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« Reply #540 on: December 31, 2020, 05:09:01 PM »

I know its been an unusual year for all, but it's nice (in a way) for Alexandra, the Gloucesters and Kents to take on more of a backseat. Hopefully this is a turning point in that the younger and more available royals are taking more of the mantle formerly held by the precious generations. Interesting to see that Wills and Edward have a similar number of engagements (given their position in line to the throne), but I am willing to forego this year in terms of engagement numbers being a bit haywire.

Interesting that out of the 15 royals mentioned, 9/14 are over pension age (roughly 65 in UK), with Edward and Sophie not too far off 65. It will be fascinating to see how the BRF accommodates this change in demographic in terms of engagements, patronages and public representation....yes I still hope that Bea and Eug will take on more of a royal role, and somehow Louise and James, until the heir's heir family take more of a widespread and royal role. I doubt that the older generations of the current BRF passing away could result in the limitation of royal patronages. I think the future is very bright and interesting for the BRF as they move from the old and established to the new.
I agree! Especially about Bea and Eug. As for Louise and James, it seems they will take the role that the York sisters have.
I find it odd that Kate and Camilla have less engagements thatn Edward and Sophie, it doesn't seem right.

I believe that part of the reason that Catherine has fewer engagements is due to the fact that currently she has far fewer patronages and charities-19 when compared to Camilla-90, Edward-70 and Sophie-70. When you read the Court Circular it will often mention that an engagement was done with their patronage/charity/military appointment so those activities do make up a good portion of their end of the year tallies.

As for Camilla I believe that she does fewer due in part to age and health reasons. She's had serious issues with her back over the years and honestly I believe that she may have  an inherited tendency towards osteoporosis which affected her mother and maternal grandmother. However I will note that there has never been an official announcement about it.
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« Reply #541 on: December 31, 2020, 05:15:47 PM »

But...wasnít the claim that having fewer patronages they could be more involved.  More involvement should reduce the gap.
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« Reply #542 on: December 31, 2020, 05:23:26 PM »

But...wasnít the claim that having fewer patronages they could be more involved.  More involvement should reduce the gap.
The involvement is more meetings and projects than visits.
Kate did do two major projects this year, (Hold Still and Early Years)William had one(Earthshot), and did two documentaries.
Those take a lot of time and meetings,most held privately. They are also seen by more people, and have a much bigger effect, than the bread and butter engagements that royal watchers love.

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« Reply #543 on: December 31, 2020, 05:23:42 PM »

Yes Oh Caroline I agree that fewer ones will allow for more focus but AFAIK it is the charities/patronages which also play a part in determining how often and when they plan to host or participate in an  event/ conference/visit/meeting with their royal patrons.  Many of them can only afford to do so a couple of times a year to showcase their work or to hold a fundraiser. Private visits rarely make it onto the court circular.
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« Reply #544 on: December 31, 2020, 05:46:25 PM »

Yes Oh Caroline I agree that fewer ones will allow for more focus but AFAIK it is the charities/patronages which also play a part in determining how often and when they plan to host or participate in an  event/ conference/visit/meeting with their royal patrons.  Many of them can only afford to do so a couple of times a year to showcase their work or to hold a fundraiser. Private visits rarely make it onto the court circular.

Agreed.  Personally I always found that claim to be a bit stupid because, as you rightly pointed out, charities are limited in how much they can invest in order to have a "more involved" patron.

While I'm very pleased with how William and Kate did I'll be far more interested in how the maintain their edge.  IMO 2022 (with the Jubilee) and 2023 on (with all three kids in FT school) will be the real test.  Will they step it up (compared to 2018/19...their first two years as FT) or will they continue to coast and use their various excuses...the kids, their projects*, and/or that other royals do to much so they can't do more.  Part of that will take support from other royals...looking at you Liz as it's time that William and Kate were the go to couple for state visits escorts and foreign royal events.

I am very hopeful that William and Kate will continue on their upward trajectory and show those of us who are still unsure that they are the bright future for the BRF in not only their personal/family life (which is a 10 out of 10) but in a working capacity as well.

I also think they need to reevaluate what items they leave off the CC and why.  I get (and agree) with Kate keeping private visits to EACH patients private but things like meetings for various things should be included as doing so gives a clearer picture than the assumption that their busting their butts behind the scenes (or not depending on who's asked).

*Their projects are great and should be commended but projects should never take the place of a large number of regular duties and should be recorded with greater clarity/transparency.
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« Reply #545 on: December 31, 2020, 08:29:02 PM »

Yes Oh Caroline I agree that fewer ones will allow for more focus but AFAIK it is the charities/patronages which also play a part in determining how often and when they plan to host or participate in an  event/ conference/visit/meeting with their royal patrons.  Many of them can only afford to do so a couple of times a year to showcase their work or to hold a fundraiser. Private visits rarely make it onto the court circular.

Agreed.  Personally I always found that claim to be a bit stupid because, as you rightly pointed out, charities are limited in how much they can invest in order to have a "more involved" patron.

While I'm very pleased with how William and Kate did I'll be far more interested in how the maintain their edge.  IMO 2022 (with the Jubilee) and 2023 on (with all three kids in FT school) will be the real test.  Will they step it up (compared to 2018/19...their first two years as FT) or will they continue to coast and use their various excuses...the kids, their projects*, and/or that other royals do to much so they can't do more.  Part of that will take support from other royals...looking at you Liz as it's time that William and Kate were the go to couple for state visits escorts and foreign royal events.

I am very hopeful that William and Kate will continue on their upward trajectory and show those of us who are still unsure that they are the bright future for the BRF in not only their personal/family life (which is a 10 out of 10) but in a working capacity as well.

