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« Reply #240 on: April 28, 2021, 04:13:43 PM »

Here in Canada it was a sloooow rollout of vaccines. We don't produce vaccines so had to wait for exports mostly from Europe. Things seem to be going well on the vaccine front now though with a steady supply. They did expand the time between doses to get more first doses in people. My province has about 1 in 3 people with a first dose now. My mom and my husband's parents and grandmother have all been vaccinated. Mom had Pfizer and her only complaint after was a sore arm. I know people who had AZ who had a lot of cold/flu symptoms after their first shot. My cousin and his wife live up north and they had both Moderna shots a while ago. Both got pretty sick with cold/flu symptoms after their second shots. My turn hasn't come around yet but I'm ready!

In Australia we were meant to get AZ from Europe but we got blocked from importing them as the EU did not give clearance.

Now we are producing locally but as there are now concerns about blood clots Iím not comfortable in doing that. The other vaccines might have fewer side effects but are not generally available here to all but a minority and I donít meet the criteria at this point

Good to hear Canada is doing things well at this point

How well we're doing depends on where someone is I think. An earlier rollout certainly would have helped Ontario who is in the midst of a brutal third wave. But on the other hand vaccines alone aren't the answer when there's an outbreak like that. My province is good case wise right now and like Australia we have good border control as we're mostly an island - no non-essential travel in for at least a year now with the exception of when the Atlantic bubble was a thing.

I'm not too comfortable with AZ myself. My husband has no issues with it but the blood clotting risk seems to be more with women. I'm already on HRT which has a list of possible side effects including blood clotting so I think I'll wait for Pfizer or Moderna. Most of our supply seems to be Pfizer unless we get some AZ from the US again.
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« Reply #241 on: April 28, 2021, 04:15:08 PM »

Here in Canada it was a sloooow rollout of vaccines. We don't produce vaccines so had to wait for exports mostly from Europe. Things seem to be going well on the vaccine front now though with a steady supply. They did expand the time between doses to get more first doses in people. My province has about 1 in 3 people with a first dose now. My mom and my husband's parents and grandmother have all been vaccinated. Mom had Pfizer and her only complaint after was a sore arm. I know people who had AZ who had a lot of cold/flu symptoms after their first shot. My cousin and his wife live up north and they had both Moderna shots a while ago. Both got pretty sick with cold/flu symptoms after their second shots. My turn hasn't come around yet but I'm ready!

In Australia we were meant to get AZ from Europe but we got blocked from importing them as the EU did not give clearance.

Now we are producing locally but as there are now concerns about blood clots Iím not comfortable in doing that. The other vaccines might have fewer side effects but are not generally available here to all but a minority and I donít meet the criteria at this point

Good to hear Canada is doing things well at this point

AZ has been blocked a number of times in various EU countries due to cases of strokes (due to embolism) and low blood platelet levels. This seemed to be especially the case with women aged about 25-60 years. The odds still seem to be significantly low, but it is better to be safe than sorry. Last week I heard messages in the Netherlands from GPs who are stuck with multiple doses of AZ (practically no one in their client base wants to be vaccinated with this) and sometimes have to throw them away themselves. Recently, the Janssen vaccine has also been blocked, apparently similar cases of side effects.


Both of my parents, > 75 years old, have cardiovascular diseases, so I was not too keen on them getting AZ. They had their first vaccination mid April. It was finally their turn in their health region (in the Netherlands it may differ per region who is vaccinated and when). If I understood it correct they were vaccinated with another vaccin, which one exactly is unknown to my parents and me. It doesn't interest my parents that much Wink Smiley


Given that I am not in one of the defined vulnerable groups (not in terms of age, disorders, overweight, etc.), it may still take a while before my turn. I expect July / August 2021 at the earliest.
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« Reply #242 on: April 28, 2021, 04:22:23 PM »

Here in Canada it was a sloooow rollout of vaccines. We don't produce vaccines so had to wait for exports mostly from Europe. Things seem to be going well on the vaccine front now though with a steady supply. They did expand the time between doses to get more first doses in people. My province has about 1 in 3 people with a first dose now. My mom and my husband's parents and grandmother have all been vaccinated. Mom had Pfizer and her only complaint after was a sore arm. I know people who had AZ who had a lot of cold/flu symptoms after their first shot. My cousin and his wife live up north and they had both Moderna shots a while ago. Both got pretty sick with cold/flu symptoms after their second shots. My turn hasn't come around yet but I'm ready!

In Australia we were meant to get AZ from Europe but we got blocked from importing them as the EU did not give clearance.

