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« Reply #225 on: April 25, 2021, 05:36:49 PM »

It's crazy considering it seems like the government there just wants to continue this indefinitely. Granted I do believe many of them DO wish to do so and for varying reasons but it will eventually be politically untenable and unsustainable economically... Here in the US the narrative is still: vaccines don't prevent transmission and don't even work but get one anyway, also no normal ever again unless kids get vaccinated and even then goalposts. So frustrating when we have working vaccines and amazing technology, we should be positive and ending this NOW but instead why? I think media also makes a lot of money out of the hysteria, the 24/7 scary news cycle that's been perpetuated since 9/11. I know people who won't let their kids leave the house still. Sad

I don't get the blood clot worries so much considering we women go through worse chances with them with our birth control pills. When you have SO many folks vaccinated at once like this and look at EVERY little thing I think it seems like it is a bigger issue than it is, and of course media pushes it as a huge issue as if it is something that will affect everyone.

I think you in Aus - example my friend who is American, she cannot leave and wishes to do so but were she a celebrity she could come and go if she pleased? It's completely crazy. I do not think open borders will happen with these policies ever, do they ever intend to open borders? No it seems like. What about Australians who want to go home? That's a human rights abuse imo. It is as if this is the Plague met Ebola and had a baby judging by our reaction.

Is this really the case (the bolded part)? I am so surprised because when I read US newspapers they are very pro-vaccine and of course they acknowledge that the vaccine is not a cure-all but that it is a very good safeguard and that is important that as many people as possible get it. The other 'narrative' seems to be from the GOP side?

I got the AZ just before there was a change in the recommendations for age. My cousin and my niece got the same and we all three have the same reaction. I do not know what we will get the second time.   
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« Reply #226 on: April 25, 2021, 06:21:36 PM »

We are producing AZ in Australia but we also had to send over a million doses to PNG to help with their major issue.

The organisation of getting the vaccine to the GPs has been an issue but GPs have to see their regular patients as well and many are limiting the number of vaccinations they will give per day e.g. my sister-in-laws GP is only do four per day between 5.00 and 6.00 p.m. If you are unable to see him during that time too bad and he has about 600 patients for his surgery so at 4 per day and 1200 to give he will take well over a year to vaccinate all his patients.

Then there are GPs like mine, part of a large medical practice with over 10,000 adult patients (over 30 GPs) who have decided to not participate at all.

The mistake was using GPs as the main distribution.

Now of course AZ isn't recommended to anyone under 50 and people over 50 are asking 'what is so magical about 50?' - especially those in their early 50s. Some older people are saying they will have pfizer or nothing but we aren't expecting anymore pfizer until October at the earliest.

Victoria opened three mass vaccination centres the other day but very few people turned up.

The media makes headline news of every blot clot case giving the details of the individual. With at least one death linked to the vaccine and possibly another it does raise questions about safety.

Yes our external borders will remain closed at least until the end of this year - but otherwise we are largely living normal lives with huge crowds at events, no masks etc. That is another issue - why take a risk on a vaccine when we are living normal lives.

We also have three state premiers, the ones who order lock downs, who insist on zero cases and every time there is a case they will lock down parts of their state. The other three state premiers are trying to let us learn to live with the virus but also know that a couple of cases in a neighbouring state could see the borders between states closed at a moment's notice. The Federal government doesn't control state borders, or health matters.

Health is a state matter so once the vaccine is with the state governments it is up to them to decide how to get it to their people.

Parts of WA are now in lock down because one person completed their 14 days of hotel quarantine ... tested negative before leaving the quarantine and then they went about their normal lives but after 5 days in the community they tested positive (raising the question about how they acquired the virus as well as the incubation period of the strain). This person then flew to Melbourne which is now watching to see if they have any new cases and if they do no doubt Melbourne will also return to lock down.

The AZ vaccine going to PNG is coming from Europe and not here - no AZ from Europe is going to be anytime soon... so "we" have not produced anything that is being diverted to there

The roll out has been awful or not happening .... this is not a State Govt issue - Morrison was quite clear he was in control. Or clearly not.

As for State Premiers - I remember the NSW one blocking anyone from Vic coming into the State for a long time and also is the one that let the infected cruise patients in as they had contacts in "high places" who also attended the same church.