I also think they need to reevaluate what items they leave off the CC and why.  I get (and agree) with Kate keeping private visits to EACH patients private but things like meetings for various things should be included as doing so gives a clearer picture than the assumption that their busting their butts behind the scenes (or not depending on who's asked).

*Their projects are great and should be commended but projects should never take the place of a large number of regular duties and should be recorded with greater clarity/transparency.
Good points Oh Caroline. I'm hopeful that when Charles' reign begins that there will be an overhaul of how, when and why activities and meetings are recorded so that there is more transparency. Casa Real has been photographing its meetings for  both JC's and Felipe's reigns and I believe that is the manner that both Charles and William should adopt for most meetings going forward.
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« Reply #546 on: December 31, 2020, 08:52:12 PM »

I'm actually amazed the Duke of Kent has as many engagements as he does and that they seem to be pretty steadily throughout the year. I know he's had a history of health issues and is definitely a high risk for COVID because of his age as well. I think he takes his duty as a royal pretty seriously--he and Liz are very much Queen Mary's grandchildren.
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« Reply #547 on: December 31, 2020, 11:10:33 PM »

A lot of this year's engagements were done via video link or via phone link.

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« Reply #548 on: January 01, 2021, 07:05:43 PM »

Tim O'Donovan's numbers have been published...https://twitter.com/Majes...tatus/1344946442029379584

Here's a link to my post on 2018 and 2019...https://royaldish.com/ind...595.msg1251017#msg1251017

In 2020...

D-Domestic, I-International, T-Total (percentage as compared to 2020...just for fun and to see how each royal was limited)

Charles:  D-283, I-18, T-301 (57.8% vs 2019's total of 521)

Anne:  D-233, I-0, T-233 (46% vs 2019's total of 521)

William:  D-149, I-4, T-154 (70% vs 2019's total of 220)

Sophie:  D-128, I-26, T-154 (65.3% vs 2019's total of 236)

The Queen:  D-133, I-0, T-133 (45.1% vs 2019's total of 295)

Edward Wessex:  D-114, I-15, T-129 (41.9% vs 2019's total of 308)

Camilla:  D-115, I-5, T-120 (53.6% vs 2019's total of 224)

Kate:  D-104, I-4, T-108 (85.7% vs 2019's total of 126)

Richard:  D-79, I-1, T-80 (35.4% vs 2019's total of 226)

Edward Kent:  D-64, I-4, T-68 (33.5% vs 2019's total of 203)

Birgitte:  D-46, I-2, T-48 (57.1% vs 2019's total of 84)

Alexandra:  D-13, I-0, T-13 (21.7% vs 2019's total of 60)

One thing did jump out at me when I was looking at the numbers...William and Kate's international number seems off as their Ireland visit in March was 12 engagements not 4.  I'm going to assume that these were left off (rather than placed somewhere else) and correct their number.

William:  D-149, I-12, T-161 (73.1% vs 2019's total of 220)

Kate:  D-104, I-12, T-116 (92.1% vs 2019's total of 126)

I do find it very interesting that Kate's numbers were nearly identical to 2019.  I looked at the CC and it recorded 12 meeting for her Early Years Project in 2020 (vs only recording 4 in 2019)...I think someone heard my wish about including all meetings on the CC.  IMO the limited effect is most likely due to a combination of...lower numbers from the get go, better recording of meetings, and the your generation adapting more quickly to using technology during lockdown.  Well done this year...as I said on another thread the test will be 2022 and 2023 on.  Fingers crossed that they'll exceed my expectations.

I'm also hoping that the cousins are being given a blessing to do as they feel able...what with the clear focus on the slimmed down core group it's nice to see zero pressure on the cousins.  Given their ages, health problems (Alexandra and Edward Kent), and relative unimportance to the succession it's nice to think the the BRF is setting them up for a peaceful and dignified retirement.
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« Reply #549 on: January 02, 2021, 11:41:32 AM »

Just to say that Tom O'Donovan's study is everything you'd hope it would be

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« Reply #550 on: January 02, 2021, 05:21:41 PM »

Thatís....a lot of Royal photos!
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« Reply #551 on: January 02, 2021, 06:35:44 PM »

This man is a gift what will they do without him? I wonder if Kate has low numbers because she is technically the wife of the heir's heir and not yet herself Princess of Wales so she is being given the space to be a mother as much as possible. Once she is POW the work will absolutely have to kick in. There is only so much time with young ones before full time school begins and the timing is right for her to keep in that zone. Camilla has her own family outside of the royal family so that is probably why her numbers are lower.
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« Reply #552 on: January 02, 2021, 07:03:38 PM »

I think they have it set up well to be honest, I think HM and Charles are all aware of their own issues managing children nad duties so happy for W&K to take a back seat for now, after all they aren't even the next heirs yet. They have stepped up their duties over time to a level that clearly gives them time to do more behind the scenes with longer term projects, for W probably some learning the ropes etc and have a pretty hands on parent role. I imagine every one is happy with the way it works out at the moment - after all no disrespect to Charles we know he is not always happy with being overshadowed so him being seen as hardest working royal probably makes him happy.
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« Reply #553 on: January 02, 2021, 07:50:36 PM »

Just to say that Tom O'Donovan's study is everything you'd hope it would be



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« Reply #554 on: January 02, 2021, 10:38:51 PM »

 Star Oh Caroline and  Star Future Crayon for your Tim O'Donovan tally and the study photo! Smiley

Oh Caroline -Thank you for correcting the Cambridges' Int'l engagement numbers as four seemed like a low number from their trip to Ireland.

Here's a link to the online CC for the Cambridge's trip which took place March 3-5, 2020. I don't count the "departures and arrivals" but I would say at the least they had 8-10 activities in total.

https://www.royal.uk/cour...%5D=2%2F01%2F2021&id=
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