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« Reply #120 on: January 14, 2020, 08:42:59 PM »

Thank you for the two polite replies. As for yours Perdie -you have quite an aggressive tone. It usually works just as well to answer in a less strident manner. As well as being polite, the calmness has the advantage of looking more level headed too. Thanks.
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« Reply #121 on: January 14, 2020, 08:54:38 PM »

They seem to have a good time together, based on the pictures.

They are near the same age, like horses, country life, and are close to their kids. Then of course they have Andrew Parker Bowles in common, too.

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 Star Star Star Well deserved it, I promised.

What’s the point of this being a royal dishing website when the major royal event being dished on at the moment, the Sussexes, isn’t even mentioned?
I am in other sites where you can, as others have well explained, it didn't work out here. You are always welcome to try elsewhere.  Smiley
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« Reply #122 on: January 14, 2020, 09:09:36 PM »

They seem to have a good time together, based on the pictures.

They are near the same age, like horses, country life, and are close to their kids. Then of course they have Andrew Parker Bowles in common, too.
I wasn't going to say it, but that's exactly what I was thinking LL. Star
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« Reply #123 on: January 14, 2020, 09:15:02 PM »

Congrats on 3000 posts Caroline!
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« Reply #124 on: January 14, 2020, 09:16:02 PM »

Thank you for the two polite replies. As for yours Perdie -you have quite an aggressive tone. It usually works just as well to answer in a less strident manner. As well as being polite, the calmness has the advantage of looking more level headed too. Thanks.

Dear boneofcontention,
You've been around for quite a few years on this board. In fact, some 7 years longer than Perdie. During those years, you will have probably noticed that it's called Royal Dish: we dish on royals, not other posters. For many, English is not the first language. What qualifies as politeness, differs from country to country and we tend to accept this.

There are plenty of forums, tumblrs and instagrams that discuss these events in depth, pictures and memes included.

So, tune in with Elsa and....let's smurf!
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« Reply #125 on: January 14, 2020, 09:23:28 PM »

Resident royal historians, can a royal title be retired/de-listed/de-royaled? Thinking
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« Reply #126 on: January 14, 2020, 09:30:02 PM »

If you're born a HRH (like Charles'sons, but not Anne's children) I believe it is possible but not easy. *
A peerage can only be revoked by an Act of Parliament. Last time that really happened was in 1917.



* eta it's what OC says; the optics of course are not easy  Wink
The grandchildren in the male line of the monarch are entitled to HRH, so Edward's kids are in fact HRHs, but he politely declined the titles and they are styled Lord and Lady (James has the subsidiary title Viscount Severn). Edward is only an Earl. Perhaps QEII was running out of titles, perhaps she found it unnecessary because his issue would be way down the succession anyway.
Anne is a HRH by birth and Princess Royal, but she has no other title. So basically a commoner, just like Charles sons until they got their title upon marriage. She could've become a duchess/etc if she'd married a duke/etc.

Anne's children are not in the male line, hence Peter and Zara Phillips are not HRH and commoners until the monarch bestows titles on them. The rules were changed a bit before  George was born.Discussed elsewhere on RD :-)
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« Reply #127 on: January 14, 2020, 09:32:57 PM »

Yes someone's HRH Prince(ss) is the sole will of the sovereign via letters patent...see George V's 1917 retooling, Princess Patricia of Connaught, and the 1996 ex-wife LP as the best examples of removal.  It's super easy.

Removing someone's peerage...regardless of their royalness...is up to Parliament and only Parliament.  See 1917 Titles Deprivation Act as reference.



Sorry Pomme I was typing at the same time as you.   Hug
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« Reply #128 on: January 14, 2020, 09:44:48 PM »

 Hug  OC, Pomme - can the title itself be retired to never be available to another royal again?
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« Reply #129 on: January 14, 2020, 10:12:37 PM »

Infanta Cristina of Spain was deprived of her dukedom title but she will be an infanta as long as she wants. I don't know about other royal houses.
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« Reply #130 on: January 14, 2020, 10:20:17 PM »

Hug  OC, Pomme - can the title itself be retired to never be available to another royal again?

