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« Reply #165 on: August 20, 2020, 11:32:33 AM »

I'm in trouble as I only eat white bread.  Laughing

I'm glad Joachim is out of the hospital doing well.

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My father is overweight and especially in the '90s and early 2000s he was often told by others (non medical) that he would develop heart complaints (due to his weight). In his work- and personal environment, there were several cases of heart problems in people with overweight; fatty diet and / or regulary consuming alcohol. But he did relatively well, some complaints here and there, but one couldn't really find anything (serious). Much to the surprise of many, an older brother of my dad, the slimmest of all the siblings, had a heart attack. He fortunately survived, and is still doning well.

But at 2010 luck was done for my father. He felt that it was not right, but at first the medical staff could not find anything concrete. Suddenly it went quickly and within 2 weeks after he ended up in hospital, he received a 3 fold bypass via open heart surgery. According to the anecdote, the surgery took a little longer than expected because the surgeon had difficulty removing a necessary vein from my father's leg due to the muscularity there. My dad has recovered well from the surgery. And he could already go home after 3 days! For some people in his surroundings this operation was a confirmation what they had said in the '90s and/or early 2000s. At least it felt like that for them. In comparison to other heart patients in the hospital my dad did very, very well. So his general condition was relatively well.

Since then he has been under regular control of medical staff and is doing relatively well. He had a few cardioversion procedures done, due to some errors in his heart ritme. And it was already known that he would most likely need treatment / an operation again because of calcification of a heart valve. Last year the time had come, the heart valve in question was replaced. Recovery went a bit slower, but still relatively fast (in comparison to other patients).

Based on what most people see superficially (looks, diet etc), they assume that my father is likely to have cardiovascular problems. There they are confirmed by the above. However, many, even medical staff, are surprised by his muscle strength and general condition. Especially in combination with his age (> 70 years). I assume natural predisposition in combination with someone who has always remained physically active (work, his garden, his animals, etc.).

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« Reply #166 on: August 20, 2020, 01:13:57 PM »

Joachim just had major surgery with consequences that we donít know (rightly so) so I will cut him some slack if he looks like shit(he probably feels it too).
In Cyprus we always have salted breakfast, cheese, butter, tomatoes, olives, cold meats and traditional coffee.
My first years in the continent (milan) were a cultural shock. Italians love their breakfast sweet I mean really sweet i got use to it but i still remember my friends looking me weirdly went i was ordering a sandwich for breakfast. I got used to it at the point where you will see me buy a croissant with cream non the less. I cant speak for other countries but from what I know both Cyprus and italy have various white bread types made in a more traditional and healthy way. Slice bread its not something that I usually see.
Anyhow considering his health scare and his position I will say that Joachim must be follow by a group of doctors that know what is best for him.

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« Reply #167 on: August 20, 2020, 02:02:02 PM »

I've just spent 3 days in hospital after an extreme allergic reaction and subsequent shock .... shaking uncontrollably and then a blackout... there was no monitoring of my diet but loads of blood tests and others so I guess that if I chose something inappropriate it would not have been available...... I'm trying to eat better now as poor diet and dehydration was a major factor to me passing out ... the cause of the allergic reaction is yet to be determined
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« Reply #168 on: August 20, 2020, 02:12:18 PM »

I've just spent 3 days in hospital after an extreme allergic reaction and subsequent shock .... shaking uncontrollably and then a blackout... there was no monitoring of my diet but loads of blood tests and others so I guess that if I chose something inappropriate it would not have been available...... I'm trying to eat better now as poor diet and dehydration was a major factor to me passing out ... the cause of the allergic reaction is yet to be determined

You poor thing! Rest up and get well! ❤️
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« Reply #169 on: August 20, 2020, 03:48:29 PM »

I've just spent 3 days in hospital after an extreme allergic reaction and subsequent shock .... shaking uncontrollably and then a blackout... there was no monitoring of my diet but loads of blood tests and others so I guess that if I chose something inappropriate it would not have been available...... I'm trying to eat better now as poor diet and dehydration was a major factor to me passing out ... the cause of the allergic reaction is yet to be determined

You poor thing! Rest up and get well! ❤️

Thankyou - I shared this as anyone can get a sudden episode of bad health .... and the diagnosis and recovery can be a long journey .... and as for medication .....
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« Reply #170 on: August 20, 2020, 04:17:56 PM »

