help they should put their efforts into lobbying for more funding instead of talking crap.  And especially instead of lining their own pockets.
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« Reply #355 on: September 20, 2019, 01:58:10 AM »

Royals know how to lobby, too - it isn't just Charles who has done it. William lobbied about helicopters and got one; he also lobbied about SAR and giving more money, which didn't work. Harry has lobbied basically against freedom of speech and press to the government. If they can lobby about that then they can lobby about underfunded mental health services, or raise money for mental health charities instead of taking credit for an already-available hotline like they've done.
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« Reply #356 on: September 20, 2019, 07:53:42 AM »

Childhood Trauma is not a good qualification, but it is a good start to feel empathy. And Harry lacks in that department as well. While we urgently need to get rid of the stigma that effectively ostracizes mental health patients like leprosy, fact is  that we also need to address the problems that seem to ail so many of our young.
Never before had an almost entire generation suffered from problems like anxiety, depression and loneliness, but are they already mental Health patients?
IMO those are  two different fields and need different approaches and different settings.
I don't however see neither HT nor the Sussexes focusing on specific target groups. It is a Mischmasch of everything that is currently somewhere in the news.
Depression and anxiety are not an illness per se, they are often the symptoms of many different problems. Burn out, bore out, mobbing, loss, body issues, low self esteem, too much pressure to conform or do well, too little support, broken families…
They are tossing all this in with PTSD, mental disorders (aspergers, autism, Bipolar...) genetic disorders, birth defects you name it.
Shine a light and take a Vitamin.. and perhaps join a yoga class.  


I apologize, but as someone that has four long term mental health "issues", (I'll just lay them out: depression, anxiety, eating disorder and body dysmorphia), I take real issue with not classifying depression and anxiety as a mental illness.  Depression is considered a mood disorder and anxiety itself is a disorder; both of which fall beneath the term "mental illness".  Depression and anxiety symptoms can be worsened by the types of things that you listed but are not necessarily the cause of the illness itself.  

Unfortunately, this is the type of thinking that needs to be eliminated in order to truly create a change in the way mental health is viewed and addressed in today's popular society.  While I respect the need of Harry to speak out in light of his own struggles, telling others that he understands and wants them to ask for help does fuck all.  Mental health seems to be the trendy savior topic of the moment yet as I said before, individuals like Harry and Megs are only causing more damage to the topic than providing actual help to those that suffer with mental illness.  They have an incredible platform where millions of people can hear and read what they say.  The damage that they can cause to mental health initiatives is astounding and incredibly dangerous.  This so-called documentary of Harry's is nothing more than a joke and a way for him to make money off the backs of those who are truly suffering.  He should be ashamed of himself.

It's like the person I was talking about earlier in the thread (who claimed any illness/infirmity/injury could be cured by positive thinking).  They suffered a tragic bereavement and claimed to have had depression afterwards.  In their talk, they said that depression shouldn't exist - it's thinking about something in the past.  At the risk of sounding extremely harsh, they didn't suffer from depression - they were griefstricken.  That is why they could categorize it as being related to their past, because to them the cause of their sadness was in the past.  To me, depression is as much of an illness and for similar reasons as say a thyroid condition as it is a chemical imbalance.

I don't entirely disagree with all the royals are saying on mental health.  There is still a reluctance, particularly amongst young men, to seek help early.  I will never forget attending a funeral of a young man who had committed suicide, and hearing his 3 year old daughter crying as she went into the cathedral that she wanted her daddy, where was her daddy.  So talking about depression and mental health issues is very important.  Hearing that anyone, everyone can be affected is important.  Destigmatising it is important.  But we really don't need the input of royals etc into this world beyond '"I, too, have had problems".  They simply aren't sufficiently educated in the area and everything gets boiled down to inane platitudes.

Unfortunately though, I fear the biggest problem regarding mental health is underfunding.  I heard only today in my area, a person will not be seen by mental health services once they have attempted suicide for the 3rd time.  Isn't that ridiculous?  And sad as it is, destigmatising mental health issues and encouraging people to seek help when help is not available is only going to worsen the situation.  I get that they are supposed to be apolitical, but if they really needed to help they should put their efforts into lobbying for more funding instead of talking crap.  And especially instead of lining their own pockets.

For the thing with depression in all it's forms is also the reaction of other people: I can't even count how often I've heard someone say XY is just lazy for not standing up from bed in the morning.

Sadly for many people depression is practically non-existent as it is something that can't be seen from the outside (like a broken leg). Many seem to think that depression is attached to a certain problem and if this is solved the depression will go away. Like person XY is depressive, because he has no work...Conclusion: If he will get one, the depression will go away.

No, sorry, it doesn't work like this.
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« Reply #357 on: September 20, 2019, 09:24:41 AM »

My husband died when my boys were William and Harry's ages. It was traumatic but certainly didn't make them mental health experts.

I was 17 when my dad died from cancer. I only recently when to talk to someone about it and have a sometimes unhealthy relationship with my mom as a result. Childhood trauma isn't a qualification.

I lost my dad suddenly when I was 13 and while I didn't have to walk behind his coffin in front of the world's media, my family experienced many years of poverty and I was mentally messed up by the whole thing.

I await Apple TV's call for me to recount this inspiring story.
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« Reply #358 on: September 20, 2019, 12:12:26 PM »

I did possibly phrase my earlier post not clearly enough:
What I meant was that depression and anxiety is not a ONE illness. (or rather two)
Clinical depression, clinical anxiety has other causes than depression caused by e.g. bereavement.
Clinical anxiety is different from anxiety that comes from being mobbed at school, being over stressed or having body issues.
And all of them are different mental problems than diseases like bipolar, aspergers, autism, name it.
Someone with clinical depression is not likey to be cured by talking about his Problems, while a person who is grieving a parent or suffering from severe mobbing should not be fobbed off with a pretty pink pill.

What I want to make clear is that there is not one remedy for depression, as it has so many different causes.
It is not like having a sore throat, where you take a Penicillin and drink tea for three days and almost always feel better.
I am not in any way saying that depression is not a serious matter - I am trying to distinguish between the different versions of it and the Need to address them accordingly.
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