As for "health" being a "State matter" yes - if you go to a public hospital it is State funded - but go to a GP it is very poorly partially funded by the Commonwealth Govt. If you need surgery then you go on a waiting list or pay yourself with almost no assistance as Medicare has been stripped of funding for years. And as GP's are the preferred method of the inept Health Minister Hunt to roll out the vaccine that is either not recommended for those under 50 or the others which are not available yet then I suggest you direct your concerns to him and not blame the State Ministers who offered to assist as clearly he is a dud. Even the NSW one did - Gladys stepped up when she saw how hopeless Winter was going to be.

I have enough sense to protect myself as best I can and enough smarts to see what the issues are and who is responsible ...




Simply not true, sorry. GPs are not allowed to charge a consultation fee to give the COVID vaccine. They bill the govt.

More generally, Iíve had amazing health care on Medicare with minimal gap fees. I have nil private health insurance - 100% public.

Not sure where you live but my brother has got the pfizer vaccines and did have to pay for the consultation. And if you get free medical service in a hospital for elective surgery including no out of pocket expenses from the specialist then you are lucky or on the Aged Pension
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« Reply #227 on: April 25, 2021, 07:04:51 PM »

It's crazy considering it seems like the government there just wants to continue this indefinitely. Granted I do believe many of them DO wish to do so and for varying reasons but it will eventually be politically untenable and unsustainable economically... Here in the US the narrative is still: vaccines don't prevent transmission and don't even work but get one anyway, also no normal ever again unless kids get vaccinated and even then goalposts. So frustrating when we have working vaccines and amazing technology, we should be positive and ending this NOW but instead why? I think media also makes a lot of money out of the hysteria, the 24/7 scary news cycle that's been perpetuated since 9/11. I know people who won't let their kids leave the house still. Sad

I don't get the blood clot worries so much considering we women go through worse chances with them with our birth control pills. When you have SO many folks vaccinated at once like this and look at EVERY little thing I think it seems like it is a bigger issue than it is, and of course media pushes it as a huge issue as if it is something that will affect everyone.

I think you in Aus - example my friend who is American, she cannot leave and wishes to do so but were she a celebrity she could come and go if she pleased? It's completely crazy. I do not think open borders will happen with these policies ever, do they ever intend to open borders? No it seems like. What about Australians who want to go home? That's a human rights abuse imo. It is as if this is the Plague met Ebola and had a baby judging by our reaction.

Is this really the case (the bolded part)? I am so surprised because when I read US newspapers they are very pro-vaccine and of course they acknowledge that the vaccine is not a cure-all but that it is a very good safeguard and that is important that as many people as possible get it. The other 'narrative' seems to be from the GOP side?

I got the AZ just before there was a change in the recommendations for age. My cousin and my niece got the same and we all three have the same reaction. I do not know what we will get the second time.   

Iím GOP and vaccinated. The message from most GOP is get the vaccine and if you got the vaccine act like it. Part of the problem with the vaccine is that even if you get it the message is nothing changes from the government.  Still have to mask. Still have to social distance. Still canít do anything. Add in the side effects/deaths some experience and people are wary.  Iím a nurse and half my floor has not gotten the vaccine, not bc theyíre GOP (many arenít)but because they donít trust it. Others who have had Covid wonder if they have anti bodies and donít need it. Add in social media about changing your DNA, tracking devices, Bill Gates, the experimental nature of it, etc and itís a problem. Even with all of this I think well over half the country has gotten it and it was only opened up to everyone over 16 a couple of weeks ago.
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« Reply #228 on: April 25, 2021, 07:42:20 PM »

It's crazy considering it seems like the government there just wants to continue this indefinitely. Granted I do believe many of them DO wish to do so and for varying reasons but it will eventually be politically untenable and unsustainable economically... Here in the US the narrative is still: vaccines don't prevent transmission and don't even work but get one anyway, also no normal ever again unless kids get vaccinated and even then goalposts. So frustrating when we have working vaccines and amazing technology, we should be positive and ending this NOW but instead why? I think media also makes a lot of money out of the hysteria, the 24/7 scary news cycle that's been perpetuated since 9/11. I know people who won't let their kids leave the house still. Sad

I don't get the blood clot worries so much considering we women go through worse chances with them with our birth control pills. When you have SO many folks vaccinated at once like this and look at EVERY little thing I think it seems like it is a bigger issue than it is, and of course media pushes it as a huge issue as if it is something that will affect everyone.

