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« Reply #30 on: June 23, 2020, 10:06:32 AM »

Juliana and Kira were also both bridesmaids at the wedding of Princess Marina of Greece and Denmark to Prince George, Duke of Kent on 29 November 1934.
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« Reply #31 on: June 23, 2020, 11:46:29 PM »

 Nice finds, Principessa.   Star

Julianna must have had a tough life married to Bernhard.
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« Reply #32 on: June 23, 2020, 11:52:04 PM »

Crown Princess Juliana with Emperor Wilhelm II of Germany    
http://www.pinterest.com/pin/564709240756726425

Could this have been at the wedding of Prince Louis Ferdinand and Grand Duchess Kira Kirillovna?

It was held in Doorn in 1938.

     
It was interesting to learn that Prince Louis Ferdinand's older brother Prince Wilhelm might have wed Princess Ingrid.

You are correct. If my eye sight isn't fooling me, it is Juliana sitting on the ground at the first row in the following picture. And Berhard standing next to Crown Princess Cecilie (the first row standing behind the bridal couple).



And according to Royal Musings:

http://royalmusingsblogsp...duchess-kira-part-ii.html

....Kira’s close friend, Crown Princess Juliana and Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands were able to attend the festivities at Doorn....  
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« Reply #33 on: June 24, 2020, 03:26:08 PM »

Nice finds, Principessa.   Star

Julianna must have had a tough life married to Bernhard.

It has always been my understanding that she loved him unconditionally and turned a blind eye to his affairs.
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« Reply #34 on: June 24, 2020, 03:27:45 PM »

Found this picture of Juliana and Kira:



Nice find!

W II. was obviously more than happy with the choice of bride of his second grandson and he certainly enjoyed the festivities.
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« Reply #35 on: June 24, 2020, 03:43:13 PM »

Nice finds, Principessa.   Star

Julianna must have had a tough life married to Bernhard.

It has always been my understanding that she loved him unconditionally and turned a blind eye to his affairs.

I estimate that many were of the opinion that Juliana was quite naive, both during her time as later.

Also her father was a well-known oblique marcher (literal translation of the Dutch word "schuinmarcheerder" = someone with a lewd lifestyle).
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« Reply #36 on: June 24, 2020, 04:00:21 PM »

Found this picture of Juliana and Kira:



Nice find!

W II. was obviously more than happy with the choice of bride of his second grandson and he certainly enjoyed the festivities.

Royal Musings about Kira this year, interesting. The proposal of Lulu to Kira doesn't sound that romantic, but apparently they respected each other (f.e. the comment of Lulu in the '90s, long after Kira's death). It also provides some info about the friendship between Kira and Juliana.:

http://royalmusingsblogsp...duchess-kira-part-ii.html

...Thanks to her aunt Marie, Kira was soon moving in the right circles.  She had become friends with her Greek cousin, Princess Marina, whose mother, Helen, was Grand Duke Kirill’s only sister, and with the Crown Princess Juliana of the Netherlands.   Princess Ileana of Roumania, another first cousin, was also a chum....

"...It was not until 1935 when plans for a possible marriage with Prince Louis Ferdinand began to come to fruition.  Kira was in Paris when she was invited by a family friend, Olga de Mumm, to spend a week with her at her home at Johannisberg on the Rhine.   The Russian-born de Mumm was the wife of the scion of the champagne family Prince Louis Ferdinand had also been invited to Johannisberg, as Olga “had cherished the idea of a possible match” between the prince and Grand Duchess Kira.   Notwithstanding the close family connections, Kira’s parents were also in favor of a relationship.   Louis Ferdinand, after all, would one day be the head of the House of Hohenzollern, and Ducky, for one, was convinced that Adolf Hitler was going to restore the Hohenzollerns to their proper place in Berlin...."

"..This would not be the first time that Kira met her cousin, Louis Ferdinand.  When she was 16 years old, Kira and her cousin, Princess Sibylla of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha visited Berlin where they were asked by Kira’s parents to pay their respects to Crown Princess Cecilie, whose mother was a Russian Grand Duchess..."

"..Kira thought “Cecilienhof to be the loveliest place in the world.”    Of course, at age 16, she had no inkling that she would marry the Crown Princess’s son.  But she did meet Louis Ferdinand at this time, as Cecilie had asked him and his brother Hubertus to show their cousins around the garden.

“We were all rather shy of each other ....I am certain that we flappers did not make much impression upon our nineteen-and eighteen-year-old cousins. Nor were Sibylla and I overly struck by them.”

