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« Reply #1875 on: May 31, 2020, 04:45:58 AM »

Masks and social distancing aren't recommended by any major organization or medical journals... I read a fascinating article about how social distancing as a concept was come up with by a 14 year old in a high school project, which was published because her father was a statistical modeler. NYT reported on it back in 2006 during the avian flu and then again on H1N1 and everyone pooh-poohed it because it's not sustainable and does nothing.

I only wear a mask if I am required to do so to enter a facility. I sure wouldn't wear one outside! It's been dreadfully hot here so I wanted a slush at a convenience store, but I guess the virus hides in the slush machine because they were closed. Other stores can reopen, but they don't because there's no reason to with all these silly restrictions that IMO have no basis in reality. I've read far too much about scientists looking at these lockdowns and you know what? Negligible impact on the spread of a virus. A virus is gonna do what a virus is gonna do. Increase hygiene and take care of yourselves! We were lucky this one's IFR is something like 0.3%.

I'm glad things are going back to normal. I'm not gonna go in for this "new normal" crap.
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« Reply #1876 on: May 31, 2020, 06:38:54 AM »

Ellie, you're of course more than welcome to your opinion but I think you're in a low minority here. Speaking for myself, I worked with a bunch of people who pooh-poohed the whole Covid-19 "hysteria". Three of them have now been hospitalized with it and who knows how many they infected. I had my second test today because I'm still having symptoms that they can't explain. You can't tell me that masks wouldn't have saved me and a lot of other people in this office actual physical and emotional harm.
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« Reply #1877 on: May 31, 2020, 07:13:20 AM »

Physical harm? No. Emotional harm? Sure, if it makes you feel better, go ahead! I think it should be an individual choice. If you want to wear one yourself, great. Wear it if it makes you feel better and more comfortable. We have places in this country where government has mandated people to wear one outside, no matter what. That's my objection, and has no basis in science. It's about looking like they are doing 'something,' the same with these silly reopening 'phases'. It's to comfort people. There's plenty of evidence out there that masks do very little to curb the spread of infectious respiratory diseases. I'm just pointing that out, that's all.

I was a lot more skittish about this when it began - yet then seeing the second order effects and people still harping on keeping the world magically locked down, destroying lives further, has made me angry. I see friends with agoraphobia, convinced they leave their house they will contract this and die, with 100% probability. Friends who have not been able to get their medical treatment because it's considered 'elective,' like a tumor removal or heart surgery or therapy. Friends who have killed themselves due to losing their jobs, and these jobs are never coming back. People diagnosed with cancer - alone - because nobody can come into the empty hospital, where there are next to no patients. Hell, a surgeon telling me a story of an oncologist friend of his - he lost 2 patients because they could not be given their surgeries. It was elective - for cancer! People dying alone in hospitals or nursing homes because nobody is allowed in. Kids not being educated. Abuse and assault skyrocketing, with no one to advocate for the victims. Businesses, people's livelihoods, gone forever. Those are my concerns. Far more than the virus, but our (USA) knee-jerk, hysterical reaction to it and the mental and economic trauma it has caused. It's pissed me off, and I know I can vent here without someone going wild on me calling me a murderer or a Trump supporter, lol.

Viruses suck. Flu sucks. This sucks. Colds suck. It's all rather crap, really, but part of being human. This isn't the Plague, though you would think the way we've destroyed the world economy, forced millions to be unemployed and many of those jobs won't come back, killed people though medical negligence (I'm sorry, your tumor removal surgery is elective even though our hospitals are empty!) and suicide, that it is. I had this in January, most likely - I got an antibody test and I carry the antibodies. I am also in a high-risk group, which is why I get my flu shot, especially after a nasty bout that did put me in the hospital. It was crappy, but it's always crappy being sick! If (general you) are so concerned about others infecting other people - then we may as well never leave our houses as we infect others with dangerous diseases all the time unknowingly. What about the person who maybe walked past me in an airport (I am assuming this is where I got it but it's a reach!) and infected me with this? That's just life.