I think you in Aus - example my friend who is American, she cannot leave and wishes to do so but were she a celebrity she could come and go if she pleased? It's completely crazy. I do not think open borders will happen with these policies ever, do they ever intend to open borders? No it seems like. What about Australians who want to go home? That's a human rights abuse imo. It is as if this is the Plague met Ebola and had a baby judging by our reaction.

Is this really the case (the bolded part)? I am so surprised because when I read US newspapers they are very pro-vaccine and of course they acknowledge that the vaccine is not a cure-all but that it is a very good safeguard and that is important that as many people as possible get it. The other 'narrative' seems to be from the GOP side?

I got the AZ just before there was a change in the recommendations for age. My cousin and my niece got the same and we all three have the same reaction. I do not know what we will get the second time.   

Iím GOP and vaccinated. The message from most GOP is get the vaccine and if you got the vaccine act like it. Part of the problem with the vaccine is that even if you get it the message is nothing changes from the government.  Still have to mask. Still have to social distance. Still canít do anything. Add in the side effects/deaths some experience and people are wary.  Iím a nurse and half my floor has not gotten the vaccine, not bc theyíre GOP (many arenít)but because they donít trust it. Others who have had Covid wonder if they have anti bodies and donít need it. Add in social media about changing your DNA, tracking devices, Bill Gates, the experimental nature of it, etc and itís a problem. Even with all of this I think well over half the country has gotten it and it was only opened up to everyone over 16 a couple of weeks ago.

I donít want to wade too much into politics here, but the government has been pretty clear about why there is still a need to wear masks and practice social distancing - the vaccine helps you fight the virus if you catch it, but scientists still arenít positive what it means for actually catching the virus and therefore transmitting it. So, they ask people to think of do their neighbors who havenít been vaccinated yet and still protect them. As vaccine rates have gone up, I think theyíre starting to see that yes, transmission rates are going down so Iíd assume things will start changing. My governor is a Democrat and has said once we reach 67% of the state with at least one dose, we can open back up. Iím happy to do my part until then.
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« Reply #229 on: April 25, 2021, 07:48:56 PM »

We are producing AZ in Australia but we also had to send over a million doses to PNG to help with their major issue.

The organisation of getting the vaccine to the GPs has been an issue but GPs have to see their regular patients as well and many are limiting the number of vaccinations they will give per day e.g. my sister-in-laws GP is only do four per day between 5.00 and 6.00 p.m. If you are unable to see him during that time too bad and he has about 600 patients for his surgery so at 4 per day and 1200 to give he will take well over a year to vaccinate all his patients.

Then there are GPs like mine, part of a large medical practice with over 10,000 adult patients (over 30 GPs) who have decided to not participate at all.

The mistake was using GPs as the main distribution.

Now of course AZ isn't recommended to anyone under 50 and people over 50 are asking 'what is so magical about 50?' - especially those in their early 50s. Some older people are saying they will have pfizer or nothing but we aren't expecting anymore pfizer until October at the earliest.

Victoria opened three mass vaccination centres the other day but very few people turned up.

The media makes headline news of every blot clot case giving the details of the individual. With at least one death linked to the vaccine and possibly another it does raise questions about safety.

Yes our external borders will remain closed at least until the end of this year - but otherwise we are largely living normal lives with huge crowds at events, no masks etc. That is another issue - why take a risk on a vaccine when we are living normal lives.

We also have three state premiers, the ones who order lock downs, who insist on zero cases and every time there is a case they will lock down parts of their state. The other three state premiers are trying to let us learn to live with the virus but also know that a couple of cases in a neighbouring state could see the borders between states closed at a moment's notice. The Federal government doesn't control state borders, or health matters.

Health is a state matter so once the vaccine is with the state governments it is up to them to decide how to get it to their people.

Parts of WA are now in lock down because one person completed their 14 days of hotel quarantine ... tested negative before leaving the quarantine and then they went about their normal lives but after 5 days in the community they tested positive (raising the question about how they acquired the virus as well as the incubation period of the strain). This person then flew to Melbourne which is now watching to see if they have any new cases and if they do no doubt Melbourne will also return to lock down.

The AZ vaccine going to PNG is coming from Europe and not here - no AZ from Europe is going to be anytime soon... so "we" have not produced anything that is being diverted to there

The roll out has been awful or not happening .... this is not a State Govt issue - Morrison was quite clear he was in control. Or clearly not.