Now we are producing locally but as there are now concerns about blood clots Iím not comfortable in doing that. The other vaccines might have fewer side effects but are not generally available here to all but a minority and I donít meet the criteria at this point

Good to hear Canada is doing things well at this point

AZ has been blocked a number of times in various EU countries due to cases of strokes (due to embolism) and low blood platelet levels. This seemed to be especially the case with women aged about 25-60 years. The odds still seem to be significantly low, but it is better to be safe than sorry. Last week I heard messages in the Netherlands from GPs who are stuck with multiple doses of AZ (practically no one in their client base wants to be vaccinated with this) and sometimes have to throw them away themselves. Recently, the Janssen vaccine has also been blocked, apparently similar cases of side effects.


Both of my parents, > 75 years old, have cardiovascular diseases, so I was not too keen on them getting AZ. They had their first vaccination mid April. It was finally their turn in their health region (in the Netherlands it may differ per region who is vaccinated and when). If I understood it correct they were vaccinated with another vaccin, which one exactly is unknown to my parents and me. It doesn't interest my parents that much Wink Smiley


Given that I am not in one of the defined vulnerable groups (not in terms of age, disorders, overweight, etc.), it may still take a while before my turn. I expect July / August 2021 at the earliest.

Yes we all need to balance the risk and Iím sure your parents got one that is medically ok for them.

We are going into Winter here and that will be a challenge to manage as open air venues such as outside dining etc has probably helped minimise the spread of any virus over summer... all we can do is stay alert and distance ourselves
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« Reply #243 on: April 28, 2021, 04:25:19 PM »

A 54 year old woman passed away due to blood clots from the AZ vaccine. It definitely makes me nervous, especially since I have a history of blood clots in my family tree. I am supposed to be getting my vaccine tomorrow and I've been told that it's Pfizer. I'm crossing my fingers this is true.

I think the symptoms afterwards depends on the person. My parents both received Moderna, but only my dad had such a sore arm/body aches. My mom felt fine.
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« Reply #244 on: April 28, 2021, 04:27:31 PM »

Here in Canada it was a sloooow rollout of vaccines. We don't produce vaccines so had to wait for exports mostly from Europe. Things seem to be going well on the vaccine front now though with a steady supply. They did expand the time between doses to get more first doses in people. My province has about 1 in 3 people with a first dose now. My mom and my husband's parents and grandmother have all been vaccinated. Mom had Pfizer and her only complaint after was a sore arm. I know people who had AZ who had a lot of cold/flu symptoms after their first shot. My cousin and his wife live up north and they had both Moderna shots a while ago. Both got pretty sick with cold/flu symptoms after their second shots. My turn hasn't come around yet but I'm ready!

In Australia we were meant to get AZ from Europe but we got blocked from importing them as the EU did not give clearance.

Now we are producing locally but as there are now concerns about blood clots Iím not comfortable in doing that. The other vaccines might have fewer side effects but are not generally available here to all but a minority and I donít meet the criteria at this point

Good to hear Canada is doing things well at this point

AZ has been blocked a number of times in various EU countries due to cases of strokes (due to embolism) and low blood platelet levels. This seemed to be especially the case with women aged about 25-60 years. The odds still seem to be significantly low, but it is better to be safe than sorry. Last week I heard messages in the Netherlands from GPs who are stuck with multiple doses of AZ (practically no one in their client base wants to be vaccinated with this) and sometimes have to throw them away themselves. Recently, the Janssen vaccine has also been blocked, apparently similar cases of side effects.


Both of my parents, > 75 years old, have cardiovascular diseases, so I was not too keen on them getting AZ. They had their first vaccination mid April. It was finally their turn in their health region (in the Netherlands it may differ per region who is vaccinated and when). If I understood it correct they were vaccinated with another vaccin, which one exactly is unknown to my parents and me. It doesn't interest my parents that much Wink Smiley


Given that I am not in one of the defined vulnerable groups (not in terms of age, disorders, overweight, etc.), it may still take a while before my turn. I expect July / August 2021 at the earliest.

Yes we all need to balance the risk and Iím sure your parents got one that is medically ok for them.

We are going into Winter here and that will be a challenge to manage as open air venues such as outside dining etc has probably helped minimise the spread of any virus over summer... all we can do is stay alert and distance ourselves

As of today, a number of restrictions in the Netherlands have been relaxed, including removal of the curfew (was first 9:00 PM, later 10:00 PM). But also possibility to visit terraces (allowed between 12: 00-18: 00 and with 2 at the same time / together). Now that summer is approaching, people are afraid that too many people will come together outside. This was partly already visible during King's Day yesterday.
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« Reply #245 on: April 28, 2021, 04:43:22 PM »

I know several people that took AZ vaccine, some with cloths history and heart problems, and so far none had issues. Hopefully will remain that way, and also for all fellow dishers!!

