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« Reply #135 on: March 12, 2021, 12:47:28 PM »

I must say it is interesting to see back then that catholics did see her as their princess. Very interesting pov.
Well for Americans she might have been viewed in that manner. However as we know, Grace was not the only American woman to marry into a reigning or non-reigning imperial, royal or princely family. Likewise Grace was the consort in a mostly Roman Catholic nation like her peers in Belgium, Spain, Luxembourg, and Lichtenstein.
Do you have to be Roman Catholic to marry into those familes?
I think it's generally expected.  Sofia converted from Greek Orthodox to marry JC, just as Mary converted from Presbyterian to Lutheran to marry Fred.

The only person I can remember keeping her own faith is Maxima, although of course her husband and daughters don't share it.
Who knows like Maxima you can keep your own faith I guess. Depends on the person.

IMO it's that in the 21st century, the Dutch are very accepting of people choosing to keep their own faith and it likely helped that Maxima agreed to have their children raised as in the Reformed Church. I believe that more than one of the Margriet's daughters-in-law are Catholic but then again they're not as close to the throne.

Several years back in time, this would have caused uproar among part of the Dutch population. As to my knowledge two aunts of Willem Alexander converted to Catholism (Irene and Christina). Especially the Irene case caused much uproar.


"...On January 3, 1964, Irene was renamed a member of the Roman Catholic Church in Rome (in the inner chapel of Saint Paul Outside the Walls) by the Utrecht cardinal Alfrink, without making any publicity about it. When it became known at the end of that month that the princess had become a Roman Catholic, the court declared that this was a strictly personal matter and should not be viewed politically. The switch to the Roman Catholic Church was criticized by Protestants...."

"..Although Dutch law did not forbid a Catholic to reign over the Netherlands, Protestant succession was traditional, born out of the 16th-century Eighty Years' War with Spain and the assassination of Willem van Oranje by a supporter of Philip II of Spain who believed William had betrayed both the Spanish monarch and the Catholic Church. By the middle of the 20th century religious attitudes had begun to change, but only very slowly. While members of the Roman Catholic Church accounted for approximately 34 percent of the Dutch population, and Catholic political parties had been in coalition governments since 1918, the high fertility rate of the Catholics was a matter of some concern for all non-Catholics..."


"....Soon after the re-baptism, Irene's engagement was announced to the Roman Catholic Carlos Hugo of Bourbon-Parma, a Frenchman of Spanish descent. Carlos Hugo was a controversial pretender to the Spanish throne at the time and the leader of the Carlists. Prime Minister Victor Marijnen (KVP) and Ministers Barend Biesheuvel (ARP), Ynso Scholten (CHU) and Edzo Toxopeus (VVD) asked during a nightly meeting at Soestdijk Palace Carlos Hugo the question: did he want to claim his claim prior to the wedding? withdraw the Spanish throne and resign as leader of the Carlists? Carlos Hugo replied in the negative, to which the foursome made it clear that in that case the cabinet did not want to give legal permission for the marriage, which meant that although they could be married, Irene would lose her rights to the Dutch throne. Irene then decided not to request permission from the States General for her intended marriage and married on April 29, 1964 in Rome, in the basilica of Santa Maria Maggiore, without the presence of the Dutch cabinet and members of the Royal House. The wedding ceremony included Zita, the last empress of Austria. The religious wedding was performed by Cardinal Giobbe. That same day, Pope Paul VI received the couple for an audience..."


"....No one from the Dutch Royal family or any Dutch diplomatic representative attended the marriage of Princess Irene and Prince Carlos Hugo in the Borghese Chapel at the Basilica di Santa Maria Maggiore in Rome, Italy, on 29 April 1964. There were also no representatives of Spain's Franco government at the ceremony; the couple chose Rome as the site of their nuptials because of its neutrality...."
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« Reply #136 on: March 12, 2021, 04:41:09 PM »

"Grace put all her energies into her duties as wife, mother, The Red Cross and other charities.. Her two daughters did everything to break her heart, while she tuned a blind eye to her son's indiscretions. She was desperately unhappy towards the tragic end of her life at 52."

- This is quite sad.
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« Reply #137 on: March 16, 2021, 11:18:25 PM »


A close case happened with Prince Albert Christian, Duke of Avondale and Teviotdale, the almost groom of Queen Mary, eldest brother of the then George V, ..
Clarence.. Albert was Duke of Clarence and Avondale...
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« Reply #138 on: March 17, 2021, 11:03:06 AM »


A close case happened with Prince Albert Christian, Duke of Avondale and Teviotdale, the almost groom of Queen Mary, eldest brother of the then George V, ..
Clarence.. Albert was Duke of Clarence and Avondale...

What the heck is Teviotdale??

