Saint Sofia

[Laprincess]

In that sense, Juan Carlos has a very traditional and old-fashioned mentality with women. He was the head of the family and therefore he was the one who had the obligation to support the women in his family, and then their husbands had to do it. It was published that one of the reasons why Urdangarín got into trouble was that Juan Carlos pressured him so that his daughter and grandchildren maintained their economic status.

For example, Juan Carlos put an intermediary, a trusted military man, who was the one who made payments for Elena and her children with those credit cards. He did not give them the money directly, and in some cases they did not manage their things themselves ... they had everything done and paid for.

On more than one occasion it has been published that Juan Carlos has supported his daughters more financially than his son. When the news came out of the foundation that Juan Carlos had created in Switzerland, it was specified that if Juan Carlos died, Felipe had to manage it to ensure the future of Sofía, Elena, Cristina and the grandchildren.

This week a news item was also published about Juan Carlos and one of the children of  Infanta Pilar, and how his uncle helped him find investors for a business. Infanta Pilar was widowed relatively young and with five children, and surely Juan Carlos has helped them and has moved his influences to benefit them. Pilar's children have always created more scandals ... while Margarita's children have always been more discreet and have had more stable professional careers (probably that is the influence of Carlos Zurita).

So JC raised two useless daughters and they raised a bunch of useless kids. Felipe renounced his inheritance. Does he still have the obligation to "take care" of all the women and their kids in the family? He certainly doesn't have the money. 

[Princess MS]

In that sense, Juan Carlos has a very traditional and old-fashioned mentality with women. He was the head of the family and therefore he was the one who had the obligation to support the women in his family, and then their husbands had to do it. It was published that one of the reasons why Urdangarín got into trouble was that Juan Carlos pressured him so that his daughter and grandchildren maintained their economic status.

For example, Juan Carlos put an intermediary, a trusted military man, who was the one who made payments for Elena and her children with those credit cards. He did not give them the money directly, and in some cases they did not manage their things themselves ... they had everything done and paid for.

On more than one occasion it has been published that Juan Carlos has supported his daughters more financially than his son. When the news came out of the foundation that Juan Carlos had created in Switzerland, it was specified that if Juan Carlos died, Felipe had to manage it to ensure the future of Sofía, Elena, Cristina and the grandchildren.

This week a news item was also published about Juan Carlos and one of the children of  Infanta Pilar, and how his uncle helped him find investors for a business. Infanta Pilar was widowed relatively young and with five children, and surely Juan Carlos has helped them and has moved his influences to benefit them. Pilar's children have always created more scandals ... while Margarita's children have always been more discreet and have had more stable professional careers (probably that is the influence of Carlos Zurita).

So JC raised two useless daughters and they raised a bunch of useless kids. Felipe renounced his inheritance. Does he still have the obligation to "take care" of all the women and their kids in the family? He certainly doesn't have the money. 

Really ? Ha Ha Ha - of course there is money - lots of it .... they all do .... yep most of it "donated" - the Spanish version of Mafia

[getafix]

In that sense, Juan Carlos has a very traditional and old-fashioned mentality with women. He was the head of the family and therefore he was the one who had the obligation to support the women in his family, and then their husbands had to do it. It was published that one of the reasons why Urdangarín got into trouble was that Juan Carlos pressured him so that his daughter and grandchildren maintained their economic status.

For example, Juan Carlos put an intermediary, a trusted military man, who was the one who made payments for Elena and her children with those credit cards. He did not give them the money directly, and in some cases they did not manage their things themselves ... they had everything done and paid for.

On more than one occasion it has been published that Juan Carlos has supported his daughters more financially than his son. When the news came out of the foundation that Juan Carlos had created in Switzerland, it was specified that if Juan Carlos died, Felipe had to manage it to ensure the future of Sofía, Elena, Cristina and the grandchildren.

This week a news item was also published about Juan Carlos and one of the children of  Infanta Pilar, and how his uncle helped him find investors for a business. Infanta Pilar was widowed relatively young and with five children, and surely Juan Carlos has helped them and has moved his influences to benefit them. Pilar's children have always created more scandals ... while Margarita's children have always been more discreet and have had more stable professional careers (probably that is the influence of Carlos Zurita).

So JC raised two useless daughters and they raised a bunch of useless kids. Felipe renounced his inheritance. Does he still have the obligation to "take care" of all the women and their kids in the family? He certainly doesn't have the money. 