I understand people are nervous but statistically you are more likely to have a blood cloth because you take the pill for example than getting one from the vaccine. People have strange reactions to vaccines, any type of vaccine, all the time. None of the current reported number of cases /deaths are abnormal in terms of numers per milion administrated. It is good that pharmaceuticals are reviewing and the control system is working, but I do feel this just makes the news because it's an hot topic right in a pandemic world, and because the press wants to make headlines.

I have an history of severe reactions to vaccines, so this is very sensitive topic for me. I speak with my doctors regurarly regarding this and their advise is to take the vaccine, even with my medical history. Covid is much more likely to do severe damage on my system and my poor lungs than the vaccine at this point. I am trying to trust science and numbers, and try to leave the emotional reaction away - it is easier for me perhaps because I studied Biology and I am a scientist at heart, even if I do work on IT this days.

We will monitor closely when my time somes, in August/September, and hopefully it will go for the best.

Btw, here we wil officially end our state of emergecy next Saturday. It was going since November and we have an horrible 4th wave back in January. On Monday we will enter the final stage of our opening plan - stage 4. We have at this point 20% of the country's population with at least one vaccine dose and more that 8% is already fully vaccinated. Preleminary studies that were made public yesterday showed that 95% of the vaccinated now have immunity. So, I am hopeful at this point! Fingers crossed!

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« Reply #246 on: April 28, 2021, 06:38:19 PM »

I asked my best friend about AZ as she's a hematologist. She said that its her understanding that the blood clotting issue with AZ is related to an immune response and not related to other blood clotting issues or causes. My province is using it in the age group 55 - 64 and not having any issues filling appointments. Its preferred for over 65 have Pfizer or Moderna. Several provinces (like Ontario and Alberta) were having issues filling appointments and reduced the age to 40 and are now getting those appointment slots filled which is great.
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« Reply #247 on: April 28, 2021, 07:54:26 PM »

I'm just back from getting my 1st dose (Pfizer). The "rollout" in Illinois up until now has been a chaotic uncoordinated mess, absolutely disgraceful. I had older friends here in the Chicago suburbs who were eligible earlier in the year and some of them had to spend hours online daily trying to find appointments, and then had to drive as much as 90 minutes each way to get to them. SMH. Now that everyone is eligible it's much easier and all sorts of places are having "open" vaccination clinics.
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« Reply #248 on: April 28, 2021, 08:30:55 PM »

I asked my best friend about AZ as she's a hematologist. She said that its her understanding that the blood clotting issue with AZ is related to an immune response and not related to other blood clotting issues or causes. My province is using it in the age group 55 - 64 and not having any issues filling appointments. Its preferred for over 65 have Pfizer or Moderna. Several provinces (like Ontario and Alberta) were having issues filling appointments and reduced the age to 40 and are now getting those appointment slots filled which is great.

Thanks Larla for the insights. It is great to hear from specialists and their input on all this.
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« Reply #249 on: April 28, 2021, 09:52:41 PM »

I asked my best friend about AZ as she's a hematologist. She said that its her understanding that the blood clotting issue with AZ is related to an immune response and not related to other blood clotting issues or causes. My province is using it in the age group 55 - 64 and not having any issues filling appointments. Its preferred for over 65 have Pfizer or Moderna. Several provinces (like Ontario and Alberta) were having issues filling appointments and reduced the age to 40 and are now getting those appointment slots filled which is great.
I asked both my opthalmologist and a friend's hematologist sister and they said the same. I got my AZ vaccine a few weeks ago, still now a bit apprehensive, but I hope all goes  well. I just wish vaccination was not so slow here and more people got the jab.Some age groups don't yet  know when theirs will be available.
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« Reply #250 on: April 28, 2021, 10:00:51 PM »

In Germany there was so much confusion because first AZ was given exclusively to people under 65. All medical staff and care staff were priority one - so a lot of young women got the jab (mainly nurses, ...). Then the blood clots happened. Then the recommended it for people over 65.

In the transition teachers (priority group 2) had started to get vacinated with AZ. I have a lot of collegues who got one jab with AZ and are totally afraid getting a second one. The "rule of thumb" among our staff was: the younger and fitter people were the worse were the side-effects. 30 year old PE teacher and marathon runner - was out sick three days - 64 year old secretary - did not even have any side-effects.