Editing to add kc I'd try not to be so anxious about this, you'll be okay.  Hug I hate seeing so much fear in people.
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« Reply #1878 on: May 31, 2020, 07:42:59 AM »

I almost edited my post to take out the 'emotional harm' part because I knew you'd go for it. But yeah, it's been a hell of a situation to be put in and it's definitely hurt my trust in people and the level to which they care for others. As far as physical effects there is not an iota of doubt in my mind, and my doctor would agree, if they'd worn masks it would have saved two people from going to the hospital. My experience. Don't tell me how to live it.
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« Reply #1879 on: May 31, 2020, 09:24:49 AM »

In Australia the health services have been stressing that if you need to go to the doctor's for your health go - they have also been running a lot of telehealth services.

I have seen three specialists, had numerous tests and x-rays, had a visit to Emergency to confirm I had a light case of pneumonia (two cases in less than 10 months but the second one caught early enough that I could stay at home). My brother had to have an elective procedure on his heart a month or so back, which was done with no problems.

My orthopedic surgeon was even able to argue that four 'replacements' had to be done due to being life threatening - one was for a friend of mine, who lives alone and he believed that if it wasn't done that she would probably die either by taking her own life or by starvation. She had the physio and a social worker visit her at home every day after the surgery for the first six weeks.

I am glad I am in a country that set up a lot of services to ensure that many of the services that were being withdrawn during lock down could be provided in other ways - especially health ones and now we are close to opening up again with just over 100 deaths.

We have professional football back - a full round of rugby league about to finish later tonight and Aussie Rules back in a couple of weeks and working towards crowds in a month (1st July).

Pubs opening tomorrow for 50 patrons ... and I am joining some friends at our pub for lunch and a drink for the first time since the end of March.

My respiratory specialist has told me to wear a mask in public at all times, until there is a vaccine, as a protection as he doesn't want me to take the risk of getting another bout of pneumonia AND covid at the same time although the chances of getting covid in Sydney is almost nil as pretty well all our cases now are those in quarantine so in hotels with no contact with the general public (quarantine here refers to those in the hotels who have returned from overseas and must spend 14 days in these hotels with police and army ensuring they stay put ... one person didn't so found himself with a month in prison for his troubles). As a result the rest of us can pretty much return to normal now although no overseas, or even interstate, travel allowed ... possibly to NZ in July.

The interstate travel situation is funny. If you live in NSW or Victoria you can travel freely within and between those states from tomorrow. Both states are open to travellers from the other states but ... the other states are closed to us and anyone say from QLD who did visit NSW would have to go into 14 days of quarantine (they did initially have some exceptions for those who live on one side of the border and work on the other but I am not sure if that is still in place).

I am pleased to see our governments working hard to trying to restart the economy and coming up with projects to get things moving, such as announcing infrastructure projects and there is a concerted 'buy Australian' campaign to encourage Aussies to pay more for goods that are made here rather than pay for the cheap imports (especially from one particular country in Asia).

Lock down has been hard but with good friends, a loving puppy, great neighbours we are almost through the worst.

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« Reply #1880 on: May 31, 2020, 11:33:15 AM »

Ellie, I don't know where you live, but my country has been severely struck by whatever you choose  to call it : harmless virus,wee bug ... I don't care. I used to be skeptical, especially when I saw it happen so far away that you   didn't  even know if it was true or not. Then came Italy and the horror of it all. When I read that over 10,000 elderly people have died in nursing homes, people I know have died, health service workers close to me get back home after long excruciating shifts watching so many people suffer and die alone... well, the truth is: someone may be trying to scare the hell out of me (what I thought at first) , but I will follow the rules. 
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« Reply #1881 on: May 31, 2020, 03:23:01 PM »

Physical harm? No. Emotional harm? Sure, if it makes you feel better, go ahead! I think it should be an individual choice. If you want to wear one yourself, great. Wear it if it makes you feel better and more comfortable. We have places in this country where government has mandated people to wear one outside, no matter what. That's my objection, and has no basis in science. It's about looking like they are doing 'something,' the same with these silly reopening 'phases'. It's to comfort people. There's plenty of evidence out there that masks do very little to curb the spread of infectious respiratory diseases. I'm just pointing that out, that's all.