I've just spent 3 days in hospital after an extreme allergic reaction and subsequent shock .... shaking uncontrollably and then a blackout... there was no monitoring of my diet but loads of blood tests and others so I guess that if I chose something inappropriate it would not have been available...... I'm trying to eat better now as poor diet and dehydration was a major factor to me passing out ... the cause of the allergic reaction is yet to be determined

Oh dear, take care & the rest!  Hug
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« Reply #171 on: August 20, 2020, 04:33:43 PM »

I've just spent 3 days in hospital after an extreme allergic reaction and subsequent shock .... shaking uncontrollably and then a blackout... there was no monitoring of my diet but loads of blood tests and others so I guess that if I chose something inappropriate it would not have been available...... I'm trying to eat better now as poor diet and dehydration was a major factor to me passing out ... the cause of the allergic reaction is yet to be determined

Oh dear, take care & the rest!  Hug

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« Reply #172 on: August 20, 2020, 04:34:34 PM »

I've just spent 3 days in hospital after an extreme allergic reaction and subsequent shock .... shaking uncontrollably and then a blackout... there was no monitoring of my diet but loads of blood tests and others so I guess that if I chose something inappropriate it would not have been available...... I'm trying to eat better now as poor diet and dehydration was a major factor to me passing out ... the cause of the allergic reaction is yet to be determined

You poor thing! Rest up and get well! ❤️

Thankyou - I shared this as anyone can get a sudden episode of bad health .... and the diagnosis and recovery can be a long journey .... and as for medication .....

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« Reply #173 on: August 20, 2020, 04:39:30 PM »

I've just spent 3 days in hospital after an extreme allergic reaction and subsequent shock .... shaking uncontrollably and then a blackout... there was no monitoring of my diet but loads of blood tests and others so I guess that if I chose something inappropriate it would not have been available...... I'm trying to eat better now as poor diet and dehydration was a major factor to me passing out ... the cause of the allergic reaction is yet to be determined

Yikes! How scary. Rest and RD is here for you.  Yes
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« Reply #174 on: August 20, 2020, 05:25:29 PM »

I've just spent 3 days in hospital after an extreme allergic reaction and subsequent shock .... shaking uncontrollably and then a blackout... there was no monitoring of my diet but loads of blood tests and others so I guess that if I chose something inappropriate it would not have been available...... I'm trying to eat better now as poor diet and dehydration was a major factor to me passing out ... the cause of the allergic reaction is yet to be determined

Yikes! How scary. Rest and RD is here for you.  Yes

Many good thoughts sent your way for rest, comfort and a speedy diagnosisis of the cause.  Hug
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« Reply #175 on: August 20, 2020, 08:01:12 PM »

I've just spent 3 days in hospital after an extreme allergic reaction and subsequent shock .... shaking uncontrollably and then a blackout... there was no monitoring of my diet but loads of blood tests and others so I guess that if I chose something inappropriate it would not have been available...... I'm trying to eat better now as poor diet and dehydration was a major factor to me passing out ... the cause of the allergic reaction is yet to be determined

My goodness Princess, that is so scary! I'm very sorry that you had to go through that Sad Sending positive energy and hugs your way, will keep you in my thoughts. Please take good care, you're missed when you aren't here. Hug
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« Reply #176 on: August 20, 2020, 10:44:29 PM »

Joachim just had major surgery with consequences that we donít know (rightly so) so I will cut him some slack if he looks like shit(he probably feels it too).
In Cyprus we always have salted breakfast, cheese, butter, tomatoes, olives, cold meats and traditional coffee.
My first years in the continent (milan) were a cultural shock. Italians love their breakfast sweet I mean really sweet i got use to it but i still remember my friends looking me weirdly went i was ordering a sandwich for breakfast. I got used to it at the point where you will see me buy a croissant with cream non the less. I cant speak for other countries but from what I know both Cyprus and italy have various white bread types made in a more traditional and healthy way. Slice bread its not something that I usually see.
Anyhow considering his health scare and his position I will say that Joachim must be follow by a group of doctors that know what is best for him.

That was a fascinating read, Zazoo. It reminds me of a book based on Da Vinci's diet, revealed through his prolific writings and accounting of household expenditure (he may or may not have been a vegetarian but lunch was often mainly a slice of cheese slapped between thick chunks / slices of bread). Yes, bread was made very differently then.

