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« Reply #225 on: October 28, 2021, 04:20:54 PM »

I think its common sense to have the fewest "working royals" as needed (bearing in mind the size and extent of the duties each Royal House has to meet  e.g. the Windsors also have the Commonwealth to represent at times). The interesting thing here with Joachim and Marie is that the implication, certainly from Marie, seems to be its wasn't entirely their choice. We are in a time when many royal houses are having to shift from the idea they can have countless members to needing a smaller model.

When Marie married him he was no longer the spare .... in reality she should have had no expectations of a life long nice life at the expense of the taxpayers.... that they were allowed to have that for many years was a benefit but I知 sure there was a plan in place to get Jokke skilled up to be independent... and I知 sure his father probably provided for them ... perhaps the French property?

I don't believe she had the expectation "of a life-long nice life at the expense of the taxpayers", what she had is the expectation to stay in the new country that she then started to call home, and as she was told to work for the DRF.

What they certainly didn't expect, is to be shoved into exile France, to give the main branch to shine. It was clear as soon as Marie appeared on the screen that she was the polar opposite of Mary, warm, engaging, genuine and truly engaged, and interested in her patronages. The grey men could have done that bit in a decent manner, slowly pulling them back from the limelight, and having them their jobs. The Dutch are doing it fabulously. And the same was/is going on with Bene.

But then I guess as long as the Schack's remain in DK, the contrast of Joachim and Marie would have always been in competition to the Derf's.

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« Reply #226 on: October 28, 2021, 05:08:20 PM »

I think its common sense to have the fewest "working royals" as needed (bearing in mind the size and extent of the duties each Royal House has to meet  e.g. the Windsors also have the Commonwealth to represent at times). The interesting thing here with Joachim and Marie is that the implication, certainly from Marie, seems to be its wasn't entirely their choice. We are in a time when many royal houses are having to shift from the idea they can have countless members to needing a smaller model.

When Marie married him he was no longer the spare .... in reality she should have had no expectations of a life long nice life at the expense of the taxpayers.... that they were allowed to have that for many years was a benefit but I知 sure there was a plan in place to get Jokke skilled up to be independent... and I知 sure his father probably provided for them ... perhaps the French property?

I don't believe she had the expectation "of a life-long nice life at the expense of the taxpayers", what she had is the expectation to stay in the new country that she then started to call home, and as she was told to work for the DRF.

What they certainly didn't expect, is to be shoved into exile France, to give the main branch to shine. It was clear as soon as Marie appeared on the screen that she was the polar opposite of Mary, warm, engaging, genuine and truly engaged, and interested in her patronages. The grey men could have done that bit in a decent manner, slowly pulling them back from the limelight, and having them their jobs. The Dutch are doing it fabulously. And the same was/is going on with Bene.

But then I guess as long as the Schack's remain in DK, the contrast of Joachim and Marie would have always been in competition to the Derf's.



I completely agree with this.

I think Marie's level of bitterness at their current situation is due to the fact that neither Joachim or her were consulted or carried along when the grey men cooked up this arrangement. The aim of this arrangement is a good thing but it seems Marge and the grey men went about it the wrong way.

From my vantage point it looks like the Schacks got a cold call from the Amalienborg switch board laying out the new order, informing them that it began effective immediately and wishing them good luck in their future endeavours.

This is a shitty way of handling things even if the grey men are in the right. Bringing the Schacks in on this would have gone a long way to smooth emotions over and it could have given them a sense of ownership and investment in this plan for the future of the DRF.
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« Reply #227 on: October 28, 2021, 05:19:22 PM »

The gray men probably saw the writing on the wall that Mary and Fred can't compete with Joachim and his family. I bet Marge blessed it because while she may not prefer Fred and Mary they are the direct heirs. So now it is formalized that the spare and his wife go to France after they wouldn't live quietly in the countryside and sold that house which tied Joachim to a life of farming not really what he wanted at the end of the day. I think Marie was happy to be his wife in any context but an unleashed city dwelling family with four kids was a threat to Fred and Mary's eventual ascendancy to the top spot so out to France they went and will stay. I like that Marie has been firm with her distaste for the arrangement and I'm pleased that she still comes to Copenhagen to do work with her charities.
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« Reply #228 on: October 28, 2021, 06:30:31 PM »

Is it possible also that being a princess in France does not have the same cachet and so Marie is unhappy.

I would see it as a good thing that they have recognised roles and job titles now and not be just spares. Also it is so good for the children.

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« Reply #229 on: October 28, 2021, 06:54:55 PM »

I'm sorry for missing something, but is there an interview or article where Marie expressed her bitterness?

From her point of view, she worked so hard to acquiesce into the DRF: she learned Danish at a much quicker and better rate than then her sister-in-law, she birthed her children in Denmark and surely participates in Danish customs with her family, and she has been a patient and spectacular asset to the DRF in her engagements and patronages.

I have the feeling that had the recent closure of their court been done around the time Jokke and Marie married, they would have chosen to live in France anyway. From my limited view I anticipate that Marie is bitter because she put a lot of work in and hasn't been acknowledged or thanked for it.
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« Reply #230 on: October 28, 2021, 07:10:40 PM »

I'm sorry for missing something, but is there an interview or article where Marie expressed her bitterness?

From her point of view, she worked so hard to acquiesce into the DRF: she learned Danish at a much quicker and better rate than then her sister-in-law, she birthed her children in Denmark and surely participates in Danish customs with her family, and she has been a patient and spectacular asset to the DRF in her engagements and patronages.