 At Sibylla’s wedding in 1931, several family members hatched a plan to arrange a marriage between Louis Ferdinand’s brother, Prince Wilhelm, and Sybilla’s cousin, Princess Ingrid of Sweden. Wilhelm appeared very late at the pre-wedding dinner and failed to make an impression on the Swedish Princess, who had recently been courted by another cousin, the Duke of Kent.  In 1935, she married the future King Frederik IX of Denmark. It is unlikely that Kira and Louis Ferdinand would have married if the marriage between Wilhelm and Ingrid had taken place.   Wilhelm would not have renounced his rights, and Louis Ferdinand may have remained in America, where he enjoyed working for Ford.   According to Kira, Wilhelm “failed to attract Ingrid and nothing came of the meeting.”..."



"...Olga de Mumm also encouraged Louis Ferdinand to join the weekend party.  To Kira, she had described the prince as “a most attractive young man,” who had an “affection for everything Russian.”  This, of course, appealed to Kira, “whose curiosity was aroused.”

One should not always rely on first impressions as Louis Ferdinand thought Kira to be “too conventional.”   The prince, Kira quickly learned, disliked “convention and reserve.”

after breakfast, they were “dispatched” for a walk where they got better acquainted.  Kira noted that Louis Ferdinand “did most of the talking,” but there was no flirtation with each other.

Although Kira was determined “to seem casual” and to “give an impression of offhandedness and superiority,” which irked Louis Ferdinand.     He also liked short hair on women.  Kira’s “golden tresses” reached beyond her waist.    They did share a mutual interest in playing poker.

 The following day, Kira and Louis Ferdinand visited Kira’s sister, Maria, at her home in Amorbach.   Kira noted that Louis Ferdinand and Mashka “were friends at once; kindred spirits in their lack of and dislike for conventionalities, their use of strong words (to put it mildly, and very Slavic temperaments.”

Kira was unsure of her meeting with Louis Ferdinand.  Mashka told her to give Lulu (the family’s nickname for Louis Ferdinand) a hug in the hallway while the rest of the party took a nap during the afternoon.   “We did not hug, but a spark of affection was kindled that evening” during the drive back to Frankfurt to catch their respective trains.

The two agreed to meet again at “some indefinite future date,” but they would not write to each other or consider themselves “in no way bound.”   Kira acknowledged that she did give Lulu “an uncousinly kiss.”

It would be three years before Kira and Louis Ferdinand would again meet.    Her own life would be beset with tragedy and sadness. ..."


"...Kira began the new year in 1937 in the Netherlands where she was one of several bridesmaids at the marriage of Crown Princess Juliana to Prince Bernhard of Lippe-Biesterfeld.   By that fall, Kira was back in London as a guest of her mother’s youngest sister, Infanta Beatrice of Spain.  It was another season of parties, balls, and charity functions. .."


"..Beatrice also took it upon herself to find a husband for Kira, and the Prussian princes were at the top of her list.

“Aunty Bee thought it would be a splendid thing if Louis’s brother, Hubertus and I could meet and come to like each other.”     It seemed that no one no longer considered a marriage between Kira and Louis Ferdinand.

 “So I now became interested in Hubertus and thought no more of Louis.”
 But Hubertus never showed up, but Kira did meet the youngest brother, Friedrich Georg, who was working in London.  He asked his mother if she would invite Kira and Wladimir to join the family for Christmas at Cecilienhof.
Neither Hubertus nor Louis Ferdinand was home when Kira and her brother arrived where they were welcomed by Crown Prince Wilhelm and Crown Princess Cecilie.   Louis Ferdinand arrived two days later.  Kira notes in her husband’s memoirs, The Rebel Prince, that when they met just before dinner, “Louis was very courteous.  I fancied even that I detected something new in his attitude towards me.  But I was not going to “kid” myself.  For my part, I felt at once and rather perturblingly attracted to Louis.  Had we both changed?”

 Kira didn’t know Hubertus felt about her, but she knew that if “Fate was to give me the choice between him and his brother, Louis would win.”

The proposal – of sorts – came on December 23 as the family gathered to decorate the Christmas tree.  Kira noticed Louis looking at her.  “This time I felt sure that I interpreted his expression correctly.”

Prince Louis Ferdinand escorted Kira and Wladimir to their bedrooms.  After Wladimir had gone to bed, Louis Ferdinand took Kira’s hand, and said “Well, how about it? Is it a deal?”

 They talked for more than an hour, and Kira accepted Louis Ferdinand’s proposal of marriage.  But rather than wait until later that morning on Christmas eve, they proceeded to wake Wladimir as well as the Crown Prince and Princess, all of whom gave their blessings.  But an official announcement could not be made until the Kaiser in Door gave his permission for the marriage.