I was a lot more skittish about this when it began - yet then seeing the second order effects and people still harping on keeping the world magically locked down, destroying lives further, has made me angry. I see friends with agoraphobia, convinced they leave their house they will contract this and die, with 100% probability. Friends who have not been able to get their medical treatment because it's considered 'elective,' like a tumor removal or heart surgery or therapy. Friends who have killed themselves due to losing their jobs, and these jobs are never coming back. People diagnosed with cancer - alone - because nobody can come into the empty hospital, where there are next to no patients. Hell, a surgeon telling me a story of an oncologist friend of his - he lost 2 patients because they could not be given their surgeries. It was elective - for cancer! People dying alone in hospitals or nursing homes because nobody is allowed in. Kids not being educated. Abuse and assault skyrocketing, with no one to advocate for the victims. Businesses, people's livelihoods, gone forever. Those are my concerns. Far more than the virus, but our (USA) knee-jerk, hysterical reaction to it and the mental and economic trauma it has caused. It's pissed me off, and I know I can vent here without someone going wild on me calling me a murderer or a Trump supporter, lol.

Viruses suck. Flu sucks. This sucks. Colds suck. It's all rather crap, really, but part of being human. This isn't the Plague, though you would think the way we've destroyed the world economy, forced millions to be unemployed and many of those jobs won't come back, killed people though medical negligence (I'm sorry, your tumor removal surgery is elective even though our hospitals are empty!) and suicide, that it is. I had this in January, most likely - I got an antibody test and I carry the antibodies. I am also in a high-risk group, which is why I get my flu shot, especially after a nasty bout that did put me in the hospital. It was crappy, but it's always crappy being sick! If (general you) are so concerned about others infecting other people - then we may as well never leave our houses as we infect others with dangerous diseases all the time unknowingly. What about the person who maybe walked past me in an airport (I am assuming this is where I got it but it's a reach!) and infected me with this? That's just life.

Editing to add kc I'd try not to be so anxious about this, you'll be okay.  Hug I hate seeing so much fear in people.

Do whatever keeps you in good health and does not endanger others, Ellie. That is the least that can be done by the public. The economy is opening up in many parts of the world to avoid collapse and starvation. No idea about China (now  the top Chinese epidemiologist says the virus did not escape into the human population from wet markets). Italy, Spain have shown us how bad it can get.
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« Reply #1882 on: May 31, 2020, 09:18:56 PM »

I am in Texas in healthcare and weve had five people I work with  get sick with Covid luckily just mild symptoms. My sister is a labor and delivery nurse in Houston and they had a 17-year-old show up in the ER 30 weeks pregnant with a dead baby and she is Covid positive in DIC and is barely hanging on
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« Reply #1883 on: May 31, 2020, 09:22:07 PM »

Masks and social distancing aren't recommended by any major organization or medical journals... I read a fascinating article about how social distancing as a concept was come up with by a 14 year old in a high school project, which was published because her father was a statistical modeler. NYT reported on it back in 2006 during the avian flu and then again on H1N1 and everyone pooh-poohed it because it's not sustainable and does nothing.

I only wear a mask if I am required to do so to enter a facility. I sure wouldn't wear one outside! It's been dreadfully hot here so I wanted a slush at a convenience store, but I guess the virus hides in the slush machine because they were closed. Other stores can reopen, but they don't because there's no reason to with all these silly restrictions that IMO have no basis in reality. I've read far too much about scientists looking at these lockdowns and you know what? Negligible impact on the spread of a virus. A virus is gonna do what a virus is gonna do. Increase hygiene and take care of yourselves! We were lucky this one's IFR is something like 0.3%.

I'm glad things are going back to normal. I'm not gonna go in for this "new normal" crap.
As of May 29 the cdc does recommend them
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« Reply #1884 on: May 31, 2020, 09:28:26 PM »

Masks and social distancing aren't recommended by any major organization or medical journals... I read a fascinating article about how social distancing as a concept was come up with by a 14 year old in a high school project, which was published because her father was a statistical modeler. NYT reported on it back in 2006 during the avian flu and then again on H1N1 and everyone pooh-poohed it because it's not sustainable and does nothing.

I only wear a mask if I am required to do so to enter a facility. I sure wouldn't wear one outside! It's been dreadfully hot here so I wanted a slush at a convenience store, but I guess the virus hides in the slush machine because they were closed. Other stores can reopen, but they don't because there's no reason to with all these silly restrictions that IMO have no basis in reality. I've read far too much about scientists looking at these lockdowns and you know what? Negligible impact on the spread of a virus. A virus is gonna do what a virus is gonna do. Increase hygiene and take care of yourselves! We were lucky this one's IFR is something like 0.3%.