As for State Premiers - I remember the NSW one blocking anyone from Vic coming into the State for a long time and also is the one that let the infected cruise patients in as they had contacts in "high places" who also attended the same church.

As for "health" being a "State matter" yes - if you go to a public hospital it is State funded - but go to a GP it is very poorly partially funded by the Commonwealth Govt. If you need surgery then you go on a waiting list or pay yourself with almost no assistance as Medicare has been stripped of funding for years. And as GP's are the preferred method of the inept Health Minister Hunt to roll out the vaccine that is either not recommended for those under 50 or the others which are not available yet then I suggest you direct your concerns to him and not blame the State Ministers who offered to assist as clearly he is a dud. Even the NSW one did - Gladys stepped up when she saw how hopeless Winter was going to be.

I have enough sense to protect myself as best I can and enough smarts to see what the issues are and who is responsible ...




Simply not true, sorry. GPs are not allowed to charge a consultation fee to give the COVID vaccine. They bill the govt.

More generally, Iíve had amazing health care on Medicare with minimal gap fees. I have nil private health insurance - 100% public.

Not sure where you live but my brother has got the pfizer vaccines and did have to pay for the consultation. And if you get free medical service in a hospital for elective surgery including no out of pocket expenses from the specialist then you are lucky or on the Aged Pension

I am not on the aged pension.

Whichever doctor charged your brother was breaking the law and should be reported. https://www.health.gov.au...-for-the-covid-19-vaccine
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« Reply #230 on: April 25, 2021, 08:32:24 PM »

It's crazy considering it seems like the government there just wants to continue this indefinitely. Granted I do believe many of them DO wish to do so and for varying reasons but it will eventually be politically untenable and unsustainable economically... Here in the US the narrative is still: vaccines don't prevent transmission and don't even work but get one anyway, also no normal ever again unless kids get vaccinated and even then goalposts. So frustrating when we have working vaccines and amazing technology, we should be positive and ending this NOW but instead why? I think media also makes a lot of money out of the hysteria, the 24/7 scary news cycle that's been perpetuated since 9/11. I know people who won't let their kids leave the house still. Sad

I don't get the blood clot worries so much considering we women go through worse chances with them with our birth control pills. When you have SO many folks vaccinated at once like this and look at EVERY little thing I think it seems like it is a bigger issue than it is, and of course media pushes it as a huge issue as if it is something that will affect everyone.

I think you in Aus - example my friend who is American, she cannot leave and wishes to do so but were she a celebrity she could come and go if she pleased? It's completely crazy. I do not think open borders will happen with these policies ever, do they ever intend to open borders? No it seems like. What about Australians who want to go home? That's a human rights abuse imo. It is as if this is the Plague met Ebola and had a baby judging by our reaction.

Is this really the case (the bolded part)? I am so surprised because when I read US newspapers they are very pro-vaccine and of course they acknowledge that the vaccine is not a cure-all but that it is a very good safeguard and that is important that as many people as possible get it. The other 'narrative' seems to be from the GOP side?

I got the AZ just before there was a change in the recommendations for age. My cousin and my niece got the same and we all three have the same reaction. I do not know what we will get the second time.   

I’m GOP and vaccinated. The message from most GOP is get the vaccine and if you got the vaccine act like it. Part of the problem with the vaccine is that even if you get it the message is nothing changes from the government.  Still have to mask. Still have to social distance. Still can’t do anything. Add in the side effects/deaths some experience and people are wary.  I’m a nurse and half my floor has not gotten the vaccine, not bc they’re GOP (many aren’t)but because they don’t trust it. Others who have had Covid wonder if they have anti bodies and don’t need it. Add in social media about changing your DNA, tracking devices, Bill Gates, the experimental nature of it, etc and it’s a problem. Even with all of this I think well over half the country has gotten it and it was only opened up to everyone over 16 a couple of weeks ago.

I don’t want to wade too much into politics here, but the government has been pretty clear about why there is still a need to wear masks and practice social distancing - the vaccine helps you fight the virus if you catch it, but scientists still aren’t positive what it means for actually catching the virus and therefore transmitting it. So, they ask people to think of do their neighbors who haven’t been vaccinated yet and still protect them. As vaccine rates have gone up, I think they’re starting to see that yes, transmission rates are going down so I’d assume things will start changing. My governor is a Democrat and has said once we reach 67% of the state with at least one dose, we can open back up. I’m happy to do my part until then.