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ooooh wait, probably this one in Scotland: Teviotdale, a traditional province closely equivalent to Roxburghshire. And Teviotdale is linked to the title of Duke of Cumberland: Duke of Cumberland and Teviotdale was a title in the Peerage of Great Britain that was held by junior members of the British Royal Family, named after the county of Cumberland, England and after Teviotdale, Scotland. Held by the Hanoverian royals, it was suspended under the Titles Deprivation Act 1917, which revoked titles belonging to enemies of the United Kingdom during the Great War. It seems, Ernest Augustus, Crown Prince of Hanover, 3rd Duke of Cumberland and Teviotdale (German: Ernst August; 21 September 1845 – 14 November 1923), was the last one to hild these titles.
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« Reply #139 on: March 17, 2021, 11:06:26 AM »

A small principality next to Monaco
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« Reply #140 on: March 17, 2021, 11:06:59 AM »

A small principality next to Monaco

Also on Antartica; Mars; Venus or similar?? Whistle
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« Reply #141 on: March 17, 2021, 11:11:11 AM »

Duke of Clarence is a substantive title which has been traditionally awarded to junior members of the British Royal Family. All three creations were in the Peerage of England.Two double dukedoms, of Clarence and St Andrews and of Clarence and Avondale, were later created for British royal princes. The title also took the form of an earldom for Queen Victoria's son Prince Leopold, Duke of Albany, and his son Prince Charles Edward, the Clarence earldom being a subsidiary title. The title was first created for Lionel, a younger son of King Edward III who in 1352 had married Elizabeth de Burgh, 4th Countess of Ulster, the sole heiress via a female line of Gilbert de Clare, 8th Earl of Gloucester. The name Clarence referred to the feudal barony of Clare in Suffolk, and as the holder of it (and others) by right of his wife Lionel was given that title. The second and third creations were in respectively 1412 and 1461

Similar titles:
Duke of Clarence and St Andrews (1789)
- William IV (1765–1837), who became king in 1830, at which point the title merged with the Crown
Earls of Clarence (1881)
- The Prince Leopold, 1st Duke of Albany, 1st Earl of Clarence & 1st Baron Arklow (1853–1884), fourth son of Queen Victoria.
- Charles Edward, Duke of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, 2nd Duke of Albany, 2nd Earl of Clarence & 2nd Baron Arklow (1884–1954), posthumous son of the 1st Earl, had his British titles suspended in 1919 for waging war against Britain.
Duke of Clarence and Avondale (1890)
- Prince Albert Victor, 1st Duke of Clarence and Avondale (1864–1892)
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« Reply #142 on: March 17, 2021, 11:13:17 AM »

Could be Mars, we should ask Elon Musk...
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« Reply #143 on: March 17, 2021, 11:15:18 AM »

Could be Mars, we should ask Elon Musk...

But if Monaco is female, wouldn't it be Venus instead of Mars?  Thinking
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« Reply #144 on: March 17, 2021, 11:40:24 AM »

"Grace put all her energies into her duties as wife, mother, The Red Cross and other charities.. Her two daughters did everything to break her heart, while she tuned a blind eye to her son's indiscretions. She was desperately unhappy towards the tragic end of her life at 52."

- This is quite sad.

My mother put all energies into her family and husband.... most women of that era did ....
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« Reply #145 on: March 17, 2021, 12:44:55 PM »

"Grace put all her energies into her duties as wife, mother, The Red Cross and other charities.. Her two daughters did everything to break her heart, while she tuned a blind eye to her son's indiscretions. She was desperately unhappy towards the tragic end of her life at 52."

- This is quite sad.

My mother put all energies into her family and husband.... most women of that era did ....
But why were Caroline and Stephanie trying to break her heart?
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« Reply #146 on: March 17, 2021, 01:11:38 PM »

I thought Avondale was in Canda Secret
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« Reply #147 on: March 17, 2021, 01:17:25 PM »

I thought Avondale was in Canda Secret

There is one in Australia.... I think it is associated with a religious group... but not Catholic and not with any Monaco associations
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« Reply #148 on: March 17, 2021, 01:21:19 PM »

I thought Avondale was in Canda Secret

According to good old Wikipedia for Albert Victor “‘Clarence' is believed to refer to Clare in Suffolk; 'Avondale' refers to the valley of the Avon Water in Scotland.”
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« Reply #149 on: March 17, 2021, 01:25:06 PM »

I thought Avondale was in Canda Secret

According to good old Wikipedia for Albert Victor “‘Clarence' is believed to refer to Clare in Suffolk; 'Avondale' refers to the valley of the Avon Water in Scotland.”


If that water is a euphemism for scotch then point me in the direction 🥤🥤
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