I'm glad things are going back to normal. I'm not gonna go in for this "new normal" crap.

I do not want to cause an argument Ellie but I want to answer.

At the start the W.H.O was worrying that recommending that the people wear a mask would cause 'stock-piling' and lead to a shortage for medical staff. Also that the people might believe that a mask alone would replace the need to wash the hands and social distance. I do not think they ever said that people must not wear masks. Wearing masks here (Ireland) is not (yet) mandatory but it has been clear that we do not wear them to protect ourselves from catching the disease but to stop - or at least to slow - the spread of droplets from ourselves to other. It is also the idea behind the slogan 'MY mask protects YOU'.

Also referring to the high school project that you have talked about before I will say again that all of the other countries that have chosen lockdown and distancing (and/or not masks) are not likely to be working from or even to be aware of this project, and I will mention countries like Vietnam with 0 deaths, New Zealand with 22, Australia with 103 ....

I believe that countries that were slow to take action will find it very difficult to get started again and it is so sad.

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« Reply #1885 on: May 31, 2020, 10:13:10 PM »

Masks and social distancing aren't recommended by any major organization or medical journals... I read a fascinating article about how social distancing as a concept was come up with by a 14 year old in a high school project, which was published because her father was a statistical modeler. NYT reported on it back in 2006 during the avian flu and then again on H1N1 and everyone pooh-poohed it because it's not sustainable and does nothing.

I only wear a mask if I am required to do so to enter a facility. I sure wouldn't wear one outside! It's been dreadfully hot here so I wanted a slush at a convenience store, but I guess the virus hides in the slush machine because they were closed. Other stores can reopen, but they don't because there's no reason to with all these silly restrictions that IMO have no basis in reality. I've read far too much about scientists looking at these lockdowns and you know what? Negligible impact on the spread of a virus. A virus is gonna do what a virus is gonna do. Increase hygiene and take care of yourselves! We were lucky this one's IFR is something like 0.3%.

I'm glad things are going back to normal. I'm not gonna go in for this "new normal" crap.

I do not want to cause an argument Ellie but I want to answer.

At the start the W.H.O was worrying that recommending that the people wear a mask would cause 'stock-piling' and lead to a shortage for medical staff. Also that the people might believe that a mask alone would replace the need to wash the hands and social distance. I do not think they ever said that people must not wear masks. Wearing masks here (Ireland) is not (yet) mandatory but it has been clear that we do not wear them to protect ourselves from catching the disease but to stop - or at least to slow - the spread of droplets from ourselves to other. It is also the idea behind the slogan 'MY mask protects YOU'.

Also referring to the high school project that you have talked about before I will say again that all of the other countries that have chosen lockdown and distancing (and/or not masks) are not likely to be working from or even to be aware of this project, and I will mention countries like Vietnam with 0 deaths, New Zealand with 22, Australia with 103 ....

I believe that countries that were slow to take action will find it very difficult to get started again and it is so sad.



Star I also have several immune-compromised relatives, and I'd hate to think they get infected because someone doesn't feel like wearing a mask. Yes, wearing one is annoying and hot, but I'll put it on for the 20 minutes I'm at the grocery store if it means protecting someone else's family member. I've been pleasantly surprised at the number of people who are wearing them out in my town too.
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« Reply #1886 on: May 31, 2020, 11:48:42 PM »

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At the start the W.H.O was worrying that recommending that the people wear a mask would cause 'stock-piling' and lead to a shortage for medical staff. Also that the people might believe that a mask alone would replace the need to wash the hands and social distance. I do not think they ever said that people must not wear masks. Wearing masks here (Ireland) is not (yet) mandatory but it has been clear that we do not wear them to protect ourselves from catching the disease but to stop - or at least to slow - the spread of droplets from ourselves to other. It is also the idea behind the slogan 'MY mask protects YOU'.

Also referring to the high school project that you have talked about before I will say again that all of the other countries that have chosen lockdown and distancing (and/or not masks) are not likely to be working from or even to be aware of this project, and I will mention countries like Vietnam with 0 deaths, New Zealand with 22, Australia with 103 ....

I believe that countries that were slow to take action will find it very difficult to get started again and it is so sad.


