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« Reply #1845 on: May 23, 2020, 09:43:20 PM »

The South Korea thing was people testing positive due to dead viral fragments, I think. Something like that. Not a real re-infection; there's not been any real evidence of that happening yet. I'm keeping your dad and you and your whole family in my prayers continually, tsarinya.  Hug We are all thinking of you and supporting you here!

Restaurants are opening here this weekend. We tried to get a reservation tonight but nothing. Oh well, soon! It's odd how many things like that I've taken for granted and now I'm chomping at the bit. I was pretty shocked when I recently read where a lot of this 'stay at home' and 'social distancing' thing comes from - a 14 year old's study in 2006. Her parents were systems analysts, and all are credited on the paper. Crazy stuff.

I now know 3 people who have killed themselves (internet friends) over these lock-downs. It's so heartbreaking.

From what I have been reading this was also the idea as far back as the 'Spanish' 'flu' in 1918 so it is not a new idea. Also because people stopped following the guidelines then there was a second very severe wave.
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« Reply #1846 on: May 23, 2020, 09:53:49 PM »

The article is very interesting talking about a lot of the panic around the avian flu then later MERS, SARS, H1N1 and this part I thought was pertinent from the NYT: "And it had some unexpected detours, including a deep dive into the history of the 1918 Spanish flu and an important discovery kicked off by a high school research project pursued by the daughter of a scientist at the Sandia National Laboratories.

The concept of social distancing is now intimately familiar to almost everyone. But as it first made its way through the federal bureaucracy in 2006 and 2007, it was viewed as impractical, unnecessary and politically infeasible."

I think it's a good read to see why we are where we are and how it really doesn't help but makes things worse in many respects. We're essentially an experiment using a high school research project as our guide...

I doubt we'll see anything like the second wave the media's screaming about because they need something to scare us with because the media always loves a crisis... This isn't 1918, WWI, poor hygiene and overdoses of aspirin to treat people. It just reminds me of the over-the-top panic of H1N1, avian flu, etc, or even back to 9/11. Social media I think has made things and discourse so much worse.

Editing to add I just read this from a journal: "Importantly, we detected SARS-CoV-2−reactive CD4+  T cells in ~40-60% of  unexposed individuals, suggesting cross-reactive T cell recognition between circulating ‘common cold’ coronaviruses and SARS-CoV-2." That's great!
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« Reply #1847 on: May 23, 2020, 10:49:58 PM »

Once again, the media has so much to answer for in terms of the damage it has done to mental health.  CBS talked about children developing respiratory problems related to COVID, and used a photo from Eastern Europe of a baby with (IIRC) a variant of meningococcal. This is the depths they will plumb in order to make people scared.

Panic porn is dangerous... but, hey, they got their ratings, they got their paychecks, and they got a population who watches the tickers go up and up and up.

Now that states are re-opening and the sky isn't falling, Wave 2 is the next big thing.
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« Reply #1848 on: May 23, 2020, 11:57:56 PM »

The article is very interesting talking about a lot of the panic around the avian flu then later MERS, SARS, H1N1 and this part I thought was pertinent from the NYT: "And it had some unexpected detours, including a deep dive into the history of the 1918 Spanish flu and an important discovery kicked off by a high school research project pursued by the daughter of a scientist at the Sandia National Laboratories.

The concept of social distancing is now intimately familiar to almost everyone. But as it first made its way through the federal bureaucracy in 2006 and 2007, it was viewed as impractical, unnecessary and politically infeasible."

I think it's a good read to see why we are where we are and how it really doesn't help but makes things worse in many respects. We're essentially an experiment using a high school research project as our guide...

I doubt we'll see anything like the second wave the media's screaming about because they need something to scare us with because the media always loves a crisis... This isn't 1918, WWI, poor hygiene and overdoses of aspirin to treat people. It just reminds me of the over-the-top panic of H1N1, avian flu, etc, or even back to 9/11. Social media I think has made things and discourse so much worse.

Editing to add I just read this from a journal: "Importantly, we detected SARS-CoV-2−reactive CD4+  T cells in ~40-60% of  unexposed individuals, suggesting cross-reactive T cell recognition between circulating ‘common cold’ coronaviruses and SARS-CoV-2." That's great!

I agree, it is an interesting article. However the fact that so many countries chose lockdown and social distancing is unlikely to be because of an American school research project Smiley. I suppose that my own viewpoints are based on the fact that the Irish government has explained well their reasonings and you do not seem to have had this clarity in the US. Also there is nothing for anybody to gain here either politically or financially - far from it - by extending the lockdown. So I accept what they tell me and hope for the best, for Ireland and for Spain and for everywhere.     
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« Reply #1849 on: May 24, 2020, 12:03:27 AM »

I think there is clarity.  Some of us just choose to disagree.
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« Reply #1850 on: May 28, 2020, 05:45:12 AM »

Just wanted to pop in and let everyone know my test came back negative! Banana My son and I both feel like we had a touch of something, his more stomach troubles and mine more lung/respiratory. We were both feeling pretty rotten up until recently but we've been feeling better slowly for two days now. I have been sleeping a lot and just staying very low key.