I guess.  If you look at the peerages affected by the 1917 Act a heir to that peerage could petition parliament to have it reinstated.  The probability the Parliament will pass an act dealing with the peerages of both current troublemakers is unlikely but if they did we’d have to see the wording.  If the wording was similar to 1917 then those peerages wouldn’t be available as long as potential heirs were alive.  If the language was different then the peerages in question would be available and it would be up to the judgement of future monarchs whether or not to recreated those peerages for someone else down the road.

AFAIK there’s no formal retired list. 

IMVHO it’s unlikely that any of the current troublemaker will lose their peerages as Parliament has better things to do. 
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« Reply #131 on: January 14, 2020, 10:21:33 PM »

Hug  OC, Pomme - can the title itself be retired to never be available to another royal again?


If the title is revoked/deprived/givn for life it can be retired forever and never used again. If there is no male issue a dukedom will become extinct, unless the monarch decides it can be inherited by a woman (Fife comes to mind)

https://en.wikipedia.org/...es_of_Britain_and_Ireland
is a very useful page about dukedoms (there are more on the other ranks), how they were created etc.
Some titles revert to the Crown, there are quite a few 'royal' dukedoms and before Harry got his there was speculation which of the 'dormant' royal ones he was going to get. Some were not ok because something was the matter with the last holder, or some bad luck befell him.

https://en.wikipedia.org/...oms_in_the_United_Kingdom

everything on the royal dukedoms.
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« Reply #132 on: January 14, 2020, 11:03:26 PM »

Hug  OC, Pomme - can the title itself be retired to never be available to another royal again?

I guess.  If you look at the peerages affected by the 1917 Act a heir to that peerage could petition parliament to have it reinstated.  The probability the Parliament will pass an act dealing with the peerages of both current troublemakers is unlikely but if they did we’d have to see the wording.  If the wording was similar to 1917 then those peerages wouldn’t be available as long as potential heirs were alive.  If the language was different then the peerages in question would be available and it would be up to the judgement of future monarchs whether or not to recreated those peerages for someone else down the road.

AFAIK there’s no formal retired list.  

IMVHO it’s unlikely that any of the current troublemaker will lose their peerages as Parliament has better things to do.  
OC, Pomme:  Star Star Star. Andy is now infamous for his "those are not my hands", "Me , sweat? Never". Hypothetically, if he decided to package his extraordinary ability (depite armple evidence to the contrary) into a device/medication, he could convince the gullible to purchase it, with many of his revenue streams terminated. He would certainly want to market it as "No Sweat" by the House of York: Better than Botox . Could he petition Parliament to have the Duke of York title rendered obsolete/non-existent so he can make his gazillions from his "No Sweat device" under the House of York banner without trading on the York title because technically it would no longer exist, royally?  Halo Halo Halo
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« Reply #133 on: January 14, 2020, 11:11:57 PM »

 Thinking   Methinks Parliament has better things to do. The York dukedom will revert to the monarch anyway (no male issue-rule) and if he succeeds in handing it back, mother will make sure it will be with strings attached.
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« Reply #134 on: January 15, 2020, 12:17:00 AM »

In the UK parliament has to pass legislation to remove a title.

A peer can refuse a title (can't think of the correct term) but only in the first year after gaining the title. That law was past in 1963.

The Titles Deprivation Act also only removed the title from the holders. It allowed male line descendants to reclaim the title if they want to do so (and over 100 years later they haven't but they still can). They weren't removed from the line of succession either.

The interesting title change to me is what happened in 1936. Edward VIII abdicated but when the BBC were going to introduce him to the public for his speech they indicated they were going to use Mr Edward Windsor but George VI said 'no, he will always be the son of the monarch and thus HRH The Prince Edward'.

I know the Queen issued the LPs to remove HRH from divorced wives but the 1917 LPs didn't deal with that possibility (didn't actually deal with non HRH wives marrying into the family either - that was done by George V simply saying that Elizabeth Bowes Lyon would become HRH The Duchess of York on marriage to HRH The Duke of York. Had George V said 'no HRH' at that time than none of the wives, other than Marina, would have been HRH. Marina was born HRH in her own right. Diana would thus have been Lady Diana, Princess of Wales - Lady in her own right and Princess of Wales as the wife of the Prince of Wales. Sarah, Catherine and Meghan would have all had just a title as they had no honorific so no HRH and just the titles.
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