Danish Prince Joachim, 51, had to go to hospital in Toulouse, France

[PeDe]

You should see a bakery here: never knew there were so many different ways to make bread....

  I miss a good bakery here...hell, any bakery. All the different breads, semmeln, bretzeln, bretzel stangen  ....all the bread here is just crap....AAAAAH, I could cry

[Chandrasekhi]

Joachim just had major surgery with consequences that we don’t know (rightly so) so I will cut him some slack if he looks like shit(he probably feels it too).
In Cyprus we always have salted breakfast, cheese, butter, tomatoes, olives, cold meats and traditional coffee.
My first years in the continent (milan) were a cultural shock. Italians love their breakfast sweet I mean really sweet i got use to it but i still remember my friends looking me weirdly went i was ordering a sandwich for breakfast. I got used to it at the point where you will see me buy a croissant with cream non the less. I cant speak for other countries but from what I know both Cyprus and italy have various white bread types made in a more traditional and healthy way. Slice bread its not something that I usually see.
Anyhow considering his health scare and his position I will say that Joachim must be follow by a group of doctors that know what is best for him.

That was a fascinating read, Zazoo. It reminds me of a book based on Da Vinci's diet, revealed through his prolific writings and accounting of household expenditure (he may or may not have been a vegetarian but lunch was often mainly a slice of cheese slapped between thick chunks / slices of bread). Yes, bread was made very differently then.

https://www.webmd.com/foo...es/da-vinci-health-code#1
The Diet Code?

Much like in The Da Vinci Code, in which a symbologist uncovers a code in the paintings of Leonardo da Vinci, Stephen Lanzalotta, a baker from Portland, Maine, and the author of The Diet Code, says he has cracked a similar code in the foods we eat and that understanding this code can help people lose weight and feel better.
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A seasoned baker, Lanzalotta was almost run out of town when the Atkins low-carb craze erupted. But, he says, "it can't be bread that is making us fat or it would have happened a long time ago. In the Renaissance, bread was a major part of the diet."
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"The golden ratio occurs everywhere in nature and humans are part of the natural world, so it is very familiar," Lanzalotta says. However, no one has applied it to eating until now. "I applied it to baking bread and portioning ingredients as well as the diet," he says. In a nutshell, each meal should comprise one part grain carbohydrate, two parts protein, and three parts vegetables.
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Back to Jokke and Fred: brothers breaking bread sounds beautiful - perhaps that's the story.

Yes, bread was made differently back then, but the biggest difference was in agriculture. The wheat that is grown now is vastly different to what was grown back then, and that is one of the reason there has been such a rise in intolerance - it has been hybridised and modified to be more resistant to things like mould and bugs, to achieve a higher yield from the crop. However this has also made it harder to digest! We have also replaced many basic, natural ingredients with fake, highly processed ones (butter vs hydrogenated fats for example). The massive rise in obesity happens to coincide with the introduction of much of this highly processed “food”.

This does seem to be less of an issue in European countries, where they tend to stick to more traditional diets and farming practises, and still eat more seasonally.

ITA, emtishell. Add to that the processing of wheat: stone-ground vs milled, unbleached vs bleached, instant vs live yeast cultures   .
A lovely article on healthier bread:
https://www.goodfood.com....-the-rise-20170511-gw35g5

[Chandrasekhi]

You should see a bakery here: never knew there were so many different ways to make bread....

  I miss a good bakery here...hell, any bakery. All the different breads, semmeln, bretzeln, bretzel stangen  ....all the bread here is just crap....AAAAAH, I could cry

I've given up the ghost, PeDe: instead, I've found a range of stone-ground, unbleached flour and invested in a bread-maker to staunch the track of my tears: life without bread is worse than life without cake.

[anastasia beaverhausen]

You should see a bakery here: never knew there were so many different ways to make bread....

  I miss a good bakery here...hell, any bakery. All the different breads, semmeln, bretzeln, bretzel stangen  ....all the bread here is just crap....AAAAAH, I could cry

I've given up the ghost, PeDe: instead, I've found a range of stone-ground, unbleached flour and invested in a bread-maker to staunch the track of my tears: life without bread is worse than life without cake.

Nods head as she munches on gluten free pretzels.

[Lady Liebe]

You should see a bakery here: never knew there were so many different ways to make bread....