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The Diet Code?

Much like in The Da Vinci Code, in which a symbologist uncovers a code in the paintings of Leonardo da Vinci, Stephen Lanzalotta, a baker from Portland, Maine, and the author of The Diet Code, says he has cracked a similar code in the foods we eat and that understanding this code can help people lose weight and feel better.
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A seasoned baker, Lanzalotta was almost run out of town when the Atkins low-carb craze erupted. But, he says, "it can't be bread that is making us fat or it would have happened a long time ago. In the Renaissance, bread was a major part of the diet."
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"The golden ratio occurs everywhere in nature and humans are part of the natural world, so it is very familiar," Lanzalotta says. However, no one has applied it to eating until now. "I applied it to baking bread and portioning ingredients as well as the diet," he says. In a nutshell, each meal should comprise one part grain carbohydrate, two parts protein, and three parts vegetables.
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Back to Jokke and Fred: brothers breaking bread sounds beautiful - perhaps that's the story.
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« Reply #177 on: August 20, 2020, 11:24:12 PM »

Princess MS: all the best to you. It is a very good reminder of how important it is to take care of yourself. Bad nutrition and not enough fluids is so common in our stressful and hectic life styles - yet in our societies of plenty so easy to get around. Get well soon and rest...
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« Reply #178 on: August 20, 2020, 11:36:36 PM »

Joachim just had major surgery with consequences that we donít know (rightly so) so I will cut him some slack if he looks like shit(he probably feels it too).
In Cyprus we always have salted breakfast, cheese, butter, tomatoes, olives, cold meats and traditional coffee.
My first years in the continent (milan) were a cultural shock. Italians love their breakfast sweet I mean really sweet i got use to it but i still remember my friends looking me weirdly went i was ordering a sandwich for breakfast. I got used to it at the point where you will see me buy a croissant with cream non the less. I cant speak for other countries but from what I know both Cyprus and italy have various white bread types made in a more traditional and healthy way. Slice bread its not something that I usually see.
Anyhow considering his health scare and his position I will say that Joachim must be follow by a group of doctors that know what is best for him.

That was a fascinating read, Zazoo. It reminds me of a book based on Da Vinci's diet, revealed through his prolific writings and accounting of household expenditure (he may or may not have been a vegetarian but lunch was often mainly a slice of cheese slapped between thick chunks / slices of bread). Yes, bread was made very differently then.

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https://www.webmd.com/foo...es/da-vinci-health-code#1
The Diet Code?

Much like in The Da Vinci Code, in which a symbologist uncovers a code in the paintings of Leonardo da Vinci, Stephen Lanzalotta, a baker from Portland, Maine, and the author of The Diet Code, says he has cracked a similar code in the foods we eat and that understanding this code can help people lose weight and feel better.
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A seasoned baker, Lanzalotta was almost run out of town when the Atkins low-carb craze erupted. But, he says, "it can't be bread that is making us fat or it would have happened a long time ago. In the Renaissance, bread was a major part of the diet."
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"The golden ratio occurs everywhere in nature and humans are part of the natural world, so it is very familiar," Lanzalotta says. However, no one has applied it to eating until now. "I applied it to baking bread and portioning ingredients as well as the diet," he says. In a nutshell, each meal should comprise one part grain carbohydrate, two parts protein, and three parts vegetables.
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Back to Jokke and Fred: brothers breaking bread sounds beautiful - perhaps that's the story.

Yes, bread was made differently back then, but the biggest difference was in agriculture. The wheat that is grown now is vastly different to what was grown back then, and that is one of the reason there has been such a rise in intolerance - it has been hybridised and modified to be more resistant to things like mould and bugs, to achieve a higher yield from the crop. However this has also made it harder to digest! We have also replaced many basic, natural ingredients with fake, highly processed ones (butter vs hydrogenated fats for example). The massive rise in obesity happens to coincide with the introduction of much of this highly processed ďfoodĒ.

This does seem to be less of an issue in European countries, where they tend to stick to more traditional diets and farming practises, and still eat more seasonally.
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« Reply #179 on: August 20, 2020, 11:39:22 PM »

You should see a bakery here: never knew there were so many different ways to make bread....
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