Right there with you, CJT. I’ll do my part to help with re-opening, but in the meantime I’ll wear a mask and social distance - without complaint. It’s not a huge ask given the alternative.
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« Reply #231 on: April 25, 2021, 08:43:54 PM »

I donít see it that political here along party lines, but I think media are playing it up. I am conservative and I got it as soon as I could. I know anti-vaxxers who wonít; they are on the left of the political spectrum.

 It is more: vaccines work great and we are fortunate so letís go back to normal now, which messaging isnít... I see loads of people I know saying it doesnít do anything so stay home another year or two! They prevent transmission and illness. They work great! It is time to end this madness. But it wonít end until next year if ever IMO.

I do see lots of crazy ďthis is experimental gene therapyĒ which makes me bang my head into a wall.
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« Reply #232 on: April 25, 2021, 08:59:25 PM »

It's crazy considering it seems like the government there just wants to continue this indefinitely. Granted I do believe many of them DO wish to do so and for varying reasons but it will eventually be politically untenable and unsustainable economically... Here in the US the narrative is still: vaccines don't prevent transmission and don't even work but get one anyway, also no normal ever again unless kids get vaccinated and even then goalposts. So frustrating when we have working vaccines and amazing technology, we should be positive and ending this NOW but instead why? I think media also makes a lot of money out of the hysteria, the 24/7 scary news cycle that's been perpetuated since 9/11. I know people who won't let their kids leave the house still. Sad

I don't get the blood clot worries so much considering we women go through worse chances with them with our birth control pills. When you have SO many folks vaccinated at once like this and look at EVERY little thing I think it seems like it is a bigger issue than it is, and of course media pushes it as a huge issue as if it is something that will affect everyone.

I think you in Aus - example my friend who is American, she cannot leave and wishes to do so but were she a celebrity she could come and go if she pleased? It's completely crazy. I do not think open borders will happen with these policies ever, do they ever intend to open borders? No it seems like. What about Australians who want to go home? That's a human rights abuse imo. It is as if this is the Plague met Ebola and had a baby judging by our reaction.

Is this really the case (the bolded part)? I am so surprised because when I read US newspapers they are very pro-vaccine and of course they acknowledge that the vaccine is not a cure-all but that it is a very good safeguard and that is important that as many people as possible get it. The other 'narrative' seems to be from the GOP side?

I got the AZ just before there was a change in the recommendations for age. My cousin and my niece got the same and we all three have the same reaction. I do not know what we will get the second time.   

I’m GOP and vaccinated. The message from most GOP is get the vaccine and if you got the vaccine act like it. Part of the problem with the vaccine is that even if you get it the message is nothing changes from the government.  Still have to mask. Still have to social distance. Still can’t do anything. Add in the side effects/deaths some experience and people are wary.  I’m a nurse and half my floor has not gotten the vaccine, not bc they’re GOP (many aren’t)but because they don’t trust it. Others who have had Covid wonder if they have anti bodies and don’t need it. Add in social media about changing your DNA, tracking devices, Bill Gates, the experimental nature of it, etc and it’s a problem. Even with all of this I think well over half the country has gotten it and it was only opened up to everyone over 16 a couple of weeks ago.

I don’t want to wade too much into politics here, but the government has been pretty clear about why there is still a need to wear masks and practice social distancing - the vaccine helps you fight the virus if you catch it, but scientists still aren’t positive what it means for actually catching the virus and therefore transmitting it. So, they ask people to think of do their neighbors who haven’t been vaccinated yet and still protect them. As vaccine rates have gone up, I think they’re starting to see that yes, transmission rates are going down so I’d assume things will start changing. My governor is a Democrat and has said once we reach 67% of the state with at least one dose, we can open back up. I’m happy to do my part until then.

Right there with you, CJT. I’ll do my part to help with re-opening, but in the meantime I’ll wear a mask and social distance - without complaint. It’s not a huge ask given the alternative.

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While the temporary hold on the J&J vaccine was absolutely necessary, it also fed into the anti vaccinators narrative. I hope to see the numbers come up again now that the J&J vaccine has been cleared for use.

I cannot remember if I heard this in reference to my state or if it is something country wide - there are a number of people who have received their first shot but have failed to return for their second dose. Which in turns creates a third classification / those who are partially vaccinated. Hopefully we can persuade them to return for the second shot.