 The formal announcement came on December 29, 1937, when Kira and Louis Ferdinand joined the Kaiser and other members of the family at a dinner at Doorn.  Neither the Crown Prince,  who was suffering from a cold, nor Grand Duke Kirill, who was at home in St. Briac, were able to attend the celebration.  The couple sent a telegram to Grand Duke Kirill with the news that they were engaged to be married and added that the Kaiser was delighted.   Grand Duke Wladimir was the only member of Kira’s family who was at the dinner.

 Crown Princess Juliana of the Netherlands telephoned Kira to offer her good wishes and excitement at the news...."



"... Some years later, Prince Louis Ferdinand talked about how his older brother’s marriage changed his own plans to stay in America.  Wilhelm’s decision to marry Dorothea von Salviati in 1933 had a profound effect on Louis Ferdinand’s life.   “Well, yes, in a very definite way because I had planned on staying in the United States – I had emigrated really; I had an emigration visa, so it only would have taken me one or two years to get American citizenship.  I had it renewed up to the last moment until I got married.  I always could have gone back.  But then I said - no, no.” He added that he would have been happy to stay in America.  “Probably yes.  But my marriage so definitely changed my whole life and made me very, very happy.  I don’t think I would have found somebody like my wife there.”..."


".... The couple’s first son was born on February 9, 1939, shortly before midnight.   As the German press was forbidden to mention even the name of Louis Ferdinand’s family in the papers,  Louis Ferdinand “played a trick,” by inserting a paid birth announcement in several German newspapers.   Louis Lochner, one of Louis Ferdinand’s closest friends – and an American – made sure that the news got out of Germany.

The little boy was to have been called Louis Ferdinand, but the Kaiser insisted on family tradition that the child be known as Friedrich Wilhelm.   The baptism took place at  Cecilenhof in April 1939.  The little prince was given the names Louis Ferdinand Friedrich Wilhelm Hubertus Michael Kirill but would be styled as HRH Prince Friedrich Wilhelm of Prussia.  None of the godparents – Crown Prince Frederik of Denmark, who was Louis Ferdinand’s first cousin, Princess Sibylla of Sweden and Crown Princess Juliana of the Netherlands – were able to attend the ceremony...."


"..In an interview with Hello magazine in the early 1990s, Prince Louis Ferdinand said he was “immensely grateful” as “life has been extraordinary, despite all the ups and downs.  I married a marvellous woman, Princess Kira, who died too soon, unfortunately.   We had seven children, we were a very close, and a very happy family.  I thank God for all of this.” ..."









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« Reply #37 on: July 15, 2020, 08:42:00 AM »

The flashback of the Dutch royalty tv show Blauw Bloed (= Blue blood) to the abdication of Queen Juliana. Including a clip of the interview then Princess Juliana and her husband gave 7 years later. In this  Juliana reacts quite agitated when it is noted that she should not be spoken against / said no to. Both Juliana and Bernhard indicate that this is not true.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xq80PX_VF04
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« Reply #38 on: July 15, 2020, 08:44:57 AM »

A nice overview about Juliana, in Dutch:


Juliana - Simply Special (Juliana - Gewoon Bijzonder)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLl_JNFmLBs
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« Reply #39 on: July 29, 2020, 02:03:43 AM »

46th birthday portrait of Queen Juliana   
http://www.greatbigcanvas...f-the-netherlands,2435371
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« Reply #40 on: September 30, 2020, 01:59:58 AM »

Queen Juliana received the position of Council of State on her eighteenth birthday. Could she have been on the Council of State younger than eighteen?
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« Reply #41 on: September 30, 2020, 10:11:22 AM »

Queen Juliana received the position of Council of State on her eighteenth birthday. Could she have been on the Council of State younger than eighteen?

As far as I know all Dutch royals (heirs) only joined the Council of State at the age of 18 or beyond. As this is seen as the age of consent.
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« Reply #42 on: October 10, 2020, 02:03:19 AM »

Queen Juliana thanked the people for celebrating her 70th birthday in 1979.   
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« Reply #43 on: October 10, 2020, 02:59:31 AM »

What a joyous photo!  I have to say, Juliana is one of my favorite royals - not an easy life but one which she seems to have made the best. 
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« Reply #44 on: October 10, 2020, 10:36:55 AM »

What a joyous photo!  I have to say, Juliana is one of my favorite royals - not an easy life but one which she seems to have made the best. 

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