Broke quarantine for the first time today to go to the pharmacy and went by the nursery to buy some herbs, vege starts and flowers. I wore mask and gloves everywhere I went. Going to spend the evening puttering in my patio garden.

I talk to my doctor regarding the test results and how I'm feeling day after tomorrow, until then I'm technically still in quarantine. Still researching my options regarding my job.

Thanks for all the prayers, positive thoughts and virtual hugs I've gotten, it has made this ordeal much easier to go through.  Hug
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« Reply #1851 on: May 28, 2020, 05:59:17 AM »

Such very good news Karma! So glad for you!  Jumping
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« Reply #1852 on: May 28, 2020, 10:20:20 AM »

Glad to hear KC Banana Jumping
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« Reply #1853 on: May 28, 2020, 02:45:04 PM »

Great news KC!! Jumping
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« Reply #1854 on: May 28, 2020, 03:08:56 PM »

Just wanted to pop in and let everyone know my test came back negative! Banana My son and I both feel like we had a touch of something, his more stomach troubles and mine more lung/respiratory. We were both feeling pretty rotten up until recently but we've been feeling better slowly for two days now. I have been sleeping a lot and just staying very low key.

Broke quarantine for the first time today to go to the pharmacy and went by the nursery to buy some herbs, vege starts and flowers. I wore mask and gloves everywhere I went. Going to spend the evening puttering in my patio garden.

I talk to my doctor regarding the test results and how I'm feeling day after tomorrow, until then I'm technically still in quarantine. Still researching my options regarding my job.

Thanks for all the prayers, positive thoughts and virtual hugs I've gotten, it has made this ordeal much easier to go through.  Hug

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« Reply #1855 on: May 28, 2020, 09:16:29 PM »

Just wanted to pop in and let everyone know my test came back negative! Banana My son and I both feel like we had a touch of something, his more stomach troubles and mine more lung/respiratory. We were both feeling pretty rotten up until recently but we've been feeling better slowly for two days now. I have been sleeping a lot and just staying very low key.

This is good news.
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« Reply #1856 on: May 28, 2020, 09:23:44 PM »

Thanks everyone, I'm happy to say I'm feeling a bit better today as well. Still not 100% or even 80% but getting there.

My a-hole boss had the nerve to send me an email starting with "I trust you had a wonderful weekend." WTF Yeah bozo, I had a great time wondering if I was going to get sick with a potentially deadly virus because of your uncaring treatment of your employees. Which reminds me, I need to get on the phone with the state Dept of Labor & Industry. We've been playing phone tag so today I'm going to buckle down and answer all my phone calls (see Principessa, you're not alone in avoiding the phone).

Lots of love and gratitude to you all. Stay safe out there!!!
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« Reply #1857 on: May 29, 2020, 12:54:23 AM »

Thanks everyone, I'm happy to say I'm feeling a bit better today as well. Still not 100% or even 80% but getting there.

My a-hole boss had the nerve to send me an email starting with "I trust you had a wonderful weekend." WTF Yeah bozo, I had a great time wondering if I was going to get sick with a potentially deadly virus because of your uncaring treatment of your employees. Which reminds me, I need to get on the phone with the state Dept of Labor & Industry. We've been playing phone tag so today I'm going to buckle down and answer all my phone calls (see Principessa, you're not alone in avoiding the phone).

Lots of love and gratitude to you all. Stay safe out there!!!

You too, and I’m so glad you’re okay.  Hug
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« Reply #1858 on: May 29, 2020, 05:19:13 AM »

Glad you are okay. I don't personally know anyone who has had coronavirus. It's all third hand and what I read. We had a discussion about returning to work today--I got depressed. Only so many people in the building at a time, wear a mask all day, stay away from colleagues. It's one thing to be at home (which I'm sick of, but only because I'm not alone). I'm afraid if they don't start high school the normal way, my daughter will just give up on school and have only an 8th grade education. Which was fine in 1910, it was a feat to get even that. But now?

So I started to reform my eating habits bc I now have the quarantine fifteen. Went well for the first 24 hours until I decided I needed some pop tarts. *sigh*
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« Reply #1859 on: May 29, 2020, 05:28:45 AM »

It is all absolutely insane and has no basis in science or reality - even these fools who yell about THE SCIENCE yet say the CDC is lying about the IFR when they announced it is very, very low indeed. Our county extended their stupid stay at home order despite having only one to two new positive cases per day and expanding testing considerably. I know quite a few people who have killed themselves now. Businesses are gone for good. Jobs are gone for good. What will we do then? Nobody cares about second order effects, or the fact that lockdowns and this kind of behavior is worse than the damn virus.

This 'new normal' thing will make me kill myself, truly, if it doesn't stop. Why should we bother living if we cannot interact? If our children cannot be in school? If we must wear masks everywhere we go? If we have no rights except those our benevolent dictators say we do, and  can take them away at any moment? It's so depressing.

Mr Ellie wants to go back to work in the office, but that will probably not happen. He is so lucky he has his job. Other friends at other companies have lost theirs, for good. The reaction to this thing was so overwrought and has destroyed so much.
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