The Gov has mentioned a change over for lifting restrictions from a cases per two week basis to a percentage vaccinated. i expect he will announce that this week. Currently we are at 39% statewide (that's including those under 16). My county is at 45%.
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« Reply #233 on: April 25, 2021, 09:02:37 PM »

Well Iím scheduled for my 2nd Moderna shot on May 2nd and I also had a pretty good case of Covid 19 back in November.
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« Reply #234 on: April 26, 2021, 12:18:28 AM »

It's crazy considering it seems like the government there just wants to continue this indefinitely. Granted I do believe many of them DO wish to do so and for varying reasons but it will eventually be politically untenable and unsustainable economically... Here in the US the narrative is still: vaccines don't prevent transmission and don't even work but get one anyway, also no normal ever again unless kids get vaccinated and even then goalposts. So frustrating when we have working vaccines and amazing technology, we should be positive and ending this NOW but instead why? I think media also makes a lot of money out of the hysteria, the 24/7 scary news cycle that's been perpetuated since 9/11. I know people who won't let their kids leave the house still. Sad

I don't get the blood clot worries so much considering we women go through worse chances with them with our birth control pills. When you have SO many folks vaccinated at once like this and look at EVERY little thing I think it seems like it is a bigger issue than it is, and of course media pushes it as a huge issue as if it is something that will affect everyone.

I think you in Aus - example my friend who is American, she cannot leave and wishes to do so but were she a celebrity she could come and go if she pleased? It's completely crazy. I do not think open borders will happen with these policies ever, do they ever intend to open borders? No it seems like. What about Australians who want to go home? That's a human rights abuse imo. It is as if this is the Plague met Ebola and had a baby judging by our reaction.

Is this really the case (the bolded part)? I am so surprised because when I read US newspapers they are very pro-vaccine and of course they acknowledge that the vaccine is not a cure-all but that it is a very good safeguard and that is important that as many people as possible get it. The other 'narrative' seems to be from the GOP side?

I got the AZ just before there was a change in the recommendations for age. My cousin and my niece got the same and we all three have the same reaction. I do not know what we will get the second time.   

I’m GOP and vaccinated. The message from most GOP is get the vaccine and if you got the vaccine act like it. Part of the problem with the vaccine is that even if you get it the message is nothing changes from the government.  Still have to mask. Still have to social distance. Still can’t do anything. Add in the side effects/deaths some experience and people are wary.  I’m a nurse and half my floor has not gotten the vaccine, not bc they’re GOP (many aren’t)but because they don’t trust it. Others who have had Covid wonder if they have anti bodies and don’t need it. Add in social media about changing your DNA, tracking devices, Bill Gates, the experimental nature of it, etc and it’s a problem. Even with all of this I think well over half the country has gotten it and it was only opened up to everyone over 16 a couple of weeks ago.
I phrased my comment badly I think - I am sorry. I said 'GOP' but I was meaning the Trump supporters who also got so angry when they knew he and his wife and daughter were vaccinated. I should not say 'GOP' maybe 'MAGA' (or maybe nothing Smiley ).
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« Reply #235 on: April 26, 2021, 12:25:21 AM »

I notice in the US anti-vaxxers aren't really one specific political ideology. I know conservative and liberal anti-vaxxers. They're all conspiracy theorists in general! They like elderberry syrup and ask about chiropractors for their newborn babies. Into all kinds of woo and bizarre things. Essential oils sold by a pyramid scheme instead of doctor's visits, that kind of crazy.

The media and public health messaging around vaccination has been damn abysmal. Get vaccinated but this is forever, life will never go back to normal, and borderline 'the vaccines don't work but get it anyway!' messaging.
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The AZ vaccine going to PNG is coming from Europe and not here - no AZ from Europe is going to be anytime soon... so "we" have not produced anything that is being diverted to there

The roll out has been awful or not happening .... this is not a State Govt issue - Morrison was quite clear he was in control. Or clearly not.

As for State Premiers - I remember the NSW one blocking anyone from Vic coming into the State for a long time and also is the one that let the infected cruise patients in as they had contacts in "high places" who also attended the same church.