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« Reply #251 on: April 28, 2021, 11:31:13 PM »

Chances of getting a blood clot from AZ is 0.004% I believe. Chances of a blood clot from covid is 14.75%

Definitely worth getting the vaccination but I just personally hope I get Pfizer!
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« Reply #252 on: April 29, 2021, 01:13:00 AM »

In Australia there is no choice - over 50 are getting AZ and under 50 are getting pfizer but will have to wait (unless they are sports people) until we get supplies for them later this year.

I still have no idea how I will go about getting a vaccine and am in no hurry. I am having enough problems getting a flu vaccine as none of the chemists in my local area have the doctor level flu vaccine, only the lower strength pharmacy level that they give but my doctor says I have to have the higher level one. Hopefully they will get some new supplies next week. Of course there is no pneumonia vaccine available again - last year I tried 22 chemists and none had any and so far this year I have tried 12 but still can't get a pneumonia vaccine (and having had two doses in the past two years I am supposed to be a 'priority patient' for pneumonia vaccine. Seems like I can look at another winter staying totally in my own home for my health.
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« Reply #253 on: April 30, 2021, 08:51:23 PM »

The problem here is that the coordination is such a mess, that most likely many doses are thrown out. We are still doing the strictly by priority vaccination, so people over 70 who are in the current group should get the AZ, leaving the biontech for the younger women. However I know of many (make that really many!!!) cases in which at the vaccination clinic the 65+ patients upon hearing AZ is the drug of choice, refused and rescheduled. Since there is no "stand-by" system, this dose will not be used, this appointment goes belly up and instead of having one person vaccinated and the next in line ready, this person delays the line.
Reports say that about 3 out of 10 appointments fail.
Meanwhile the youngsters will not get any access but watch curfews being lifted for those that were vaccinated.
All those people who screamed for "solidarity" with the vulnerable who demanded the lockdowns do now plan their Mallorca vaccation while the younger gen. who showed solidarity with the elders, stayed home and distanced, missed schools, friends, milestones even though their risk of complications were minimal still stay in lockdown.
The other day police arrested 5 youngsters who sat together in a wooded area at the park. Pray tell me, what risk did that pose? 
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FDA to authorize Pfizer's Covid-19 vaccine for 12-to-15-year-olds by early next week, official says

https://www.cnn.com/2021/...cine-teens-fda/index.html

The US Food and Drug Administration is poised to authorize Pfizer/BioNTech's coronavirus vaccine in children and teens ages 12 to 15 by early next week, a federal government official tells CNN.

Pfizer has applied for emergency use authorization for its coronavirus vaccine for teens and children ages 12 to 15. The FDA will have to amend the emergency use authorization for the vaccine, but the process should be straightforward, said the official, who was not authorized to speak about the process publicly and requested anonymity.

The FDA is currently reviewing data submitted by Pfizer to support the extended use. Pfizer said at the end of March that a clinical trial involving 2,260 12-to-15-year-olds showed its efficacy is 100% and it is well tolerated. The vaccine is currently authorized in the US for emergency use in people 16 and older.

"While the FDA cannot predict how long its evaluation of the data and information will take, the agency will review the request as expeditiously as possible using its thorough and science-based approach," the FDA said in an email to CNN last week.

"Based on an initial evaluation of the information submitted, at this time, the agency does not plan to hold a meeting of the Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee (VRBPAC) on this request to amend the EUA for the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine, which was discussed and recommended for authorization at a VRBPAC meeting in December 2020. As with all FDA-authorized COVID-19 vaccines, we are committed to transparency with this EUA review process."
A US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention advisory committee known as the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices will schedule a meeting for after any FDA decision to extend the EUA to new age groups. ACIP will advise CDC on whether to recommend use of the vaccine in 12-to-15-year-olds, and then CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky will decide whether the agency will recommend its use in the new age group.

Covid-19 vaccines for younger children
Pfizer said Tuesday morning it expects to submit for FDA emergency use authorization for its Covid-19 for children ages 2 to 11 years old in September. The vaccine safety and efficacy study in children age 6 months to 11 years old is ongoing.
"We expect to have definitive readouts and submit for an EUA for two cohorts, including children age 2-5 years of age and 5-11 years of age, in September," Pfizer CEO Alert Bourla said Tuesday during a call with investors.
Bourla said the readout and submission for children 6 months to 2 years is expected in the fourth quarter of 2021.

Moderna is also testing its vaccine in children as young as 6 months and expect to ask the FDA for EUA covering infants and children later this year.
Extending EUA to younger children will be a different from what's happening with older children and young teens, the federal government official said.
"In the older group of children if there is nothing exceptional, if everything looks very similar to adults, the feeling is that it is not necessary to take this to an advisory committee meeting," the government official said. "For the younger children, we almost certainly will consider more strongly going to an advisory committee meeting."
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