  I miss a good bakery here...hell, any bakery. All the different breads, semmeln, bretzeln, bretzel stangen  ....all the bread here is just crap....AAAAAH, I could cry

I've given up the ghost, PeDe: instead, I've found a range of stone-ground, unbleached flour and invested in a bread-maker to staunch the track of my tears: life without bread is worse than life without cake.

I spent the afternoon - on and off - baking our usual bread. It has an oatmeal base then includes unbleached and whole wheat flour plus 12 other kinds of flour and a whole host of seeds and flakes. The house smells terrific, and the bread is both delicious and healthy.

[esther angeline]

I've just spent 3 days in hospital after an extreme allergic reaction and subsequent shock .... shaking uncontrollably and then a blackout... there was no monitoring of my diet but loads of blood tests and others so I guess that if I chose something inappropriate it would not have been available...... I'm trying to eat better now as poor diet and dehydration was a major factor to me passing out ... the cause of the allergic reaction is yet to be determined

Take care of yourself !  We need you here at RD!!!

[anastasia beaverhausen]

I've just spent 3 days in hospital after an extreme allergic reaction and subsequent shock .... shaking uncontrollably and then a blackout... there was no monitoring of my diet but loads of blood tests and others so I guess that if I chose something inappropriate it would not have been available...... I'm trying to eat better now as poor diet and dehydration was a major factor to me passing out ... the cause of the allergic reaction is yet to be determined

Take care of yourself !  We need you here at RD!!!

Oh my god - I completely missed this. Please take care of yourself Princess!

[Ghost]

Get well soon, Princess!


Regarding the diet/bread - all the hailed diets (mediteranean, japanese, etc) include a good chunk of bread or carbs.
I love baking bread - the kneading, the rising are so soothing! Never use instant yeast. I think moderation is the best red tape. And avoiding processed food.

[Principessa]

Just like its neighbours the Netherlands are more a bread country of origin. At least two times a day a meal with bread, predominantly slices of bread with toppings. As expected plenty of cheese, but also our well known chocolate sprinkles (hagelslag)



Currently there is a lot of improvement possible with regard to my diet. But up till now still no known allergies or intolorances.


In my opinion, you can go a long way with better nutritional patterns. In addition, even more improvements in lifestyle are possible (and improve health and well being): reduction of stress, more excercise, etc.  But also as expected nature also plays a role.

[leatherface]

I've just spent 3 days in hospital after an extreme allergic reaction and subsequent shock .... shaking uncontrollably and then a blackout... there was no monitoring of my diet but loads of blood tests and others so I guess that if I chose something inappropriate it would not have been available...... I'm trying to eat better now as poor diet and dehydration was a major factor to me passing out ... the cause of the allergic reaction is yet to be determined

 

I'm so sorry Princess MS, feel better soon.

[Princess MS]

Thankyou everyone for your kind words and support.... I go to the Doctor tomorrow and will have the conversation about what comes next ..... I love this space and the positive feedback from those who care

[Chandrasekhi]

You should see a bakery here: never knew there were so many different ways to make bread....

  I miss a good bakery here...hell, any bakery. All the different breads, semmeln, bretzeln, bretzel stangen  ....all the bread here is just crap....AAAAAH, I could cry

I've given up the ghost, PeDe: instead, I've found a range of stone-ground, unbleached flour and invested in a bread-maker to staunch the track of my tears: life without bread is worse than life without cake.

Nods head as she munches on gluten free pretzels.

A lovely gluten free recipe for idli (steamed rice "cakes")  for you, AB. Another ode to the practice of fermentation in food preparation as a digestive aid.
https://www.glutenfreeindian.com/rice-idli-recipe/

[anastasia beaverhausen]

You should see a bakery here: never knew there were so many different ways to make bread....

  I miss a good bakery here...hell, any bakery. All the different breads, semmeln, bretzeln, bretzel stangen  ....all the bread here is just crap....AAAAAH, I could cry

I've given up the ghost, PeDe: instead, I've found a range of stone-ground, unbleached flour and invested in a bread-maker to staunch the track of my tears: life without bread is worse than life without cake.

Nods head as she munches on gluten free pretzels.

A lovely gluten free recipe for idli (steamed rice "cakes")  for you, AB. Another ode to the practice of fermentation in food preparation as a digestive aid.
https://www.glutenfreeindian.com/rice-idli-recipe/

Thanks Chandra 

[Paulina]

Those look delicious!

[anastasia beaverhausen]

Those look delicious!

They do!  I have been searching the Indian carry outs around me for them. No luck so far, but I’m still trying.