I clearly recollect the WHO explicitly stating that masks were not required despite evidence emerging from Hong Kong on the role masks were playing in decreasing the rate of transmission.By the time the WHO did an about turn, damage done. Did the WHO have to mislead the public about the role masks could play reducing transmission or exposure? Governments could easily have commandeered N95 supplies in their countries for exclusive medical personnel.  Misleading the public was diabolical, IMHO. I don't think a single Italian or Spaniard believe that the IFR of 0.3% (where does that figure come from? I have seen much higher figures) can explain the devastation in their countries. That is the tyranny of averages.

The problem with this virus is that we have never seen another virus better "evolved" to get past our innate defences. By the time our bodies figure out that we have been infiltrated, we find ourselves caught up in a blaze of friendly fire if our immune system is depressed.There are many studies that indicate a relationship between exposure to lower doses of the virus and reduced severity of outcomes. So if there is anything that can decrease the scale of the infiltration why not use it?

In addition, this virus is characterized by a long incubation period during which people can be asymptomatic. During this period, masks protect everyone else from us. So if there is anything that can keep others safe why  not use it?

 Star Mariola: MY MASK PROTECTS YOU
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« Reply #1887 on: June 01, 2020, 01:22:34 PM »

You know, the difficulty with this virus is that every person/population/region/country has such vastly differering experiences that it's almost impossible to fully grasp another person's experience.

My mom (78) lives in the north of NL. Her lungs aren't the best, so she stuck to social distancing, which for her was exercising outdoors early in the morning, seeing friends only outside of their houses (talking over the hedge at 2 metres distance), going to the supermarket in quiet hours and a LOT of gardening and Netflix. No meeting ppl indoors at all. She regularly visits us to hug Lil'P and The Pomster, but we didn't meet her from early March until last Thursday. Just to be on the safe side. Yet, in her area (say 40 mins drive either way) only a handful of ppl got infected and none died. The local hospitals took in patients from the south. The group of students from the north that went skiing in Italy (on the border with France, hundreds of kms away from Lombardy/Dolomiti where the first hotspot was) were there before the full lockdown took place, but when only parts of Italy were locked down. None of them tested positive btw.

Contrast this with my SIL and BIL who live in the south (also a 1.5 hour drive away from us). It's carnival country, and most covid-cases were here. Thousands got infected during the carnival parties (21-25 February, which was the same week that the south/middle had their spring (skiing) school holiday; which btw was from 15-22 Feb in the north, so basically families with kids weren't the ones that caught it in Italy/Ischgl and spread it during carnival, because carnival was over once they got back).
Subsequently, thousands more got infected (this was going on before the full lockdown in Itay happened. Italy closed around March 8 IIRC, so a week after the skiers returned.

We went into social distancing mode in the south at the end of Feb and in countrywide semi-lockdown by March 13 (schools March 16). This included social distancing, work from home, all education and childcare closed, no visits to care homes, many businesses (temporarily) closed.
Still my ILs saw no harm in letting their daughters have a string of mini-birthday parties (with max. 2 visitors at one time) for their birthdays, indoors, without 1.5 metre distancing (I have the pics to prove it), in the weekend of 28/29 March!  Fortunately none of them got sick.

Needless to say we politely declined the invitation. We spent lockdown working from home, we had our kids completely grounded apart form a trip to the icecream parlor takeaway or a bike ride around the woods, for almost 2 months. No sports, only online meetups with friends. We did have the occasional visitor but they stayed outside or well over 1.5 metres away if in the home. Shopping - always alone, at the quiet hours. We spent a lot of time outside in the garden, and the Pomster had full days of online school anyway. We only had cabin fever in the first week. No hoarding at all.

All of these different stories sound like total paradise compared to the woes, fears, stress, worries, catastrophes and acts of fortitude many of you or your loved ones went through. Simply because our experiences were rather rosy, millions of others have suffered and are suffering. This is not the place to judge who had it worse, or who's overreacting. All I can offer is my sympathy and love and a big hug to encourage you all.
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« Reply #1888 on: June 01, 2020, 02:23:32 PM »

There is a huge fear now with health officials that their will be a new surge in the United States with these protests. I know many people are wearing masks but they still touch their noses etc and the virus can be spread.
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« Reply #1889 on: June 01, 2020, 06:18:34 PM »

Second Ebola outbreak strikes Congo

https://thehill.com/polic...la-outbreak-strikes-congo

This comes not only on top of the Covid 19 pandemic, but also the world largest outbreak of measles in the DRC.

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