As for "health" being a "State matter" yes - if you go to a public hospital it is State funded - but go to a GP it is very poorly partially funded by the Commonwealth Govt. If you need surgery then you go on a waiting list or pay yourself with almost no assistance as Medicare has been stripped of funding for years. And as GP's are the preferred method of the inept Health Minister Hunt to roll out the vaccine that is either not recommended for those under 50 or the others which are not available yet then I suggest you direct your concerns to him and not blame the State Ministers who offered to assist as clearly he is a dud. Even the NSW one did - Gladys stepped up when she saw how hopeless Winter was going to be.

I have enough sense to protect myself as best I can and enough smarts to see what the issues are and who is responsible ...


There is some latitude and ways can be found by medical practitioners to provide an extra service specific to Covid 19 issues, and it might depend on the local area health service  and the willingness of GPs to participate.   In my local area on the far north coast of NSW, there are two clinics which are described as "GP led respiratory clinics".  I don't have all the facts and I do not know exactly how the clinics were established or who actually runs them, but it seems that at least some local GPs are participating a scheme supported by the local area health  service and the clinics provide Covid testing, treatment for mild Covid symptoms, and also vaccinations.  They have a section that provides vaccinations throughout the day and appointments are available within a few days.  So people here do not have to rely on their regular GP to provide this service.  My husband and I have both had our first shot, administered by an RN, and we have appointments for the second shot in July.   It seems this could be a rare instance of people in country and regional areas having better facilities than those in the cities.  I would think that there are enough doctors and nurses in Sydney to provide this sort of service, if they were minded to.
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« Reply #237 on: April 28, 2021, 02:24:43 PM »

Pfizer CEO says a pill you can take at home to treat COVID could be ready by end of 2021

https://www.insider.com/p...-ready-by-end-2021-2021-4

A COVID-busting game-changer could be on its way ó in the form of a pill you can take to combat the early stages of an infection.

Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla told CNBC on Tuesday that an oral antiviral pill that can be taken in the comfort of one's home is in the works and could be made available to the public by the end of this year.

Bourla said he expected this experimental oral drug would be effective against multiple variants of the virus and be used to treat COVID patients at the onset of the illness, way before they require critical care. He also added that one of the drug's major benefits was saving people trips to the hospital to get treatment for COVID.

The drug, which falls under a class of medicines called protease inhibitors, works like this: it binds to viral enzymes, stopping the virus from replicating in human cells. These inhibitors attack the "spine" of the COVID virus and prevent it from further multiplying in our respiratory system.

Protease inhibitors are also used to treat other illnesses, like HIV and hepatitis C.

"That allows us to believe that will be way more effective against the multiple variants. That's good news, and we are now progressing the studies, and we will have more news around summer," said Bourla.


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« Reply #238 on: April 28, 2021, 03:16:26 PM »

Here in Canada it was a sloooow rollout of vaccines. We don't produce vaccines so had to wait for exports mostly from Europe. Things seem to be going well on the vaccine front now though with a steady supply. They did expand the time between doses to get more first doses in people. My province has about 1 in 3 people with a first dose now. My mom and my husband's parents and grandmother have all been vaccinated. Mom had Pfizer and her only complaint after was a sore arm. I know people who had AZ who had a lot of cold/flu symptoms after their first shot. My cousin and his wife live up north and they had both Moderna shots a while ago. Both got pretty sick with cold/flu symptoms after their second shots. My turn hasn't come around yet but I'm ready!
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« Reply #239 on: April 28, 2021, 03:31:09 PM »

Here in Canada it was a sloooow rollout of vaccines. We don't produce vaccines so had to wait for exports mostly from Europe. Things seem to be going well on the vaccine front now though with a steady supply. They did expand the time between doses to get more first doses in people. My province has about 1 in 3 people with a first dose now. My mom and my husband's parents and grandmother have all been vaccinated. Mom had Pfizer and her only complaint after was a sore arm. I know people who had AZ who had a lot of cold/flu symptoms after their first shot. My cousin and his wife live up north and they had both Moderna shots a while ago. Both got pretty sick with cold/flu symptoms after their second shots. My turn hasn't come around yet but I'm ready!

In Australia we were meant to get AZ from Europe but we got blocked from importing them as the EU did not give clearance.

Now we are producing locally but as there are now concerns about blood clots Iím not comfortable in doing that. The other vaccines might have fewer side effects but are not generally available here to all but a minority and I donít meet the criteria at this point

Good to hear Canada is doing things well at this point
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