LAP could you tell me abt the black card incidents please. I don't know about this at all

Thx

G

[Ellie]

It's amazing Felipe turned out relatively stable. I wonder what influences he had in his life to change it. Was it being the precious boy after two girls?

[Rita]

In that sense, Juan Carlos has a very traditional and old-fashioned mentality with women. He was the head of the family and therefore he was the one who had the obligation to support the women in his family, and then their husbands had to do it. It was published that one of the reasons why Urdangarín got into trouble was that Juan Carlos pressured him so that his daughter and grandchildren maintained their economic status.

For example, Juan Carlos put an intermediary, a trusted military man, who was the one who made payments for Elena and her children with those credit cards. He did not give them the money directly, and in some cases they did not manage their things themselves ... they had everything done and paid for.

On more than one occasion it has been published that Juan Carlos has supported his daughters more financially than his son. When the news came out of the foundation that Juan Carlos had created in Switzerland, it was specified that if Juan Carlos died, Felipe had to manage it to ensure the future of Sofía, Elena, Cristina and the grandchildren.

This week a news item was also published about Juan Carlos and one of the children of  Infanta Pilar, and how his uncle helped him find investors for a business. Infanta Pilar was widowed relatively young and with five children, and surely Juan Carlos has helped them and has moved his influences to benefit them. Pilar's children have always created more scandals ... while Margarita's children have always been more discreet and have had more stable professional careers (probably that is the influence of Carlos Zurita).

So JC raised two useless daughters and they raised a bunch of useless kids. Felipe renounced his inheritance. Does he still have the obligation to "take care" of all the women and their kids in the family? He certainly doesn't have the money. 

Really ? Ha Ha Ha - of course there is money - lots of it .... they all do .... yep most of it "donated" - the Spanish version of Mafia

Ameen to that
i like Felipe i really do,but come on let's be serious all those royals around the world without exception do kkow how to keep a safe account some where 

[Laprincess]

LAP could you tell me abt the black card incidents please. I don't know about this at all

Thx

G

I don't have time to search articles for details right now so this is just the sketch of the scandal: JC, Sofia, Elena (?), Froilan and Victoria were found to use credit cards that were not in their own name and the bills were paid every month by an aid and JC's cousin who also funded JC's travels through the year. The source of the funds is unclear and it's widely suspected as money laundering and tax evasion. JC probably hid his fortune with various people and these people paid his expenses with the money. Sofia and other family members were found to use the same credit card to pay for their living expenses. None of them declared the payments as income and paid taxes on it.

Last month, JC's attorney delivered a 6-figure check to Spain's Treasury to settle all associated back taxes, interests and penalty on behalf of Sofia and other family members. Spain's prosecutor(?) has been investigating. This is just 1 of 3 financial scandals involving JC. But this scandal also implicates Sofia and other family members. It's not clear whether the payment settled all potential charges against Sofia and other family members.

The only Borbon branch that's clear of the scandal? Felipe and his family.

[Laprincess]

It's amazing Felipe turned out relatively stable. I wonder what influences he had in his life to change it. Was it being the precious boy after two girls?

He left home early. He spent considerable time away from home since his teenage years. First, he went to Canada for a year in high school. Then he spent 3 years in 3 military academies and 2 years in Georgetown University. Additionally, since he's the heir, he's surrounded by advisors since he's relatively young. Some were his teachers/professors. Some were statesmen picked by JC. Felipe wasn't raised by a grade-school-teacher-turned-secretary like his sisters were. Plus, he married a commoner/journalist who knows the real world and is politically savvy. His wife also supposedly "alienated" him from his family.

And more importantly, it may just comes down to character. Felipe is made of sterner stuff.

[getafix]

LAP thx

G

[dKaren]

It's amazing Felipe turned out relatively stable. I wonder what influences he had in his life to change it. Was it being the precious boy after two girls?

The period being investigated was 2014-2018 after JC abdicated. Felipe has already been the King. I'm sure he was not stupid enough to use his father's black cards, nor did he need to. Sofia and Elena (after divorce) have always been living on JC. Sofia traveled a Lot with her sister, Elena needs to maintain her private home and horses.  Sofia's royal stipend or Elena's private job salary simply can't maintain their living standard they have been accustomed to.