I have the feeling that had the recent closure of their court been done around the time Jokke and Marie married, they would have chosen to live in France anyway. From my limited view I anticipate that Marie is bitter because she put a lot of work in and hasn't been acknowledged or thanked for it.

There was an interview several months ago in which both, Joachim and Marie, were asked about their situation in France, and basically why they have chosen to move there. Marie answered that it wasn't their choice to move to France and that she would rather have stayed in Denmark. That she loves the Danish culture, and the Danish people. Something to that effect. The interview is flying somewhere around in the Schack's threads, IIRC. 


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« Reply #231 on: October 28, 2021, 07:29:52 PM »

What surprises me is that they shoved Joachim and Marie out one door in the same Palace that sees Daisy still so openly welcome her own sister to royal duties. Defo gives a sense that someone was feeling overshadowed by the other younger, more cultured couple. 
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« Reply #232 on: October 28, 2021, 07:38:29 PM »

Fred and Mary just underwhelm people. That can't share the spotlight with anyone.
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« Reply #233 on: October 28, 2021, 07:39:26 PM »

Belgian King Phil is currently in Denmark on a 2 day visit and there's no meeting with the Danish royals, which is odd.

I could understand the DRF sidelining Marie and her husband if Mary and Fred were busy and competent, but Fred clearly cannot undertake even basic royal duties regularly
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« Reply #234 on: October 28, 2021, 07:56:05 PM »

It's not unlike the state of the world. The lowest common denominator wins. Smarts and ideas and innovation and progress don't matter. Even Queen Daisy seems to have conceded.
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« Reply #235 on: October 28, 2021, 07:56:39 PM »

Mary atleast tries, but people find her underwhelming.
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« Reply #236 on: October 28, 2021, 08:02:25 PM »

No offense to you but I'm sick of reading that. Tries at what? She just shows up to get her vanity appeased. She does nothing of note. I get that is in part the theater of royalty but she should be doing more. But the Danes are in charge of her and don't ask for much so life goes on underwhelmingly.
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« Reply #237 on: October 28, 2021, 09:34:05 PM »

I get that this is not going to be a popular opinion, and I知 really trying not to stray into off topic areas, but here goes anyway

The claims that the spare couple were effectively exiled because they were so much more charming, charismatic and hardworking than the dull/workshy heir couple are exactly the same as those made by the infamous 都quad.  At the end of the day, the crown, or the grey men that work for it, will always protect those in the direct line above anyone else, come hell or high water. 

Joachim and Marie may feel that they致e paid their dues and only got a slap in the face in return.  I have no idea if that痴 true or not, but the fact that Marie is infinitely more popular on this board than Mary or Sofia doesn稚 change the fact that if you池e married to the spare, you have to suck it up because you池e always going to have to defer to the heir痴 spouse, whether (s)he deserves it or not.
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« Reply #238 on: October 28, 2021, 09:49:47 PM »

I get that this is not going to be a popular opinion, and I知 really trying not to stray into off topic areas, but here goes anyway

The claims that the spare couple were effectively exiled because they were so much more charming, charismatic and hardworking than the dull/workshy heir couple are exactly the same as those made by the infamous 都quad.  At the end of the day, the crown, or the grey men that work for it, will always protect those in the direct line above anyone else, come hell or high water. 

Joachim and Marie may feel that they致e paid their dues and only got a slap in the face in return.  I have no idea if that痴 true or not, but the fact that Marie is infinitely more popular on this board than Mary or Sofia doesn稚 change the fact that if you池e married to the spare, you have to suck it up because you池e always going to have to defer to the heir痴 spouse, whether (s)he deserves it or not.



Which claims???

That's my opinion, and others might on this thread agree. And everybody is entitled to their opinion, non?

The fact is that the decision was made for them, probably without a lot of their input, judging from their reaction and from their statement.

Marie isn't more popular than Mary on this board. But most of us see straight through Mary/Fred and their shenanigans, and how those impact everybody around them. Those who voice their opinion about her, have followed her since she rubbed Fred's chest at the infamous Slip In, and the rest is RD history.
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« Reply #239 on: October 28, 2021, 10:10:02 PM »

I get that this is not going to be a popular opinion, and I知 really trying not to stray into off topic areas, but here goes anyway

The claims that the spare couple were effectively exiled because they were so much more charming, charismatic and hardworking than the dull/workshy heir couple are exactly the same as those made by the infamous 都quad.  At the end of the day, the crown, or the grey men that work for it, will always protect those in the direct line above anyone else, come hell or high water. 

Joachim and Marie may feel that they致e paid their dues and only got a slap in the face in return.  I have no idea if that痴 true or not, but the fact that Marie is infinitely more popular on this board than Mary or Sofia doesn稚 change the fact that if you池e married to the spare, you have to suck it up because you池e always going to have to defer to the heir痴 spouse, whether (s)he deserves it or not.


Citizen, this issue is not about J&M being more popular or better than the Derfs, it is about the DRF dumping J&M in France and telling them to lump it without so much as a by your leave.

According to Marie, Joachim's attach role was a fait accompli and they had no choice but to accept it. If the DRF had told them you are no longer working royals, go do your own thing (but not any activities that could be construed as royalling) it would be one thing.

But J&M were basically cut from the working royals roster and were forced to go and do what the court decided. I'm sorry but no. If they are no longer working royals fine but that means they get their autonomy and can decide where to live and how to live.
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